bodyofanamerican
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Please, HBO, PLEASE bring back Conan Stevens as the Mountain.
Game of Thrones |OT| *UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Season 4 Offseason Thread
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Steelyuhas
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I think it would be nice to do the majority of Mance's attack on the wall in episode 7, ending with Janos and Alliser arriving and throwing Jon in an ice cell. Then you check in with a couple characters at the wall during episode 8 (Sam) talking about Mance's next attack, Jon being locked up. Finally in episode 9, Janos and Alliser pull him out of the cell and Jon goes to the camp and then Stannis the Mannis.
They mentioned going to the Last Hearth in the show. They could develop a little arc where Ramsay is hunting them on the way there, or he finds out they are there once he gets there and the Umbers send them to Skagos.
I can see them cutting out a huge chunk of a feast for crows actually, or rather, I hope they do. Worst parts of the book series are in that book.
"God's Beard!"
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I've been rereading Feast, and god that book sucks. What a meandering waste of a thousand pages. The only consistently interesting chapters that keep things moving are Victarion's, but Cersei's get pretty close. Arya is hit or miss and everything else just sucks time away for no real reason. Book could have been cut in half and had the same amount of things happen.
I dunno, they never seemed that noble to me. Honestly I thought their time with Arya dragged.
I dunno, they never seemed that noble to me. Honestly I thought their time with Arya dragged.
The Brotherhood in the show was great. Thoros was actually an interesting character that you cared about, and Beric was serviceable.
Butchering the Skirling pass with Halfhand did suck though
I'm not a fan of Asha's new quest to rescue Theon, hard to imagine there will actually be a pay-off or confrontation between Ramsay and Asha before she gets called away to the Kingsmoot
Butchering the Skirling pass with Halfhand did suck though
I'm not a fan of Asha's new quest to rescue Theon, hard to imagine there will actually be a pay-off or confrontation between Ramsay and Asha before she gets called away to the Kingsmoot
Excited for this season. I really hope they don't cut the kingsmoot, most of the Ironborn stuff was some of my favorite in the latter books. That could be a really powerful scene with Euron getting the surprise win, unveiling his dragon horns, and simultaneously launching the Ironborn invasion of the Reach and the search for Daenerys. Euron and Victarion are two of the coolest characters, Victarion and Arianne really should be introduced this season.
Blue Ninja
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Aw yeah, can't wait.
TestOfTide
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So are Grenn and Dolorous Edd dead in the tv show?
Would really ruin the big season 4 battle ig there was no Grenn. Also would be a waste of cast to not have edd and Grenn show up
Would really ruin the big season 4 battle ig there was no Grenn. Also would be a waste of cast to not have edd and Grenn show up
No.
They just haven't returned to Castle Black yet like, presumably, most of the surviving members of the NW's ranging. I'm sure they'll have a scene to show their return sometime soon in S4.
Steelyuhas
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Agreed on the Brotherhood, especially Thoros. I couldn't tell you a thing about Thoros in the book, but he was very interesting in the show.
Some do. reposting from the old thread:
Stony Dornishmen: Described as being as white as most people in the Seven Kingdoms. Brown and blonde hair.
Salty Dornishmen: "Smooth olive skin."
Sandy: Darker brown/olive skin, "burnt by the sun." Dark hair.
Doran, Oberyn, and Elia Martell are presumed to be "Salty." House Dayne is mostly "Stony." The Sand Snakes have mothers from Volantis, the Summer Isles, Oldtown, etc, so they vary.
Rentahamster
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Given the lukewarm reception that the later books have ( I personally think they're fine), it would be amazing if the show producers are able to craft the show storylines in a way that are greatly superior to the books.
They have a mulligan! Don't waste it!
They have a mulligan! Don't waste it!
The latter books just feel so drawn out. The quicker pace of the show should help.
DragonSworne
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How much of Bran do you think we will see next season? Didn't season 3 pretty much end with what happens in book 3 expect for the introduction of Cold Hands?
"God's Beard!"
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For Feast, they could just straight cut a ton of stuff.
- Cut out the dorne chapters entirely and deal with the necessary information tangentially.
- Cut out most of Jaime's solo stuff except where Cersei is concerned(Lancel). Play up his internal monologue through his training with Illyn Payne.
- Cut out 90% of Brienne's wandering chapters, pretty much just have her interact with Podrick and defend Gendry and get caught by Catelyn.
- Cut out the first boat ride and all the singer stuff with Samwell. He pretty much only needs a scene on the wall, a scene on Braavos with Arya(which would make an awesome segue) making a cameo and a scene in Oldtown.
- Arya's stuff will naturally condense because so much of it is descriptions
- Play up Sansa's chapters because they're a second King's Landing and people love that stuff
- Condense Cersei to the sept stuff and the plotting to get rid of Margery. Internal monologue can be played up through bath time with Lady Merryweather. Make note of the Bank of Braavos.
- Loras is already less of a prominent character than the books, he can pretty much be sidelined to one or two conversations about starting the raid so he can move troops to defend against the ironborn.
- The Kingsmoot can probably be played around, but Victarion needs to be a major character, because he's the first one planning on interacting with Daenaerys and ties her to Westeros plotlines.
This leaves breathing room for the more interesting stuff from the first half of Dance. I doubt they could fit both books into one season, though.
Rentahamster
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Is it generally thought that cutting and condensing is the best route to go? How do people feel about adding new things that could possibly make the show version of events and character interactions more compelling?
I wonder if in meetings, GRRM was like, "You know, in hindsight, this and this part were kinda stupid, so let's just have this happen instead".
I wonder if in meetings, GRRM was like, "You know, in hindsight, this and this part were kinda stupid, so let's just have this happen instead".
"God's Beard!"
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Well, both would be best. I don't think every character needs adding, though. Probably only Arya and Sansa because they're making huge character transitions and don't really have a ton to do to show it.
I sort of assumed that the sudden intro of the Dorne and ironborn plots was a product of the scrapped five year gap. In the context of the story having moved forward five years, the introduction of this new stuff would've made more sense. Kind of the same way everyone in the books is too young because George assumed he was going to be aging everyone up five years later on. Had he known that there wouldn't be any jump in time, maybe he would've introduced that stuff earlier on and more gradually to make it feel more natural.
So yeah, in an ideal world I would say that now would be the opportunity to add stuff to flesh those out, because I don't think those plots are bad so much as they suffer because we have no investment in any of the characters in them. Who really cares who is the king of the Iron Islands when we've only known any of the candidates for four chapters? But if they end up having to cram the entire series into just seven ten episode seasons, then yeah, that stuff's probably got to go.
iRAWRasaurus
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I believe so, it's early on in the season.
DrForester
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I'm almost done with book 3 bit I need to know this. The black brother that saved sam, was that Benjen?
I hate that we don't know his fate yet
Even as of book 5 we don't know who Cold Hands is. There are many theories though.
I kind of expect that with Throne, and have him seen up with Slynt at the dock to go back to Eastwatch with some throwaway line about Slynt having been waiting all this time. The battle at the wall (the big one) will probably be a mid season thing, and I expect Slynt and Thorne to pop up in episode 9 or 10, after the battle. The whole thing with Jon being arrested and then the politics of the lord Commander should only last an episode or two.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";67149636]For Feast, they could just straight cut a ton of stuff.
What about Aemon dying and Sam getting his freak on with Gilly?
- Cut out the first boat ride and all the singer stuff with Samwell. He pretty much only needs a scene on the wall, a scene on Braavos with Arya(which would make an awesome segue) making a cameo and a scene in Oldtown.
What about Aemon dying and Sam getting his freak on with Gilly?
Exterminieren
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There isn't enough content in the back end of ASOS for a whole season, particularly with how they handled the Bran and Sam plots. They either need to start bumping material forward, or to invent new plots out of whole cloth.
They've clearly already started this, what with Yara's quest to the Dreadfort and whatever.
They've clearly already started this, what with Yara's quest to the Dreadfort and whatever.
DrForester
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Unless they stupidly have Jon elected Lord Commander after the first Skirmish, and then do the big battle, i just can't see them holding it until then.
This is a great time to abandon the season 9 blowout, thing just to screw with expectations. Having Jon offered Winterfell would be a nice episode 9 thing. I think the biggest piece of action and spectacle in episode 9 should be the Viper vs. Mountain fight. While potentially a very cool event, it's not exactly the grand climax we've gotten before.
Above all, I want the last shot of the season to be Tyrion exiting the privy and throwing the crossbow onto the bed and walking back into the hidden entrance.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";67149636]For Feast, they could just straight cut a ton of stuff.
Cut out the first boat ride and all the singer stuff with Samwell. He pretty much only needs a scene on the wall, a scene on Braavos with Arya(which would make an awesome segue) making a cameo and a scene in Oldtown.
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Dareon is kind of essential to Arya and her appearance to Sam and her own story, though.
Cut out the first boat ride and all the singer stuff with Samwell. He pretty much only needs a scene on the wall, a scene on Braavos with Arya(which would make an awesome segue) making a cameo and a scene in Oldtown.
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Dareon is kind of essential to Arya and her appearance to Sam and her own story, though.
DrForester
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That would be nice. Episode 2, just have it come out of nowhere. I really hope there's zero foreshadowing to it, and it's just as sudden and unexpected.
I wonder how they're going to handle to reveal that Joffrey tried to have Bran killed. It was handled so randomly in the book and without any fanfare, and it's arguably one of the biggest catalysts to this entire series of events.
Ahh yea, because of that they may do Joffereys wedding in Ep 3 or 4.
Exterminieren
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I still maintain that episode 1 should be focused on King's Landing and culminate in Joffrey's death.
Grab people by the throat and don't let go.
Grab people by the throat and don't let go.
Steelyuhas
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As a long list of credits for minor roles, but I haven't seen him any anything.
I have complete faith in the casting for this show though, so no worries from me.
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The royal wedding in episode 2 would be awesome, but I think there is too much to set up prior to that, and it's not like they are only going to focus on Kings Landing, so I don't see that happening. 3 or 4 seems like a more realistic spot for it.
KuwabaraTheMan
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There's no way to do that. They're not going to leave out 90% of their main cast in the season premiere, and there's too much King's Landing material prior to the wedding.
I would bet on Episode 4. There's only so much Tyrion and Sansa material after the Purple Wedding.
Cornballer
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He was good on Lights Out last year as an Armenian boxer, but not many people saw that. He's currently on Graceland, but it's a limited role in both screen time and what he's asked to do.
It's hard to say. The stuff I've seen him in weren't especially amazing, but I've mostly seen him in minor roles on not-especially-amazing TV shows.
The reason to be hopeful is that The Red Viper is clearly a role that they want to do justice, and casting for the show has always been great IMO. I hope someone releases/leaks his audition tape so we can see what they saw.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";67149636][*]Cut out most of Jaime's solo stuff except where Cersei is concerned(Lancel). Play up his internal monologue through his training with Illyn Payne.[/QUOTE]
The show could have problems with Illyn Payne though, as Wilko Johnson has terminal cancer (and elected not to have chemo).
It means where that character is concerned they'll either have to recast or rewrite, and their past recasts have been... dubious.
I mean, recasting Beric was one thing because most people wouldn't remember the characters' previous appearance played by Scott (which was very minor, and the character then went around being raggedy and dying, so a change in appearance is explainable anyway)... but on the other hand you have the Mountain, which really didn't work because most people didn't even realise that Ian Whyte was the Mountain :|
The show could have problems with Illyn Payne though, as Wilko Johnson has terminal cancer (and elected not to have chemo).
It means where that character is concerned they'll either have to recast or rewrite, and their past recasts have been... dubious.
I mean, recasting Beric was one thing because most people wouldn't remember the characters' previous appearance played by Scott (which was very minor, and the character then went around being raggedy and dying, so a change in appearance is explainable anyway)... but on the other hand you have the Mountain, which really didn't work because most people didn't even realise that Ian Whyte was the Mountain :|
DrForester
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Charles Dance showed up on Top Gear today for the inauguration of the crews new Reasonably Priced Car.
And lost to a dwarf.
Must resist urge to post "Wow, the dwarf killed him" in the Top Gear thread....
And lost to a dwarf.
Must resist urge to post "Wow, the dwarf killed him" in the Top Gear thread....
demosthenes
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Thanks for the answer.
I'm not really reading stuff that aren't my posts or replies to avoid spoilers for later books.
I just read the chapter ver near the end of book 3 where Tyrion tells Jamie that he killed his son. I was under the impression that it was Littlefinger arranging the plot. Was he doing that just to spite Jamie?
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Zoso Achilles
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Yes since he's pissed Jamie lied about Tysha.
demosthenes
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I'm kind of expecting Sam and Arya to be two of the more reworked plots. The only thing in those chapters that's relevant to the larger story is that Arya is training with the Faceless Men and Sam with the Maesters. They're pretty much free to create whatever plots they want with those characters so long as they give the necessary information on those two organizations. And budget-wise, that's creating two entirely new cities with all the sets and exposition required for that, all for the sake of two characters. Unless House Hightower or the city of Braavos become important political players as things progress, I could see the showrunners trying to shift them to locations closer to the central plot. I could see merging them both into Oldtown by having Arya apprentice directly with Jaqen instead of going to Braavos, or if Oldtown has no larger importance in the later plot, moving the Citadel to King's Landing as well. That would suck, since Braavos is the most interesting of the exotic locations from Feast/Dance, but it's probably the easiest to drop without losing entire plot threads.
And he seemed a lot more pragmatic too - I am with the couple posters who are saying the Brotherhood were better on screen for two reasons:
1. They don't seem quite as small in number and influence since the red god stuff was handled so well (Melisandre meeting and strong arming them = dead Robb Stark via Gendry).
2. Thoros saying their fight against the false king's men requires gold and he doesn't really give a shit about some boy made him seem more badass/pragmatic somehow.
That sounds like glorified fan fiction and I like to think that the show runners would not be willing to change the plot THAT much.
Braavos, btw, is a player already (in the books) considering the Iron Bank is coming for the Lannisters and Stannis also also cutting a deal with them.
Lactose_Intolerant
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The iron bank also been mentioned in the show to be pretty ruthless too. Tyrion talks about how they will fund your enemies if you don't pay back your debts.
I'm guessing they won't be skipping them.
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