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["God's Beard!"]

What about Aemon dying and Sam getting his freak on with Gilly?

Aemon dying can be in Braavos, and Gilly is part of the arrival to Oldtown.

Dareon is kind of essential to Arya and her appearance to Sam and her own story, though.

He doesn't need to be. I think they should have Sam looking for news of dragons for Aemon's last wish, and find people to talk to through Arya. Then they could segue to Arya learning.

The show could have problems with Illyn Payne though, as Wilko Johnson has terminal cancer (and elected not to have chemo).
It means where that character is concerned they'll either have to recast or rewrite, and their past recasts have been... dubious.
I mean, recasting Beric was one thing because most people wouldn't remember the characters' previous appearance played by Scott (which was very minor, and the character then went around being raggedy and dying, so a change in appearance is explainable anyway)... but on the other hand you have the Mountain, which really didn't work because most people didn't even realise that Ian Whyte was the Mountain :|

The mountain wasn't that important in the S2 story. You'll notice that he's always in shadow during his scenes. They probably just wanted to bring back the original actor for season 4.

 

[dubq]

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";67376841]
He doesn't need to be. I think they should have Sam looking for news of dragons for Aemon's last wish, and find people to talk to through Arya. Then they could segue to Arya learning.[/QUOTE]

The connection is what does it for me. Arya tells Sam where Dareon is, and they get into a fight. Arya then judges him a deserter and slits his throat in an ally.. which leads to the Kindly Man taking her sight for making that decision on her own. Though it's not really clear if the blindness is a "promotion" or a punishment.. but I took it was the Kindly Man taking steps to further push back "Arya" and things that are connected or matter to her.

Sure, they could always use some random character.. but it's the connection to Sam and the Night's Watch (and hence, Jon and Arya's old life) that makes it important, IMO.

 

[DrForester]

The Kindly Man said they would have taken her eyes regardless later. Her actions just forced their hands.


Chance in hell of Patrick Stewart or Ian McKellen for Kindly Man?

 

[demosthenes]

Book 3 is done.

Holy shit what an ending.

Finally find out what happened to Jon Arryn. Tyrion getting a 1/2 revenge. Petyr is the mastermind behind everything. Jon Snow is caught between a rock and a hard place. AND Cat is 'alive'?!

Off to start book 4, man oh man I can't stop reading.

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

The Kindly Man said they would have taken her eyes regardless later. Her actions just forced their hands.


Chance in hell of Patrick Stewart or Ian McKellen for Kindly Man?

They'll probably get John Hurt instead.

 

[Iksenpets]

Book 3 is done.

Holy shit what an ending.

Finally find out what happened to Jon Arryn. Tyrion getting a 1/2 revenge. Petyr is the mastermind behind everything. Jon Snow is caught between a rock and a hard place. AND Cat is 'alive'?!

Off to start book 4, man oh man I can't stop reading.

Temper yourself for book four. It's sort of kicking off the second act of the story after Storm wrapped up the first, so expect it to slow down and to introduce a pretty large number of new characters.

Oh and leave here before we spoil it all.

 

[demosthenes]

Temper yourself for book four. It's sort of kicking off the second act of the story after Storm wrapped up the first, so expect it to slow down and to introduce a pretty large number of new characters.

Oh and leave here before we spoil it all.

Oh, I am until the next book is done. I like posting my reactions and up before having a few things answered. I'm pretty good at not reading what I don't want to read

 

[DrForester]

 

[Dysun]

More to come my boy!

 

[RaidenZR]

As a long list of credits for minor roles, but I haven't seen him any anything.

I have complete faith in the casting for this show though, so no worries from me.

He was good on Lights Out last year as an Armenian boxer, but not many people saw that. He's currently on Graceland, but it's a limited role in both screen time and what he's asked to do.

It's hard to say. The stuff I've seen him in weren't especially amazing, but I've mostly seen him in minor roles on not-especially-amazing TV shows.

Well, wherever he's from, I think we probably all agree that he needs to bring it.

 

[devilhawk]

I think there is a chance that Bronn replaces Ilyn Payne for traveling with Jaime during his AFFC stuff. Though I also think they could do a decent story of him marrying a lady (with help from Cercei) and becoming a lord and the duel with Cercei's "friends."

 

[Rentahamster]

I think there is a chance that Bronn replaces Ilyn Payne for traveling with Jaime during his AFFC stuff. Though I also think they could do a decent story of him marrying a lady (with help from Cercei) and becoming a lord and the duel with Cercei's "friends."

Yeah, I can see that. Bronn taking up that role would be fucking awesome. Nice idea.

 

[GhaleonEB]

I can't read this thread yet. But I've just finished A Feast for Crows (which was excellent - I liked it more than A Storm of Swords). So I'm but one book away. All those threads I've been avoiding, I can finally read! Looking forward to being able to participate in the conversation, instead of being a few years behind.

 

[devilhawk]

Yeah, I can see that. Bronn taking up that role would be fucking awesome. Nice idea.

I can't take credit. Another poster thought of it when the announcement of Ilyn's actor's sickness. I do like the idea though.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I can't see Jaime pouring his heart out to Bronn of all people. That would just be asking for trouble. They could just wind up cutting those scenes out, as I'm not really sure if there's a way to have it be plausible without Ilyn involved.

 

[Iksenpets]

I think there is a chance that Bronn replaces Ilyn Payne for traveling with Jaime during his AFFC stuff. Though I also think they could do a decent story of him marrying a lady (with help from Cercei) and becoming a lord and the duel with Cercei's "friends."

Ooh, I like this. There was no way Bronn marrying into House Idontevenremember and Cersei's crazy conspiracies against him would make the cut, so that's a good way to get him into a more necessary role, while avoiding the (unfortunate ) need to recast Ilyn.

I can't see Jaime pouring his heart out to Bronn of all people. That would just be asking for trouble. They could just wind up cutting those scenes out, as I'm not really sure if there's a way to have it be plausible without Ilyn involved.

He knows that he kept all of Tyrion's secrets well enough. Sure, he walked away in the end when a lordship was offered, but he never actively testified against Tyrion, and and the odds of anyone offering him higher pay than Jaime can give him are pretty low.

 

[Speevy]

There are so many obvious foreshadowings in season 3, episode 10 that you could pretty much write season 4 without reading this thread.

 

[Pkaz01]

The Kindly Man said they would have taken her eyes regardless later. Her actions just forced their hands.


Chance in hell of Patrick Stewart or Ian McKellen for Kindly Man?

Patrick Stewart would be amazing, especially since he and maisie worked together during the olympics with that ryan locthe video

 

[Chuckie]

Ooh, I like this. There was no way Bronn marrying into House Idontevenremember and Cersei's crazy conspiracies against him would make the cut, so that's a good way to get him into a more necessary role, while avoiding the (unfortunate ) need to recast Ilyn.

House Stokeworth. Proud to be faithful ya'll!

 

[Snake]

- The only problem with casting Patrick Stewart for the Kindly Man is that it would preclude him from being in another more significant role. But I would welcome Stewart in any role, and I can't think of anything else now so I can't complain.

- While I like that the idea of Bronn as a replacement for Ilyn Payne, I'm not certain that it would be good enough television to include it. Part of the problem of adapting AFFC and ADWD is that there's tons of great material for intimate one-on-one dialogue scenes, but the TV audience will start to revolt if the show preserves the pacing of those books. I guess it could work if those scenes lead fairly quickly into material that connects Jaime with Stoneheart's Bw/oB.

 

[timetokill]

I'm really hoping they do the Martell's justice. Give Arianne the Margaery treatment and give her a lot more screen time, along with the Viper.

And honestly, it's sad to me that people want so much stuff cut. They could do a lot of great things without trying to ram everything into one season. They already underdevelop a lot of the characters and plotlines. More time, not less, is the answer. And you can't just cut people's introductions and build-ups and then jump to them right when they're getting into the action. There's no relationship with those characters at that point.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

Ooh, I like this. There was no way Bronn marrying into House Idontevenremember and Cersei's crazy conspiracies against him would make the cut, so that's a good way to get him into a more necessary role, while avoiding the (unfortunate ) need to recast Ilyn.



He knows that he kept all of Tyrion's secrets well enough. Sure, he walked away in the end when a lordship was offered, but he never actively testified against Tyrion, and and the odds of anyone offering him higher pay than Jaime can give him are pretty low.

I mean maybe, maybe (actually no, not at all) Jaime would trust Bronn enough to tell him those secrets, but Bronn at the very least have a completely different reaction than Ilyn when he hears what Jaime has to say. It would make the scenes pretty different.

 

[Cornballer]

From the other thread before we moved here:

- Deadline Emmy Q&A: ‘Game Of Thrones’ David Benioff And D.B. Weiss

As WiC.net pointed out, one of the more interesting bits:

For us what is most enticing about this series is, if we’re lucky enough to get to the end, there will be 80 hours of screen time with a beginning, middle, and a real end.

 

[Dysun]

Sounds like they have a road map to go 8 years. Hope they can follow through

 

["God's Beard!"]

I can see the marriage thing happening in the show, but from Bronn's perspective instead of Cersei's. There's a lot of great potential for funny scenes there.

I can see a lot of extra scenes that were hinted at in Feast making it in, even some of the flashbacks can go in season 4, like Varys and Jaime.

 

[SephCast]

Sounds like they have a road map to go 8 years. Hope they can follow through

So maybe Winds of Winter comes out next year then George has 4 more years to write the last book?


Please?

 

[Eidan]

From the other thread before we moved here:


As WiC.net pointed out, one of the more interesting bits:

Eight sounds good.

 

[Frost_Ace]

So maybe Winds of Winter comes out next year then George has 4 more years to write the last book?


Please?

twow is late 2015 at best imho.

 

[Steelyuhas]

Eight has always sounded about right in my head.

 

[besada]

Just finished re-reading the first four books. Working my way through the fifth.

Interesting notes:
The removal of Strong Belwas from the TV series made me sad.

So far as I know, the Tyrek Lannister disappearance has never been concluded. I know it didn't appear in the show, but given how much time Martin spends on it in multiple books, one wonders if Tyrek will show up.

Finally, regarding the valonqar: everyone had it wrong. Valonqar means "little brother" and Cersei assumed it was Tyrion. It's not. It's Rickon. He who has been off with Osha. It's Rickon who will kill Cersei before all is said and done.

 

[Dysun]

I still think they can make Belwas a pit fighter in Meereen later

 

[fallengorn]

Finally, regarding the valonqar: everyone had it wrong. Valonqar means "little brother" and Cersei assumed it was Tyrion. It's not. It's Rickon. He who has been off with Osha. It's Rickon who will kill Cersei before all is said and done.

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I think Jaime is technically her little brother since she came out first. Although, it'd be funny to see Rickon smash her head in like a walnut.

I still think they can make Belwas a pit fighter in Meereen later

It would be a cool little thrown in for book readers, but I only see that happening if he's a featured extra.

 

[Steelyuhas]

D&D writing episode 401, Melisandre assumingly in the episode, filming starts in a week

 

[Admiral Bone to Pick]

Just finished re-reading the first four books. Working my way through the fifth.

Interesting notes:
The removal of Strong Belwas from the TV series made me sad.

So far as I know, the Tyrek Lannister disappearance has never been concluded. I know it didn't appear in the show, but given how much time Martin spends on it in multiple books, one wonders if Tyrek will show up.

Finally, regarding the valonqar: everyone had it wrong. Valonqar means "little brother" and Cersei assumed it was Tyrion. It's not. It's Rickon. He who has been off with Osha. It's Rickon who will kill Cersei before all is said and done.

I don't like the idea that a random, unrelated character will be the one to do Cersei in. It would make a lot more sense for Jaime to kill her, and it would be the kind of tragic justice that fits with GRRM so well.

Also I agree that it sucks they removed Strong Belwas. I think he's the type of character who wouldn't translate to the screen so well, but they managed to make Daario more realistic. They could have done the same with Belwas.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

From the other thread before we moved here:


As WiC.net pointed out, one of the more interesting bits:

There goes GRRM's dream of 3 seasons for AFFC+ADWD...

 

[besada]

I don't like the idea that a random, unrelated character will be the one to do Cersei in.

Rickon's got good cause to want to see her dead, so he's not exactly random. I just think Jaime and Tyrion are too easy.

 

[Moff]

so. eight seasons.
I wonder what that means. the obvious choice would be one season per book, with ASOS the only exception, but maybe they will change the pace of the show completely, maybe AFFC/ADWD will be one and a half season and season 6 will already have some winds of winter. maybe the possibility of a prequel season is included in those eight.
I just still cant believe they will give AFFC/ADWD a whole season each, that would be a big mistake.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

Interesting notes:
The removal of Strong Belwas from the TV series made me sad.
.

same. one of my favorite minor characters.

 

[fallengorn]

Rickon's got good cause to want to see her dead, so he's not exactly random. I just think Jaime and Tyrion are too easy.

Rickon has a reason to want her dead but it's such a left-field idea, partially because we haven't seen or heard from him for a good while. Arya killing Cersei while disguised as Tyrion sounds more plausible at this point.

Jaime is an obvious choice, but his straining relationship with Cersei is a part of his story.

I really doubt it will be Tyrion, because that would mean Cersei was right about something.

 

[kirblar]

Given the lukewarm reception that the later books have ( I personally think they're fine), it would be amazing if the show producers are able to craft the show storylines in a way that are greatly superior to the books.

They have a mulligan! Don't waste it!

Because of how greatly Tyrion's Book 5, storyline has to be reworked, combined with Show Shae being a completely different character, I suspect they're going to actually have her survive S4 and journey alongside him. The rape situation w/ Tyrion's first wife will essentially be rolled into the Shae/Tywin situation, giving it a wholly different shading, and give Tyrion's motivation/rage for killing Tywin much more immediacy. One of those "show, don't tell" things.

 

[DrForester]

Because of how greatly Tyrion's Book 5, storyline has to be reworked, combined with Show Shae being a completely different character, I suspect they're going to actually have her survive S4 and journey alongside him. The rape situation w/ Tyrion's first wife will essentially be rolled into the Shae/Tywin situation, giving it a wholly different shading, and give Tyrion's motivation/rage for killing Tywin much more immediacy. One of those "show, don't tell" things.

Shae betrayed him. I think even in thebooks she was fond of him, but she was out to protect her own skin afterwards. To not include her death by his hands would be a big blow to Tyrion's arc.

 

[Rentahamster]

Because of how greatly Tyrion's Book 5, storyline has to be reworked, combined with Show Shae being a completely different character, I suspect they're going to actually have her survive S4 and journey alongside him. The rape situation w/ Tyrion's first wife will essentially be rolled into the Shae/Tywin situation, giving it a wholly different shading, and give Tyrion's motivation/rage for killing Tywin much more immediacy. One of those "show, don't tell" things.

I'm pretty sure Shae's toast. The betrayal is a big hit the gut for Tyrion, and would add lots of drama. His arc is a lot better for it, IMO.

Besides, in interviews, GRRM and DD have mentioned knowing that certain characters will die, and feeling sorry for the actors, and I feel like that they are alluding to Shae's actor.

 

[Lactose_Intolerant]

I'm pretty sure Shae's toast. The betrayal is a big hit the gut for Tyrion, and would add lots of drama. His arc is a lot better for it, IMO.

Besides, in interviews, GRRM and DD have mentioned knowing that certain characters will die, and feeling sorry for the actors, and I feel like that they are alluding to Shae's actor.

Yeah, I just read one of their recent interviews about how a "lovely young woman" asked if there was some way she wouldn't have to die in the next season.

 

[Massa]

Yeah, I just read one of their recent interviews about how a "lovely young woman" asked if there was some way she wouldn't have to die in the next season.

I think that was Rose Leslie. She will probably die in episode 4.

 

[Subitai]

Maybe it was both

 

[Steelyuhas]

I think that was Rose Leslie. She will probably die in episode 4.

I definitely thought of Rose Leslie when I read that.

 

[TestOfTide]

For Jaime's whole confession stuff they could just have him bring Kingsgaurd Loras with him. Both have relationship secrets they want to keep private and have a lot in common in terms of fighting history (Loras is refered to a few times in the book as the next Jaime). As for a reason to have Loras go with Jaime you could just use Cersei's Tyrell paranoia as a reason to ask Jaime to take Loras with him.

Because of how greatly Tyrion's Book 5, storyline has to be reworked, combined with Show Shae being a completely different character, I suspect they're going to actually have her survive S4 and journey alongside him. The rape situation w/ Tyrion's first wife will essentially be rolled into the Shae/Tywin situation, giving it a wholly different shading, and give Tyrion's motivation/rage for killing Tywin much more immediacy. One of those "show, don't tell" things.

They already introduced the gold chain. Literally the only purpose of the gold chain is to serve as a convenient way to silently kill her.

 

[kirblar]

I think that was Rose Leslie. She will probably die in episode 4.

That seems likely. (Given Shae's actresses age/past, I would be surprised if anyone described her in that manner.)

For Jaime's whole confession stuff they could just have him bring Kingsgaurd Loras with him. Both have relationship secrets they want to keep private and have a lot in common in terms of fighting history (Loras is refered to a few times in the book as the next Jaime). As for a reason to have Loras go with Jaime you could just use Cersei's Tyrell paranoia as a reason to ask Jaime to take Loras with him.

Jaime's totally going to suggest the Kingsguard to Loras as a way of getting out of the marriage.

 

[Steelyuhas]

AV Club's short article about casting The Red Viper is pretty funny

 

[DrForester]

AV Club's short article about casting The Red Viper is pretty funny

That entire last paragraph is amazing.

Without giving too much away to those who haven’t read the books, Oberyn is a man. He breathes and is ambulatory. His turn-ons include living, existing, and not being brutally killed. He also bears the nickname “The Red Viper,” an allusion to a species of snake that’s famous for being alive. Also, he’s described by showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss as “sexy and charming,” which should make for an interesting change of pace for Game Of Thrones, throwing a person who enjoys sex in there.