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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 5 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]
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so now that Jon this season has ascended to king badass of the good guys (lord commander, killed a WW) how do they frustrate all viewers and kill him off?
olly food poison?
ramsay archery practice?
another crow stabs him in the back?
Drogo eats him?
Melisandre does a reverse shadow and sucks Jon into her womb?
Wun Wun steps on him by accident?
olly food poison?
ramsay archery practice?
another crow stabs him in the back?
Drogo eats him?
Melisandre does a reverse shadow and sucks Jon into her womb?
Wun Wun steps on him by accident?
Freedom = $1.05
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I know that people feel that anyone can die at any time in this show but it seems like Dany, Jon, Tyrion, and the rest of the Stark kids seems like they're invincible. The only exception might be Arya since the very virtue of being an assassin puts her in harms way too often.
Sam is the Slayer Westeros needs.
LonelyGreyWolf
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This is the most likely one.
I agree with dany and jon having plot armor, the others not so much.
LonelyGreyWolf
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Agreed 100%.
SolidusDave
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According to Martin, it was passed down to Tommen. Though last time we saw it on the show...
Well fuck...
Winter comes
White Walkers win
Invade King's Landing
Raise the dead
Zombie-Joffrey stabs himself with Valyrian steel
Shatters
(actually it didn't seem to do anything special with the Zombies)
He is a kid. They aren't exactly known for thinking things through.
Same, The only two characters i'd say have 100% effective plot armor, are those two.
Jon is clearly the underdog hero (with MarySue-ish traits) à là Luke Skywalker.
Daenerys shares similar traits, as she also rose from 0 power, but more importantly, she has the damn dragons, and is clearly the other side of the coin.
LonelyGreyWolf
Banned
Imo the biggest reason why Dany has plot armor is that if she were to die now, aaaaaaall the time spent on building her story for five seasons would've been for nothing, as it never connected with the rest of the world in any even remotely significant way.
SolidusDave
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Did we ever see what happens if you hit a White Walker with a normal weapon?
The WW guy still made the effort of evading attacks.
Jon had so much plot armor though, WW grabs him from behind and even uses the blunt end of his weapon...
btw armor looked cool, almost futuristic. Though weird that it shattered with him (but not his weapon)
The way they disintegrate and don't talk etc make me think it's just really that crown-head-guy and his ice puppets.
Really hope we get to learn a lot about their lore. They are smart enough to form battle plans etc. so they must have some sort of society? And all are old white-haired dudes. Maybe some ancient Targaryens kings à la LotR
The WW guy still made the effort of evading attacks.
Jon had so much plot armor though, WW grabs him from behind and even uses the blunt end of his weapon...
btw armor looked cool, almost futuristic. Though weird that it shattered with him (but not his weapon)
The way they disintegrate and don't talk etc make me think it's just really that crown-head-guy and his ice puppets.
Really hope we get to learn a lot about their lore. They are smart enough to form battle plans etc. so they must have some sort of society? And all are old white-haired dudes. Maybe some ancient Targaryens kings à la LotR
LegendofDragoonLives
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They have it until the final season. Then it's a fair game, at least I hope it is with Danny
lol
Yeah, stuff like that always bothers me. The villain could have stabbed him right in the back, but instead toys around with him as if he's playing and having fun. That could be okay as long as you've setup a villain to be like that, but so far, they've made these White Walkers out to be all about business to where it seems like they would just kill as quickly and as efficiently as possible.
not really... they also passed on 2 opportunities to kill sam
oh, and the deserter in the pilot
Yeah I agree. Not that it couldn't happen but there do seem to be little things that suggest he'll be around for a while yet. None of them mean much on their own but together suggest there's more to do with Jon. Him and Melisandre, Sansa just finding out he's still alive, just the way the White Walkers were eyeing him suggests some sort of foreshadowing. Of course that doesn't mean the show won't kill him now - but it leaves a lot of things sort of hanging with, as you say, no-one really to fill the gap. Who leads the Crows? Or the Wildlings for that matter?
Big ego's, what you gonna do.
Freedom = $1.05
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I think this is what separates the WWs from their grunt zombies: They think, have personalities, have egos. They're sentient beings with some form of awareness, unlike the running grunts who just singlemindedly killing and wrecking everyone.
You're assuming the White Walkers want Jon dead. We don't know what their ultimate plan is yet.
lastplayed
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White Walker vs Ringwraith. Now that I'd like to see.
show me your skeleton
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aye, utterly pointless.
jon could, upon his return, perhaps die because it would have been a viewpoint on how fucked things are in regards to the white walkers. that could have been the point of his story over and done with.
i don't think it will happen like that though.
poppabk
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I think he was trying with him. As far as either were aware the only thing that kill the whitewalker was the Dragon glass that he was keeping him away from. I mean the white walker king was within valerian steel arrow range when he did his 'come at me crow' move. They are rightfully a bit cocky considering they hold nearly all the cards.
Would someone be able to give me a quick rundown of the evidence for Jon being of Targaeryen descent? First I'm hearing of that theory (though my reading about the show is restricted to this thread alone). Haven't read the books but cobbled this bit from my murky memory, would be keen to know what I'm missing (from just the show itself of course):
1) Several characters remark that Ned fathering a bastard is highly uncharacteristic.
2) Ned's line from S1: "You may not have my name, but you have my blood" is kind of jumping out at me now as a possible indicator (could have said "..but you are my son" or something along those lines.
3) Melisandre taking an interest with royal blood being her jam.
4) Makes sense that Lyanna would become pregnant while Rhaegar's prisoner (unsure how long that was).
What am I missing? Definitely within Ned's character to fall on the sword so to speak to protect Jon's identity at the cost of his own honor.
I've also had this nagging feeling after Ramsay was legitimized by Roose. Why wouldn't Ned have done the same for Jon? Figured at first it was due to Cat's unwillingness to accept him but thinking about it now, perhaps it's because Ned knows Jon isn't his son and would rightfully be a Targaeryen anyway?
1) Several characters remark that Ned fathering a bastard is highly uncharacteristic.
2) Ned's line from S1: "You may not have my name, but you have my blood" is kind of jumping out at me now as a possible indicator (could have said "..but you are my son" or something along those lines.
3) Melisandre taking an interest with royal blood being her jam.
4) Makes sense that Lyanna would become pregnant while Rhaegar's prisoner (unsure how long that was).
What am I missing? Definitely within Ned's character to fall on the sword so to speak to protect Jon's identity at the cost of his own honor.
I've also had this nagging feeling after Ramsay was legitimized by Roose. Why wouldn't Ned have done the same for Jon? Figured at first it was due to Cat's unwillingness to accept him but thinking about it now, perhaps it's because Ned knows Jon isn't his son and would rightfully be a Targaeryen anyway?
the nights watch targaeryan guy talking about another taergaryan relative to Sam and the totally conspicuous cut to Jon interrupting them.
I think they want him dead for sure. Dude was going to lop his head off it if hadn't been for that sword.
Forget which episode, but both littlefinger and selmy talked about Rhaegar and about how the tales of him were exaggerated. From the sounds of it, he loved Lyanna and was a kind man. Not the type of person to kidnap and rape a woman. So if he's not the type of person to kidnap and rape Lyanna, then she must of come willingly, and they could of conceived during that time.
Robert Baratheon wasn't a good or smart man. I could easily of seen him getting jealous and/or jumping to the conclusion that she was kidnapped.
Pankratous
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Anyone think the head honcho Walker was going to part the sea Moses style when he raised his arms?
I thought he was going to freeze it.
LonelyGreyWolf
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I thought he was going to freeze the water, but then I realized that this would make him OP.
EDIT: ^ We think alike.
EDIT: ^ We think alike.
HBO nerf pls.
Oh shit. Must've missed this, was this when he was on his death bed or prior?
I only remember Barriston recalling how Rhaegar liked to go down and sing for the people in King's Landing. That aside, gonna have to go back and check for when LF brings him up too. Dig the theory and it's starting to come together for sure.
Off-topic: The Sand Snakes' surnames looks to be Sand, am I right in thinking this is the bastard name for those born in Dorne? Anyone know what the others might be? Snow, Sand, seeing a pattern but don't think they've brought up other kingdoms.
from the wiki, which focuses on the show, but will spoiler just in case:
Flowers: The Reach
Hill: The Westerlands
Pyke: Iron Islands
Rivers: The Riverlands
Sand: Dorne
Snow: The North
Stone: The Vale of Arryn
Storm: The Stormlands
Waters: The Crownlands
Hill: The Westerlands
Pyke: Iron Islands
Rivers: The Riverlands
Sand: Dorne
Snow: The North
Stone: The Vale of Arryn
Storm: The Stormlands
Waters: The Crownlands
UnObtainium17
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I'm hoping Jon Snow really has a Targaryen blood in him.. how fuckin awesome can that be. If I were to write the end game of this show it will be Dany and her army + dragons vs. Jon Stark-Targaryens northern army + white walkers.
I'm not sure the white-walkers want JS dead either. Looking back, it was kinda weird that the mini boss WW Jon faced hit him with the butt of his sword. (Thenn dude got implaed the moment he was open for attack.) He could have easily stabbed our boy Jon right there. Then jon recovered and threw punches, but the WW threw him to the ground instead of using the sword.. like wtf. how many chance would you give JS to kill you... then the WW swung his sword to JS (after JS got his longclaw back), I think the WW did it expecting that it will shatter the longclaw. (You gotta first disarm the person you want to capture) But it didnt and you can tell the WW was surprised the longclaw stood the swing so JS parried him like a baws.
So yeah.. I'm open to the idea of WW army wanting JS alive.. But fuckin why? So the light freaks don't get to him? or they know that a blood vial from JS will give them +100000x resistance to fire? probably not what is in GRRMs mind but interesting angle to me nonetheless.
I'm not sure the white-walkers want JS dead either. Looking back, it was kinda weird that the mini boss WW Jon faced hit him with the butt of his sword. (Thenn dude got implaed the moment he was open for attack.) He could have easily stabbed our boy Jon right there. Then jon recovered and threw punches, but the WW threw him to the ground instead of using the sword.. like wtf. how many chance would you give JS to kill you... then the WW swung his sword to JS (after JS got his longclaw back), I think the WW did it expecting that it will shatter the longclaw. (You gotta first disarm the person you want to capture) But it didnt and you can tell the WW was surprised the longclaw stood the swing so JS parried him like a baws.
So yeah.. I'm open to the idea of WW army wanting JS alive.. But fuckin why? So the light freaks don't get to him? or they know that a blood vial from JS will give them +100000x resistance to fire? probably not what is in GRRMs mind but interesting angle to me nonetheless.
I never noticed this before, but... I WAS PROMISED 7 KINGDOMS, NOT 9
D
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I'm pretty sure they want him and the rest of humanity as part of their undead army. The WW Jon killed wasn't expecting to be on the losing end of that fight.
ComputerBlue
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Is there anyone alive that we know about that could confirm Jon's true bloodline?
Benjen might know if he's still alive, anyone else?
Benjen might know if he's still alive, anyone else?
I thought they let them go intentionally. Like a show of power and to induce fear. Definitely felt like a stand off, show off moment for the white walkers leader.
I think that was just choreography intended to prolong the fight. I don't think you can read too much into that either way. I suppose it's possible conceptually though. Can the White Walkers turn adults like they can babies?
YesNOnoNOYes
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Woh. That's interesting. Maybe it can be done but only at the altar thing?
Ned wouldn't have told anyone else a secret that big.
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