YesNOnoNOYes
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forgive me. you are absolutely right.
Varys > ALL <3
btw your avatar *____* i loooooooooooooooove that movie
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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 4 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]
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forgive me. you are absolutely right.
Varys > ALL <3
btw your avatar *____* i loooooooooooooooove that movie
Vire
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Yeah, I meant his hubris being his downfall being cliche, not the head exploding bit. It reminded me of the overly long monologue villains give right before they are about to kill the hero, only to have the tables turned on them at the last moment because they were too busy giving a stupid ass speech.
I've just seen this kind of thing a thousand times before and frankly - it's just lazy writing.
EDIT: That being said, I don't want to be too negative on this episode because as I mentioned in my previous post, I really enjoyed Sansa's scene.
Brofist
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I wouldn't dispute any of that, but the original point still stands. There is no way he got his right hand under him after tripping him to the ground with that same hand. On reviewing it on the YouTube clip it's obvious that it's a weird cut. Could have been made to be a bit smoother in transition.
tycoonheart
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Let what slide? Oberyn chose to be Tyrion's champion. And was killed because of it. His death was as fair as it could be in GoT universe.
Nameless
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weremichael
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You have odd tastes, YesNO...
Lol. I really hope that guy can switch back to his old face.
YesNOnoNOYes
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You have odd tastes, YesNO...
THE FIRST ONE
XD you always crack me up, you silly person <3
EDIT: this one this one
Monocle
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Yeah who can blame him for learning to change his face when he looks like that? So would I tbh.
rofl
Yeah, at what point does this show think it reaches taboo? What if Brienne had been Tyrion's champion?
YesNOnoNOYes
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missandei's boobs in last episode... thoughhh <333333333
she's flaaawlesssss *____* i can stare at her all day long *____*
DONT ENCOURAGE IT, monocle!
I can't even watch this because of the screaming in the background.
What happened isn't really comparable to those villain monologues, though. It'd be lazy writing if he randomly began dropping a rant right as he was on the verge of finishing the Mountain off, sure, but that's not how the fight was written. From the outset, we knew Oberyn wanted a confession. We knew his intentions, we knew he wanted a sense of certainty, we knew his vision of what justice/proper revenge would look like. Throughout the entire encounter, there's a steady rhythm of him asking for a confession and building up injuries on the Mountain, the former escalating into a clear rage and the latter into a spear in the chest. At his most emotional, Oberyn briefly let his guard down, blatantly underestimating how much the Mountain still had left in him. One mistake, one opening, and we saw the result. That's not somehow an inherently lazy scenario.
I also don't get why so many are acting like the desire for a confession was somehow secondary. If he simply wanted to kill the Mountain, he would have. Nor do I understand why it's apparently so odd that, yeah, Oberyn was the more emotional, less focused participant in this encounter. I have a feeling it's mostly a matter that people really, really wanted Oberyn to live, and simply can't see past the fact that he could have lived had things gone slightly differently.
FunkyMunkey
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Agreed. Not only that, but he wanted a direct implication to Tywin, even pointing his polearm at him while screaming.
This is the big one here. We lose lots of great characters but I'm expecting it to be a churn by this point.
We get a new character, charismatic actor, fun to watch, and I begin to feel the bitter taste of Momma and Brother Stark dying last season, then they fucking destroy Oberyn before this season even ends. Its like JESUS fucking Christ. At some point I expect them to let a good guy live just to throw us off a bit, but nope.
Just killem all. And now it looks like Tyrion is gone too? I mean fuck me dude. Bring on the white walkers. Fuck all of it. Fuck it all.
MisterGrey3000
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Yeah.
She's very pretty. I loved her hair in the latest episode.
Greyworm's actor is pretty cute too.
at this point i'm just watching for the white walkers come in and fuck everything up. after tyrion's gone i have no character that i like on this.
edit: i actually don't know if tyrion's gonna die, i'm just assuming because of this ep. but as they say, hope is the last thing to die.
edit: i actually don't know if tyrion's gonna die, i'm just assuming because of this ep. but as they say, hope is the last thing to die.
Vire
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Yeah, I do understand the rational behind why he wanted the confession, so I guess it is slightly better than the aforementioned villain monologues. But I still wasn't particularly satisfied with how it played out. That being said, you are correct in that me wanting Oberyn to live probably plays a part in being salty about the whole ordeal.
They need to put the spoiler thread in community....
Nameless
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Spartacus was more violent and had more sex.
I think I'll stay away from that then. I think I've reached my boundary of over the top deaths.
Yeah I'm almost ready for the white walkers to just end this shit. Arya, Daenerys and Tyrion are my favorites now but I'm not expecting any of them to make it out of this meat grinder of a show alive.
No, there is one.
Steelyuhas
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Content Roundup: The Mountain and the Viper
Reviews and Recaps:
AV Club (newbies)
Alan Sepinwall (Hitfix) Review
Andy Greenwald (Grantland) Recap
Rolling Stone Recap
IGN Review
TIME Recap
The Guardian Recap
James Hibberd (EW) Recap
Washington Post Recap
Huffington Post Reecap
The Hollywood Reporter Recap
WiC.net Recap (Unsullied)
HBO Content:
HBO Viewers Guide
Inside the Episode
"Learning the Moves" Behind the Scenes of the Trial by Combat
"A Different Purpose" Sansa's Transformation
"From the First" Jorah's Betrayal
Interview with Ian Glen
Clip: Sansa's Testimony
Clip: Dany confronts Jorah
"The Watchers on the Wall" Preview
Interviews:
Director Alex Graves talks filming the fight
Stars talk brutal fight
Pedro Pascal talks Oberyn's revenge and preparing for the Trial by Combat
Emilia Clarke talks harsh break up
Pedro Pascal
Ratings: Matches series high at 7.2M
The post will be linked in the OP.
Stevetopsy
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I know everyone's still reeling from Oberyn, me included, but i'm sitting here rewatching and the scene where Daenarys exiles Jorah came on. Anyone think she overacted a tad? I mean jesus, I could see never allowing him to be alone with her again, but totally kicking him out? I hate when characters don't speak as plainly as they should in situations that count.
Jorah should have said something like "listen, I was given a way to earn a royal pardon by spying on a girl I didn't even know at the time, you. After spending time with you, I dedicated my life to serving you because I believe in you. I suspected what they're plans were, saved your life, and have never looked back." Even with the way it was in the show, if i'm Jorah and I know i'm getting exiled, I would have atleast gone out with something like "okay, but just remember that long streatch of time where it was just me and you, and the many times I guarded and saved your life and guided you. I was with you before the dragons and before the armies. Either i'm your loyal servant, or this is the most drawn out assassination attempt in history."
We all knew that pardon was going to screw things up sooner or later for him. Jorah just can't catch a break.
Jorah should have said something like "listen, I was given a way to earn a royal pardon by spying on a girl I didn't even know at the time, you. After spending time with you, I dedicated my life to serving you because I believe in you. I suspected what they're plans were, saved your life, and have never looked back." Even with the way it was in the show, if i'm Jorah and I know i'm getting exiled, I would have atleast gone out with something like "okay, but just remember that long streatch of time where it was just me and you, and the many times I guarded and saved your life and guided you. I was with you before the dragons and before the armies. Either i'm your loyal servant, or this is the most drawn out assassination attempt in history."
We all knew that pardon was going to screw things up sooner or later for him. Jorah just can't catch a break.
Intheflorsh
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I'm very excited for next weeks episode. Blackwater was excellent and the show could really do with another one location episode.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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Nose Master
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He's lucky he got away with his life. To learn someone who you've trusted that long was (even a former) spy is pretty inexcusable.
Yeah I thought she overreacted and it'll come back to bite her in the butt down the line. I felt bad for Jorah and once again Tywin sets a plan in motion that will no doubt work to his advantage.
damn. Just saw the episode. That was one of the most gruesome deaths I've seen. Almost makes me sick.
But holy shit. I knew it was up in the air. The key I think to why this sort of thing is so impactful is that as soon as the viewer might get some sort of satisfaction, some sense of gratification, it is ripped out from you.
The thing about writing is that anything is predictable, or you could say that everything has been done before. But with George R.R. Martin you know it could go either way. And when it finally comes down to it, it still hits you like a sack of bricks.
Anyway, crazy episode, and I'm gonna go dip my head in a river in hopes that I can get that blasted crushed skull out of my mind.
But holy shit. I knew it was up in the air. The key I think to why this sort of thing is so impactful is that as soon as the viewer might get some sort of satisfaction, some sense of gratification, it is ripped out from you.
The thing about writing is that anything is predictable, or you could say that everything has been done before. But with George R.R. Martin you know it could go either way. And when it finally comes down to it, it still hits you like a sack of bricks.
Anyway, crazy episode, and I'm gonna go dip my head in a river in hopes that I can get that blasted crushed skull out of my mind.
Stevetopsy
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I hear ya, but wouldn't Selmy most likely still be fighting for the crown/lannisters if he had not been forced into retirement? I know he was a leftover from the Mad King but still. And like Jorah said, Daario just up and killed his old masters when he got tired of following orders.
Everyone's honor can be brought into question in some way. I could see if he was spying on Daenarys Stormborn, Mother of Dragons, Breaker of Chains, and her plans to retake Westeros... but he was spying on a girl who had nothing, no power or plans, who no one knew or cared about, who was being married to some Khal in the desert.
Not to mention that the man standing next to her, Barristan Selmy, was a member of the kings guard - switched his loyalties from the Targareyns to the Baratheons and then to the Lannisters - and only joined Dany after he was stripped of his title and he left in outrage(rightfully so) but in the eyes of dany should probably be questioned in his loyalty just as much as Jorah. If not more so.
And at least in Jorah's case, as you said, he proved his loyalty over time and when put to the test chose her. Which she can't say about Barristan.
Frankly I can still see Dany shunning him but I thought it was executed poorly and was written in a way that made it difficult to accept logically. Frankly I think her acting in this instance was a reflection of a poorly written scene.
Boogalogist
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This....Dany was pretty damn lenient to exile Jorah instead of outright beheading him.
BeforeU
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I have see Spartacus, it is more violent but I can watch 10 people die fighting compare to 1 important character that grew on me. That too a brutal death. Spartacus never moved me in a way Game Of Thrones did many times now.
The dude really can't catch a break. He had an expensive wife, had to sell slaves to afford it, and got exiled as a result. Then after he met a khaleesi, he let go the chance of being pardoned only to get friendzoned, and then got caught in one of Tywin's stratagems and exiled the second time.
I wonder if it's the last of Jorah we'll see.
Benzychenz
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I'm still shaken up from that ending.
I don't think Tyrion is going to die next week though. Either Jaime helps him escape or they're rudely interrupted by Stannis.
Might be wishful thinking on my part though seeing as him and Arya are the only characters left I'm rooting for...
I don't think Tyrion is going to die next week though. Either Jaime helps him escape or they're rudely interrupted by Stannis.
Might be wishful thinking on my part though seeing as him and Arya are the only characters left I'm rooting for...
BurnOutBrighter
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This Grey Worm/Missandei romance ais the most awkward thing. All he's known is to be a silent soldier so it's like he has to get permission to say anything.
Are they really setting up a twist that the Unsullied still have dicks or some kind of working sexual parts? Surely them bathing in range of each other would settle that...
Are they really setting up a twist that the Unsullied still have dicks or some kind of working sexual parts? Surely them bathing in range of each other would settle that...
Stevetopsy
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I hope not. His voiceovers in the teaser trailers for each season are always the best lines. "There is a beast in every man..." "There's good and evil on both sides of every war fought"
My guess is he stalks around and protects her from afar and somewhere mid season 5 makes a dramatic save and is put back in her good graces. Something tells me that's too happy for this show, so they'll probably just ride past his rotting corpse in the desert one day.
I don't care if the Unsullied still have 8 foot dicks, part of their entire badassery is the fact that they're stone cold soldiers with a single purpose. Now he's gonna fuckin' simp on that girl, Unsullied will become weak, and Dany will fall.... Maybe it's for the best then.
edit: Anyone else thinking that Stannis is going to team up with the Boltons? "Hey, I'll help you fight the walkers, you help me take King's Landing afterwards."
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