GamingTech - A Very Poor LCD Display / No Real HDR Support Switch 2 HDR, Tested On Display And In Docking Mode

So about 200$ per unit?

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I am well aware of him and his biases.
That's pretty bright for IPS screen.

It doesn't matter, it's still not HDR.

Low contrast, raised black level, poor viewing angles = piece of shit.

Why even market it as HDR device? This is on par with cheap LCD screens with "HDR support" on PC. I use OLED screens on mobile devices for like 15 years now...
 
The value declared for customs has to be the retail value for that country.
You can't declare a value and then sell for higher, that's illegal because you would be paying less taxes.
If 338$ is the retail price (and it almost matches the price of the Japanese version) , it includes manufacturing, logistics and marketing, with manufacturing being the biggest value, but marketing is usually a considerable value too.
So 200$-250$ seem reasonable.
 
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The value declared for customs has to be the retail value for that country.
You can't declare a value and then sell for higher, that's illegal because you would be paying less taxes.
If 338$ is the retail price, it includes manufacturing, logistics and marketing, with manufacturing being the biggest value, but marketing is usually a considerable value too.
So 200$-250$ seem reasonable.
Dude 338 is the manufacturing cost… Without any other costs. Read that thread…
 
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It doesn't take a genius to understand that people are being ripped off with outdated tech and they better wait for the inevitable OLED revision that will also fix all the other hardware flaws that will come out.
 
It doesn't matter, it's still not HDR.

Low contrast, raised black level, poor viewing angles = piece of shit.

Why even market it as HDR device? This is on par with cheap LCD screens with "HDR support" on PC. I use OLED screens on mobile devices for like 15 years now...
Many monitors have similar specs with HDR stamped on the box.
 
Dude 338 is the manufacturing cost… Without other cost. Read that thread…
Link the post with the detailed BoM. I'm not going to read 4 pages of posts looking for something that might not even exist.


"What is Customs Valuation?
Customs valuation is the process of determining the monetary worth of goods that are being imported or exported across international borders. This valuation is crucial for calculating the appropriate duties, taxes, and any other fees owed"

... not manufacturing costs...
 
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Personally I care zero percent for handheld gaming, but for docked mode it's hopefully good. This guy reacted to my comment on his video and he said HDR isn't great for MKW. That would really suck. A game like that would benefit so much with proper HDR.

There aren't many good sources that cover HDR in gaming, I do find him one of the few good ones.
 
338$ is the value Nintendo declares per unit for customs, not necessarily the price per unit for manufacturing + logistics.
I don't know much about how customs duties work, but my understanding was that without an official retail price (this was before the price announcement), the "declared value" can be based on the cost the importer paid to purchase the item.
 
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My guess is the 450 nits limit on the Switch 2 LCD screen is to save on battery life. 450 nits adheres to the baseline HDR400 standard, I believe, and is supposed to be kind of an entry level HDR experience.

Thankfully, the disappointment of the Switch 2 shipping with an LCD screen and with mediocre HDR is not a big deal for me as I plan to use mine mostly in docked mode, something I found hard to do with the original Switch because games looked awful upscaled with no anti-aliasing on my 55" 4K OLED TV. It is why I bought a Switch OLED so I could enjoy reasonable image quality in handheld mode at least. If Switch 2 had not supported 4K TVs then I definitely would not have bought one at launch. No matter how good LCD screens might be, they just cannot compete with a good OLED screen in my experience; those inky blacks against specular highlights in HDR are what make the games pop; you just cannot get that same effect with LCD so have to then play games in bright environments to offset the washed out grey-looking blacks you get otherwise when playing in a dark room.
 
I'd expect nothing less from Nintendo. This has nothing to do with the cost of the components. They deliberately made it shitty so they can upsell the OLED version a few years from now.

It's honestly depressing that we are still dealing with garbage ass fake HDR LCD screens in the year 2025
 
My guess is the 450 nits limit on the Switch 2 LCD screen is to save on battery life. 450 nits adheres to the baseline HDR400 standard, I believe, and is supposed to be kind of an entry level HDR experience.

Thankfully, the disappointment of the Switch 2 shipping with an LCD screen and with mediocre HDR is not a big deal for me as I plan to use mine mostly in docked mode, something I found hard to do with the original Switch because games looked awful upscaled with no anti-aliasing on my 55" 4K OLED TV. It is why I bought a Switch OLED so I could enjoy reasonable image quality in handheld mode at least. If Switch 2 had not supported 4K TVs then I definitely would not have bought one at launch. No matter how good LCD screens might be, they just cannot compete with a good OLED screen in my experience; those inky blacks against specular highlights in HDR are what make the games pop; you just cannot get that same effect with LCD so have to then play games in bright environments to offset the washed out grey-looking blacks you get otherwise when playing in a dark room.
Mine will be docked.
I don't F with portable gaming.
 
Zero shock. Expected 100% another crappy LCD handheld screen by Nintendo, well crappy in comparison to the OLED ones. Which is still definitely crappy in my books.
 
Kinda feel like people are getting lost in the reeds with the techinical aspects of the hardwear.
Nintendo isnt the Nintendo of yesteryear.

Even if it did have 4K, HDR, 120FPS etc etc. They have still become an absolute scumbag company.

 
Google AI:

"For a worthwhile HDR experience, a TV should ideally have a peak brightness of at least 600 nits. However, for a more impactful HDR experience, many recommend aiming for 1000 nits or higher, as this is the brightness level often used for HDR content mastering."

"Minimum for Entry-Level HDR:
Some sources suggest a minimum of 400 nits for entry-level HDR displays."
 
Nothingburger. I play docked only and HDR sounds the same as PS5. Switch 1 og screen is probably worse than this. Nobody cares.

Haters gonna hate. Honestly, youtubers need clicks, but all this was known by me years and years ago, so I find it kind of disingenuous to pretend is it some new revelation that might change my mind. Nintendo hasn't changed, you are just trying to hurt them when they are vulnerable and you will fail. You don't control the zeitgeist on this and the idea you would have any affect on Switch 2 sales is pure delusion.

Switch 2 will be the fastest selling console of all time and sell > 100m. You'll buy this and the OLED in a few years and no Nintendo will not give you one for free or early to review. Deal with it.
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Nothingburger. I play docked only and HDR sounds the same as PS5. Switch 1 og screen is probably worse than this. Nobody cares.

Haters gonna hate. Honestly, youtubers need clicks, but all this was known by me years and years ago, so I find it kind of disingenuous to pretend is it some new revelation that might change my mind. Nintendo hasn't changed, you are just trying to hurt them when they are vulnerable and you will fail. You don't control the zeitgeist on this and the idea you would have any affect on Switch 2 sales is pure delusion.

Switch 2 will be the fastest selling console of all time and sell > 100m. You'll buy this and the OLED in a few years and no Nintendo will not give you one for free or early to review. Deal with it.
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Nobody is saying the Switch 2 is somehow gonna die because the LCD is meh.

Simply saying...the LCD is meh.
 
Listen Nintendo folks, just because there are issues doesn't mean you cannot like or buy the damn device.

I love my wife, but her cooking sucks serious ass and I'm not going to pretend it's good just to be a fan of hers. I like the overall product that she is, but there are hardware issues that cannot be overcome. There are also software problems that can be upgraded, but probably not after 25 years, but eh, it happens.

Overall, she is a solid 7 for a life partner, but why the hell would I lie or stick my head in the sand at the faults?

The switch 2 has issues just like every other console, get off your knees, remove the pads from them, wipe your mouth and just be honest that you enjoy the product, but it is lacking in areas. Not hard at all to do.
 
I'd expect nothing less from Nintendo. This has nothing to do with the cost of the components. They deliberately made it shitty so they can upsell the OLED version a few years from now.

It's honestly depressing that we are still dealing with garbage ass fake HDR LCD screens in the year 2025
Even if so, I'll just sell my old S2 then to buy my new S2 OLED with a big fat discount.
 
how many games are going to use 120fps in handheld mode? Or g-sync? But meanwhile brightness/shitty HDR/black levels affect every game.
Actually in handheld VRR is very important. It really helps with screen tearing and you often don't have the horsepower to lock at 60 (or even 40).
 
Nothingburger. I play docked only and HDR sounds the same as PS5. Switch 1 og screen is probably worse than this. Nobody cares.

Haters gonna hate. Honestly, youtubers need clicks, but all this was known by me years and years ago, so I find it kind of disingenuous to pretend is it some new revelation that might change my mind. Nintendo hasn't changed, you are just trying to hurt them when they are vulnerable and you will fail. You don't control the zeitgeist on this and the idea you would have any affect on Switch 2 sales is pure delusion.

Switch 2 will be the fastest selling console of all time and sell > 100m. You'll buy this and the OLED in a few years and no Nintendo will not give you one for free or early to review. Deal with it.
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My smartphone is 2,600 nits, kinda funny to compare it to this 450 nit display. Shame about the raised blacks, and I've never once had an LCD screen with blacks I enjoyed.

HDR is going to be so bad on this it should be funny.
 
Nothingburger. I play docked only and HDR sounds the same as PS5. Switch 1 og screen is probably worse than this. Nobody cares.

Haters gonna hate. Honestly, youtubers need clicks, but all this was known by me years and years ago, so I find it kind of disingenuous to pretend is it some new revelation that might change my mind. Nintendo hasn't changed, you are just trying to hurt them when they are vulnerable and you will fail. You don't control the zeitgeist on this and the idea you would have any affect on Switch 2 sales is pure delusion.

Switch 2 will be the fastest selling console of all time and sell > 100m. You'll buy this and the OLED in a few years and no Nintendo will not give you one for free or early to review. Deal with it.
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Great high bar you have for Nintendo there…
 
SoC is from 2021.

It's the rumored Switch Pro rebranded to Switch 2 at the last moment.
It's your new "iPhone." Even the main menu is the exact same, like a pro console would have.

Get used to it. This is how it will be with this mobile device going forward.

But in the end, it's about the software, which I have no doubts they'll deliver as they do. But I can see people not feeling like this is a proper "generation revision" like we've been accustomed to in traditional naming conventions.
 
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VRR is arguably way more important in docked because there much more screen to see.
Absolutely. You're not going to really notice it on a small screen, which is why games running 30 or sub 30 are much more tolerable on portables than larger screens.

I'm still going back to it possibly being a latency issue with the dock setup at to why it's not there in that mode.
 
Uncle at Nintendo? Cool cool. Right right.
I mean they've doing public preview events all over the world for this thing for about a month and people have been brining their Switch (1), SteamDecks etc. to make comparisons. It not like there's a lack of content on this topic.
 
4 pages in the morning of June 5th already because FINALLY someone says something negative about the console since the misinformation wave of April 2nd Direct? Damn people were really thirsty weren't they? LMAO.

BTW I can't care less about the quality of the screen, people like and I won't use it so it's ok.
 
In any cases you need to be in pretty specific conditions to fully enjoy HDR (pure dark room, lots of times spent fine-tuning your TV and game parameters, having a game which is properly supporting it - which is not the case of a lot of games, and preferably playing on OLED screen with perfect blacks)

Once you do however, it is absolutely spectacular and feels like you just jumped in on a new gen.
 
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