Game of Thrones |OT| *UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Season 4 Offseason Thread

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Game of Thrones is a television series on HBO based on the best selling A Song of Ice and Fire series by George R.R. Martin. Game of Thrones is an epic, high fantasy series about the fight for control of Westeros which was inspired by The War of the Roses in medieval Europe. Though it's been labeled as fantasy, Game of Thrones is more about the struggle for power and family dynamics than it is about typical fantasy tropes like magic and elves. As co-producer and writer David Benioff put it: “If you have to just pick one word to describe it, it’s the word ‘power’ and how it affects those who are pursuing it, and how those who already have it try to retain it, and how those who are caught in the crossfire between the two are mutilated in the process.” In addition to complex characters living in a well thought out and developed world, the story boasts plenty of violence, sex, and other adult oriented content.

The fourth season will return in the spring of 2014.

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Cast
The section below will feature new cast members from Season 4 as well as returning cast members that weren’t present in Season 3. To see the full cast for the first three seasons, check out WiC.net's cast page and HBO’s cast page.

New Characters
Pedro Pascal (Oberyn Martell), Mark Gatiss (Tycho Nestoris), Indira Varma (Ellaria Sand), Roger Ashton-Griffiths (Mace Tyrell), Joseph Gatt (???), Elizabeth Webster (Walda Frey)
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Rupert Vansittart (Yohn Royce)
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Returning Characters not present in Season 3
Kate Dickie (Lysa Arryn), Dominic Carter (Janos Slynt), Owen Teale (Alliser Thorne), Andy Beckwith (Rorge), Tony Way (Dontos Hollard)
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Recasts
Hafþór “Thor” Björnsson (Gergor Clegane), Michiel Huisman (Daario Naharis), Dean-Charles Chapman (Tommen Baratheon)*
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*The Tommen recast has not been confirmed by HBO, but WiC says it's a sure thing.


Crew
The writing staff for the show includes David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, Bryan Cogman, and George R.R. Martin. Vanessa Taylor wrote on Seasons 2 and 3, but will not return for Season 4. Bryan Cogman has stated that he’s writing two episodes for Season 4 (he’s written a single episode for each of the first three seasons). The directors for Season 4 are David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, Alex Graves, Michelle MacLaren, Alik Sakharov, and Neil Marshall. What episodes the writers and directors are responsible for can be found in the "Schedule" section.

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Season 4
Game of Thrones returns for its fourth season in Spring 2014. The season will once again consist of 10 episodes. The fourth season will cover roughly the second half of A Storm of Swords.

Episodes

401: Two Swords (Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, Directed by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss)
402: The Lion and the Rose (Written by George R.R. Martin, Directed by Alex Graves)
403: Breaker of Chains (Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, Directed by Alex Graves)
404: Oathkeeper (Written by Bryan Cogman, Directed by Michelle MacLaren)
405: First of His Name (Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, Directed by Michelle MacLaren)
406: (Written by Bryan Cogman, Directed by Alik Sakharov)
407: (Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, Directed by Alik Sakharov)
408: (Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, Directed by Alex Graves)
409: (Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, Directed by Neil Marshall)
410: (Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, Directed by Alex Graves)

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Trailers & Promos

  • Trailers and Promos will be posted here

Clips

  • Clips from Season 4 will be posted here

Behind the Scenes

  • Behind the Scenes videos will be posted here

Promo Images

  • Promo Images, including posters and key art will be posted here

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GAF Threads
TV Threads:

Book Threads:

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  • This thread is for readers of all 5 Song of Ice and Fire books to discuss the adaption of the upcoming seasons of the TV show.
  • The fourth season will return in Spring of 2014, and will once again contain 10 episodes.
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Obviously, I will regularly add content to the OP as it comes in.

Please let me know if there are any mistakes in the OP.

Thanks
 
Mr.Ock said:
Will we see Arianne Martell? I want her to be soooo hot
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I doubt they'd hire someone to play her and then make her wait for a year. They may be mentioned whenever Oberyn dies, but unless they cross over heavily into AFFC she shouldn't be.

Can anyone link to something that details the writing process for this show? I'm sick of people being obsessed with episodes where GRRM is credited as directly writing it, since common sense says that scenes are shifted around and re-worked as length dictates, and with the ensemble cast its highly unlikely one writer is responsible for every characters scenes in a single episode.
 
Great picture in the header. Had the source saved on my PC a very long time ago and wanted to avatar it for myself. But it just seems too spoilery to have it as an avatar. Season 4 will be amazing, so many things will happen that every episode can potentially be an 'episode 9'.

Balon Greyjoy and his 'slip' over the bridge.(Minor event really in the short term. Probably will happen off-screen)
Joffrey's Wedding,
Lysa Arryn's Death and the Jon Arryn revelation,
Tyrion's Trial (The Mountain Vs Oberyn),
Dany and her 'Bear'.
Tywin's and Shae's fates,
Stannis STANNIS STANNIS, Ygritte dying and Jon being named the Lord Commander and refusing Stannis' offer.
Lady Stoneheart,

Am I missing something vital?

Will we see Doran Martell in season 4? Season 5 most probably...right? Great character.
 
they need to bring back conan stevens
the casting of the mountain is pretty much what I need to know most for season 4

the red viper looks different than I imagined, but just like WiC wrote, in Nina Gold we trust, I am sure he is going to be great
 
end of season spoiler probably: while in the book i was delighted. I will be very sad to see joffrey and tywin go. they are in the top 3 characters of the tv series and steal every scene they are in. they will leave a massive gap to be filled in terms of interest for me
 
In the OP, you have an open parentheses under the Links heading, for the Westeros.org link...

Please add close parentheses...

*right eye twitching maddly*
 
FootballFan said:
Great picture in the header. Had the source saved on my PC a very long time ago and wanted to avatar it for myself. But it just seems too spoilery to have it as an avatar. Season 4 will be amazing, so many things will happen that every episode can potentially be an 'episode 9'.

Balon Greyjoy and his 'slip' over the bridge.(Minor event really in the short term. Probably will happen off-screen)
Joffrey's Wedding,
Lysa Arryn's Death and the Jon Arryn revelation,
Tyrion's Trial (The Mountain Vs Oberyn),
Dany and her 'Bear'.
Tywin's and Shae's fates,
Stannis STANNIS STANNIS, Ygritte dying and Jon being named the Lord Commander and refusing Stannis' offer.
Lady Stoneheart,

Am I missing something vital?

Will we see Doran Martell in season 4? Season 5 most probably...right? Great character.
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Arya's storyline
Catelyn coming back to life
ColdHands

I don't know how they can fit all that in one seaons 0_0
 
So I guess the Dornish won't look any different... I'll need to see the rest of them. I do hope for some diversity.
Edit: hmm I guess I'm wrong, he's from Chile and maybe they are going for a Mediterranean look.
 
DragonSworne said:
Arya's storyline
Catelyn coming back to life
ColdHands

I don't know how they can fit all that in one seaons 0_0
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I'd think for season 4, Arya's storyline would at most finish with her arriving at bravos. Doesn't feel like it's going to take much room really.

And I think Tyrion's trial and Tywin and Shae's demise will be in season 5, Unless they pretty much open season 4 with Joffrey's wedding.
 
Paganmoon said:
I'd think for season 4, Arya's storyline would at most finish with her arriving at bravos. Doesn't feel like it's going to take much room really.

And I think Tyrion's trial and Tywin and Shae's demise will be in season 5, Unless they pretty much open season 4 with Joffrey's wedding.
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I suspect that Joffrey's wedding will be in the second episode. GRRM is writing it, after all...
 
If they introduce the Martells in episode 1, I could see the wedding happening episode 2, unless I'm forgetting other things that happen prior to it.

They also need to build up Sansa's escape prior to it, unless she decides to escape then and there. Am I misremembering or did they say Dontos will play a role?
 
ZimbAdam said:
I suspect that Joffrey's wedding will be in the second episode. GRRM is writing it, after all...
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I don't think that means anything, GRRM has only written one "sucker punch in your gut" episode, and that was Blackwater. Baelor and The Rains of Castamere were written by D&D.
So I'd figure Joffrey's wedding would be written by them also.
 
Paganmoon said:
I don't think that means anything, GRRM has only written one "sucker punch in your gut" episode, and that was Blackwater. Baelor and The Rains of Castamere were written by D&D.
So I'd figure Joffrey's wedding would be written by them also.
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Fair does, musta been remembering some stuff a little wrong. Come to think of it, it'd have to be later in the season anyway, unless they introduce Oberyn in the first episode.
 
LAUGHTREY said:
I doubt they'd hire someone to play her and then make her wait for a year. They may be mentioned whenever Oberyn dies, but unless they cross over heavily into AFFC she shouldn't be.

Can anyone link to something that details the writing process for this show? I'm sick of people being obsessed with episodes where GRRM is credited as directly writing it, since common sense says that scenes are shifted around and re-worked as length dictates, and with the ensemble cast its highly unlikely one writer is responsible for every characters scenes in a single episode.
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You're right about scenes being shifted around. For example, the bear scene in GRRM's episode this year wasn't written by him and was put into his episode after the fact.
 
Moff said:
they need to bring back conan stevens
the casting of the mountain is pretty much what I need to know most for season 4

the red viper looks different than I imagined, but just like WiC wrote, in Nina Gold we trust, I am sure he is going to be great
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This; we're in for a pretty anticlimactic fight if they fuck this up. One of Gold's biggest mistakes yet.
 
LAUGHTREY said:
I doubt they'd hire someone to play her and then make her wait for a year. They may be mentioned whenever Oberyn dies, but unless they cross over heavily into AFFC she shouldn't be.

Can anyone link to something that details the writing process for this show? I'm sick of people being obsessed with episodes where GRRM is credited as directly writing it, since common sense says that scenes are shifted around and re-worked as length dictates, and with the ensemble cast its highly unlikely one writer is responsible for every characters scenes in a single episode.
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Well, that's the case with pretty much every TV episode; they're very collaborative. Still, the credited writer is largely responsible for the episode. While you can't guarantee that a particular line or scene was written by him, he probably wrote most of it, and I imagine GRRM gets more deference than other staff writers for the material in his episodes for obvious reasons.
 
I think they may push Balon Greyjoy's death back to season 5. By moving forward Davos' rescue of Gendry to the end of season 3, Balon's death will have little significance to what happens at Dragonstone. I had thought they might cover the Kingsmoot on the Iron Islands from A Feast for Crows during season 4, but with the new story line of Yara taking a ship to rescue Theon being teased, that's not going to happen.

I'm really curious to see what they do next year with Rickon and Osha, too. Will Ramsay hunt them down?
 
Mr.Ock said:
Will we see Arianne Martell? I want her to be soooo hot
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It would make sense for her to come to King's Landing with Oberyn. That way they get to establish her before she becomes a bigger player. I wouldn't mind them also introducing Oakheart, if they don't cut him. Expanding that story could be interesting and make his death in S5 more meaningful. But if he's cut I wouldn't mind.

Still, I fear they're going to fuck up the Red Viper anyway. I was looking forward to the Halfhand in S2 and he was butchered, and IMO the Brotherhood was poorly handled in S3 after their nice introduction; the show turned them into gold hungry brigands for no reason (why not have had Beric refuse Melisandre's offer, then have her kidnap Gendry). Also we didn't see them interact with common people at all, nor did they fight any Lannisters.

In short I fear the Red Viper will get a bisexual sex scene and a couple slick lines before being forgotten. Assuming his fight with The Mountain is in ep 8, it seems like there should be plenty of time for him to make his mark. (BTW I think ep 9 will feature Tywin's death).

Another fear I have: the writers stretching the Wall battle to ep 9. I can't even imagine the point of that, or what filler they'll come up with. If you kill Ygritte in the second or third episode, it would make sense to have the battle half way through the season. Jon's ep 9 moment could be Stannis offering him Winterfell, and the finale would be him being named LC.
 
I can't wait for the twitter reactions following the Martell incident
Hopefully they can make him out to be as epic and likeable as possible, just as GRRM did to me, that asshole :(
 
the brotherhood was fine, I actually liked the characters much more.
but the halfhand was one of the worst things on the show yet, especially the fight with jon.
 
Azrael said:
I think they may push Balon Greyjoy's death back to season 5. By moving forward Davos' rescue of Gendry to the end of season 3, Balon's death will have little significance to what happens at Dragonstone. I had thought they might cover the Kingsmoot on the Iron Islands from A Feast for Crows during season 4, but with the new story line of Yara taking a ship to rescue Theon being teased, that's not going to happen.

I'm really curious to see what they do next year with Rickon and Osha, too. Will Ramsay hunt them down?
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eh? can't imagine why they would go this route. Ramsay has enough to do with Reek and the Wedding business. Osha and Rickon vanished off the face of the earth, and Davos going to get him is supposedly a big plot point.
 
Azrael said:
I think they may push Balon Greyjoy's death back to season 5. By moving forward Davos' rescue of Gendry to the end of season 3, Balon's death will have little significance to what happens at Dragonstone. I had thought they might cover the Kingsmoot on the Iron Islands from A Feast for Crows during season 4, but with the new story line of Yara taking a ship to rescue Theon being teased, that's not going to happen.


I'm really curious to see what they do next year with Rickon and Osha, too. Will Ramsay hunt them down?
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I'm wondering what they're planning for the ironborn. Is this Yara plot the beginning of a completely different plot for them, or are they going to use the fact that they only have a third of a book to cover this season to work in some extra material to build her up as a bigger character before the kingsmoot in season 5, so that that'll maybe resonate better than in the books. If they're doing the latter, then a similar strategy could work for Arianne and the Dornish and having her travel with Oberyn. It would end up making season 4 the only season where they add more than they cut, but it would smooth the transition to the Feast/Dance material a lot.

And I think there has to be an Osha/Rickon plot this season. There's no way they let Nat Tena go off screen for more than a single season. And there was no other reason to have Ramsay mention hunting them and to change Rickon's destination to the Umbers unless they're planning something. Osha and Rickon looking for the Umbers while Ramsay and Reek look for them while Yara looks for them works a lot of characters together into a single plot thread pretty well.

Manmademan said:
eh? can't imagine why they would go this route. Ramsay has enough to do with Reek and the Wedding business. Osha and Rickon vanished off the face of the earth, and Davos going to get him is supposedly a big plot point.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ramsay's wedding can't really happen until after Joffrey's death and Tyrion's trial, right? It's not until Tyrion's attainted and loses his claim to Winterfell that they need to make the Bolton's permanent lords of the North by getting them a direct tie to Stark blood. The Bolton's aren't really doing much in the back half of Storm.
 
Iksenpets said:
I'm wondering what they're planning for the ironborn. Is this Yara plot the beginning of a completely different plot for them, or are they going to use the fact that they only have a third of a book to cover this season to work in some extra material to build her up as a bigger character before the kingsmoot in season 5, so that that'll maybe resonate better than in the books. If they're doing the latter, then a similar strategy could work for Arianne and the Dornish and having her travel with Oberyn. It would end up making season 4 the only season where they add more than they cut, but it would smooth the transition to the Feast/Dance material a lot.
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I can see them cutting the kingsmoot out entirely, to be honest. It's not that compelling a plot point.

And I think there has to be an Osha/Rickon plot this season. There's no way they let Nat Tena go off screen for more than a single season. And there was no other reason to have Ramsay mention hunting them and to change Rickon's destination to the Umbers unless they're planning something. Osha and Rickon looking for the Umbers while Ramsay and Reek look for them while Yara looks for them works a lot of characters together into a single plot thread pretty well.
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Halfway agree. Having rickon disappear entirely for 2 or 3 books (I can't recall, honestly) was a mistake, and I think they're going to show what happens to them intermittently over the course of the show. One way or another he's going to end up on that isle of cannibals though, since again that's a big plot point for Davos going into book 6.

Having ramsay hunt them down is needlessly complicated though. There's more than enough going on with the plot lines that actually involve him in the books, and there are a TON of other plotlines that need to be covered.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ramsay's wedding can't really happen until after Joffrey's death and Tyrion's trial, right? It's not until Tyrion's attainted and loses his claim to Winterfell that they need to make the Bolton's permanent lords of the North by getting them a direct tie to Stark blood. The Bolton's aren't really doing much in the back half of Storm.
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yes, but this ignores the fact that the books completely skip over the Ramsay/Theon "relationship" and skip to the conclusion for the "surprise" reveal that Reek is Theon. I expect the show to expand on that some more until Theon is TOTALLY broken and into the Reek persona (this doesn't even have to be every episode, every other or every third episode would probably be sufficient) and by that time Joff will be dead. Given the pace the show is going, I don't expect Joff to be alive for more than 2 or 3 episodes.
 
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";67105861]I never cared about the halfhand. And Thoros and Beric are way cooler in the show.[/QUOTE]

Thorps is way cooler in the show, but the Brotherhood as a whole comes off as a much less noble enterprise and much more of a cult.
 
I could see the kings moot abandoned by just making Euron older than victarion. Especially since yara will be going away at sea.
 
Kwhit10 said:
I could see the kings moot abandoned by just making Euron older than victarion. Especially since yara will be going away at sea.
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I'm on board with this. The show hasn't been shy about inventing characters, condensing plotlines etc and the kingsmoot is a prime candidate for this.
 
I'm almost done with book 3 bit I need to know this. The black brother that saved sam, was that Benjen?

I hate that we don't know his fate yet :(
 
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