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Ghost of Yotei main actress practices Kenjutsu

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PaintTinJr

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Sweet baby ......Jesus! What on earth is happening in game design, today at PlayStation with Hulst at the helm?

I've liked all of SP's games since Infamous on PS3 but they've always been very good or just good games with great stories IMHO, and in regards of GoT for me it was almost borderline below just good because the gameloop and busy work and fight controls all needed work to elevate them above an average AC game.

The original game IMO wasn't good enough to change out the main character, and this anti-climax reveal all feels like Deja vu when Raiden was shown as the playable character in Son's of Liberty and missed totally, and I say that as someone that is really looking forward to season 2 of the Blue Eye Samurai because the character story was built that way and integral to the motivations of the lead character and the story....not retconned for woke inclusion reasoning as it very much appears here, which is a shame because gameplay wise the game looks like it remains just good with degraded story and next-gen graphics, so is probably a pass for me, now.
 

DryvBy

Member
Sweet baby ......Jesus! What on earth is happening in game design, today at PlayStation with Hulst at the helm?

I've liked all of SP's games since Infamous on PS3 but they've always been very good or just good games with great stories IMHO, and in regards of GoT for me it was almost borderline below just good because the gameloop and busy work and fight controls all needed work to elevate them above an average AC game.

The original game IMO wasn't good enough to change out the main character, and this anti-climax reveal all feels like Deja vu when Raiden was shown as the playable character in Son's of Liberty and missed totally, and I say that as someone that is really looking forward to season 2 of the Blue Eye Samurai because the character story was built that way and integral to the motivations of the lead character and the story....not retconned for woke inclusion reasoning as it very much appears here, which is a shame because gameplay wise the game looks like it remains just good with degraded story and next-gen graphics, so is probably a pass for me, now.
What is the game is "woke"?
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
I think people have a legitimate reason to worry about this game when the voice actors/actresses and model of the female character in the sequel are the same as the voice actors/actresses from the body type 2 player character in the new Dragon Age game.

I think I wrote that all the right way...
At least they didn't model her in that way. A plus in that regards.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Her. Female. Ovulating bleeder. Woman.

Fox Tv Crying GIF by ScreamQueens
 

killatopak

Member
Concord was woke/GaaS, Sp2 is woke, HD2 is GaaS. TloU remake and DS are based on 2009/2013 games so they couldn't change that much. Astrobot is for kids?

I think we have to look to the future, they started this just ~2 years ago so most games released in between 2020-2024 were still based on previous strategy.

I highlighted HD2 and Concord for a reason. They're so far apart in their ideology. They were released months apart. That establishes that it's not a given that their game are woke. If you think 2020-2024 are still part of their previous strategy then there's no reason for Concord to exist if that's the case. Same year release date. Anything beyond what we have now is just speculation.

Does being a remake/remaster stop them from changing stuff? Even Dead Space changed stuff to be more inclusive like having an all gender bathroom, raceswapping and making characters lesbian, bi or gay. Doesn't affect the game for me personally but they are changes. For the record, there was an outcry for the TLOU remake as well for making women ugly and such. I don't really care about it but it is there.

Do you honestly believe just because it's a kid's game they are immune to being affected by either ideology? I'll introduce you to Roblox.
 
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PaintTinJr

Member
What in the game is "woke"?
Inclusion for inclusion's sake.

From the video reveal - if I'm not mistaken - the Ghost is wearing the same outfit as the Ghost from the previous game. A game that for 'reasons' can logically be centred around Yomei and could have logically have been with GoT main character, so much so that it IMHO is almost guaranteed to look like forced writing that ends up with GoY main character being a female Ronin, therefore being IMO inclusion for inclusion's sake (woke).
 
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Kurotri

Member
This is so weird. I woke up to this trailer today which was a nice surprise, and I was absolutely floored and fully onboard with what they are going for. I waited years for this stupid trailer. Then I come to Gaf and to my surprise everybody is throwing shit at each other for the MC being a woman. One of the few times I felt genuinely disconnected from this place lol. Sure the actress seems to be a teeny tiny little bit insane but there's nothing about their vision that would be of consequence to my enjoyment. I have full faith in Sucker Punch delivering an awesome revenge story with Atsu.
 

Natsuko

Member
That is good to know. So let us not pretend that recreational archery, or even Olympic archery are martial arts.
Because they are not. They are merely toys, that would do little to no damage in a medieval battlefield.



When trying to pierce armour, even if it's just chainmail over a gamberson, every pound of force is important.
That us why hunting bows had lower draw weights and thinner arrows. Because animal don't use armour.
For an Ashigaru, the lowest range for draw weight is 70 pounds, which is still a lot. And this is for a movement of opening the arms. Not a mere dead weight lift.
For any person, to use a war bow, it would require years of intense training. Not only to develop the proper technique, but also to develop the muscles in the proper areas of the body.
Modern man are overall stronger than men in medieval times. And taller and healthier. But modern men don't train for years, to develop the technique and the required muscles for a war bow.



War bows have become obsolete for centuries, even in Japan. So no one trains with them, except for history enthusiasts.
And distance means nothing for a war bow. What matters is foot-pounds on impact.

Now you can show me where exactly I wrote olympic recurve is part of martial arts. Did I even mentioned olympic recurve? I personally am not interested in this part of archery. I shoot traditional.

The fact that these bows do little damage has nothing to do with the bows per se but with the tips of the arrows. There is a reason why broadheads are used for hunting. In target archery, the purpose is not to kill something, but to hit a target. Broadheads would only shorten the life of the target. Today, archery is mainly practised as target archery.

Recurve with sights, barebow and compound are nevertheless still used for hunting today. Even for larger animals such as bears. Where it's still permitted.

As you say, war bows are shot by some enthusiasts. And they usually use field points too. Whether war bow or other bow ... the more draw weight, the more damage the bow can do, even with a field point. You don't need many pounds to easily shoot into wood and the like even with a field point. And even for hunting, there are primarily ethical reasons why the minimum limit is often around 50 pounds.

If you don't want to shoot a bear, less pounds will do. A bow with less draw weight will also shoot smaller animals and also something like deer. The bow is not just a question of strength but of technique. A good hunter would also shoot many animals with 30 pounds. The problem with bowhunting is more human arrogance, people who think a headshot is better than aiming for the larger lungs and the like.

No bow is an effective weapon today. A firearm is simply superior to a bow. Bows are slow in comparison and even if you were shooting with 120 pounds it wouldn't matter. Against a firearm that can fire quickly, it's just a toy. You won't even find bows in our weapon laws. They are considered to be toys and sports equipment and are freely available for sale.

But the starting point was the post by OP, who posted a video of the actress playing the new protagonist. And I only reacted to that and pointed out that there was nothing wrong with it. There are some women who train martial arts and the like, compete in competitions etc. Even in conservative countries like Japan. There is nothing wrong with the actress (or them, what does the person identify as?) training with a weapon.

About the game: I'm not so interested in whether it's a woman or a man. Would I have needed a woman? No. Does it have to be a drama? No. Much more interesting is how they present her story. I would assume something like an onna-musha served as a reference.

It will be interesting to see whether they rework the gameplay for the new protagonist and give her a typical weapon like the naginata. Or increase the focus on stealth. I don't disagree with you that women are simply physically weaker per se. It's simply biology. But it's also a fact that we know almost nothing about the new game and whether they will perhaps rework the gameplay accordingly.

What we do know is that the game is set in the Edo period. At that time, the Onna-musha no longer played such a big role, but perhaps it is one of the few that remain? There is a lot of discussion here about samurai, a woman's physical strength and the like. In the Edo period, however, the focus of the samurai was no longer so much on warfare. So who says they let the woman fight against an army of samurai?

There were at least women among the Onna-musha who practised kenjutsu during this period. So far, there is nothing completely wrong with the depiction in the game. According to the announcement for the game, the new region is also far away from organised samurai clans. The first part was historically solid, although there was also enough pure fiction. And the female characters in the predecessor weren't badly realised or overrepresented either. So we can hope that they can a) create a believable female protagonist here and b) once again create a good mix of fiction and a believable game world. A woman per se doesn't have to be a problem if they portray her appropriately.

The Edo period is considered a peaceful era. We had a major war as the basis for the plot of the predecessor. Perhaps it will be more intrigue on a smaller scale here? After all, we are starting at the beginning of the Edo period and are in a state of change. Maybe they're use Christianity in Japan for the background, which was banned shortly after the start of the Edo period in Japan. Who knows, maybe even the Shogun book series served as inspiration.

We currently have no idea whether we will simply get a sword-wielding super pseudo-samurai girlboss. So let´s see.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
This is so weird. I woke up to this trailer today which was a nice surprise, and I was absolutely floored and fully onboard with what they are going for. I waited years for this stupid trailer. Then I come to Gaf and to my surprise everybody is throwing shit at each other for the MC being a woman. One of the few times I felt genuinely disconnected from this place lol. Sure the actress seems to be a teeny tiny little bit insane but there's nothing about their vision that would be of consequence to my enjoyment. I have full faith in Sucker Punch delivering an awesome revenge story with Atsu.

Welcome to the culture wars. Where you are NOT allowed to like anything or be happy about anything. Everything you buy and consume, must involve politics on some level. TAKE A STAND!!!!
 
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winjer

Gold Member
Now you can show me where exactly I wrote olympic recurve is part of martial arts. Did I even mentioned olympic recurve? I personally am not interested in this part of archery. I shoot traditional.

Me talking about Olympic bows was just a tangent.
But the point is that most Olympic disciplines are not martial arts. Another great example of this is fencing.

The fact that these bows do little damage has nothing to do with the bows per se but with the tips of the arrows. There is a reason why broadheads are used for hunting. In target archery, the purpose is not to kill something, but to hit a target. Broadheads would only shorten the life of the target. Today, archery is mainly practised as target archery.

The tips make only a small difference in war bows, as they maximize how the impact is dealt. For a war bow, against armor, probably the best option would be a Bodkin head.
But that is just one part of the equation. The power of a war bow comes from it's draw weight and the arrows with a significantly bigger shaft.

Recurve with sights, barebow and compound are nevertheless still used for hunting today. Even for larger animals such as bears. Where it's still permitted.

As you say, war bows are shot by some enthusiasts. And they usually use field points too. Whether war bow or other bow ... the more draw weight, the more damage the bow can do, even with a field point. You don't need many pounds to easily shoot into wood and the like even with a field point. And even for hunting, there are primarily ethical reasons why the minimum limit is often around 50 pounds.

If you don't want to shoot a bear, less pounds will do. A bow with less draw weight will also shoot smaller animals and also something like deer. The bow is not just a question of strength but of technique. A good hunter would also shoot many animals with 30 pounds. The problem with bowhunting is more human arrogance, people who think a headshot is better than aiming for the larger lungs and the like.

Hunting bows, even in medieval times had lower draw weights, and lighter arrows than war bows. Simply because animals don't use armour.

No bow is an effective weapon today. A firearm is simply superior to a bow. Bows are slow in comparison and even if you were shooting with 120 pounds it wouldn't matter. Against a firearm that can fire quickly, it's just a toy. You won't even find bows in our weapon laws. They are considered to be toys and sports equipment and are freely available for sale.

But the starting point was the post by OP, who posted a video of the actress playing the new protagonist. And I only reacted to that and pointed out that there was nothing wrong with it. There are some women who train martial arts and the like, compete in competitions etc. Even in conservative countries like Japan. There is nothing wrong with the actress (or them, what does the person identify as?) training with a weapon.

The point we were talking about is the use of recreational bows, as some sort of simile of war bows.
But these are very different, in draw weight, built, technique, arrows, heads, etc.

The reality is that a war bow was one of the most difficult weapons to use. So saying any women, or even man could use one, is just wrong.
Weapons like the swords and polearms, required much less strength to use effectively. And could have been use by a broader population, including women.

The point about fire weapons is even better, as these require even less strength and training to use. Meaning they could be used in battle by anyone. And these are also martial arts.
In fact, rifle training is more of a martial art than things like karate or kung fu, by the simple fact that rifles are used more extensively in warfare.
And for those don't don't understand why I say this, it's because the word "martial" derives from Mars, the god of war. So a martial art is the art of war. And rifles have been dominant in war for the last few centuries.

About the game: I'm not so interested in whether it's a woman or a man. Would I have needed a woman? No. Does it have to be a drama? No. Much more interesting is how they present her story. I would assume something like an onna-musha served as a reference.

It will be interesting to see whether they rework the gameplay for the new protagonist and give her a typical weapon like the naginata. Or increase the focus on stealth. I don't disagree with you that women are simply physically weaker per se. It's simply biology. But it's also a fact that we know almost nothing about the new game and whether they will perhaps rework the gameplay accordingly.

What we do know is that the game is set in the Edo period. At that time, the Onna-musha no longer played such a big role, but perhaps it is one of the few that remain? There is a lot of discussion here about samurai, a woman's physical strength and the like. In the Edo period, however, the focus of the samurai was no longer so much on warfare. So who says they let the woman fight against an army of samurai?

There were at least women among the Onna-musha who practised kenjutsu during this period. So far, there is nothing completely wrong with the depiction in the game. According to the announcement for the game, the new region is also far away from organised samurai clans. The first part was historically solid, although there was also enough pure fiction. And the female characters in the predecessor weren't badly realised or overrepresented either. So we can hope that they can a) create a believable female protagonist here and b) once again create a good mix of fiction and a believable game world. A woman per se doesn't have to be a problem if they portray her appropriately.

The Edo period is considered a peaceful era. We had a major war as the basis for the plot of the predecessor. Perhaps it will be more intrigue on a smaller scale here? After all, we are starting at the beginning of the Edo period and are in a state of change. Maybe they're use Christianity in Japan for the background, which was banned shortly after the start of the Edo period in Japan. Who knows, maybe even the Shogun book series served as inspiration.

We currently have no idea whether we will simply get a sword-wielding super pseudo-samurai girlboss. So let´s see.

I never said anything about the game, it's setting, or the character.
My point was always about war bows.
 

Trilobit

Absolutely Cozy
This is so weird. I woke up to this trailer today which was a nice surprise, and I was absolutely floored and fully onboard with what they are going for. I waited years for this stupid trailer. Then I come to Gaf and to my surprise everybody is throwing shit at each other for the MC being a woman. One of the few times I felt genuinely disconnected from this place lol. Sure the actress seems to be a teeny tiny little bit insane but there's nothing about their vision that would be of consequence to my enjoyment. I have full faith in Sucker Punch delivering an awesome revenge story with Atsu.

It will cool down eventually. Some of us are more sensitive to hints of wokeness than others, but the game will most likely be great.

Here's a good thing I found on her twitter, and something many people have tried bringing up in the debate about AC: Shadows and how Japanese criticism against it is met with mockery and accusations:

LIhSKE7.png


Anti-Asian, including against the men, sentiment is still alive in the west and is something that should get more attention. Especially in Hollywood where barely any Asian main characters seem to exist.
 

Trilobit

Absolutely Cozy
She should hear what the Japanese did at the same time in their camps. To whites, blacks, American Indians, Koreans, Chinese, etc., you know, everyone not Japanese.

Oh, she is probably well aware of Japanese history, but I think she's more focused on Asian-Americans in her post. Many of the Americans with Japanese ancestry were turned into vile enemies despite not having done anything.
 

Kokoloko85

Member
Probably more like GTA then, same world different locations, times and protagonists.

I still think they will go back and do a Ghost of Tsushima 2, I don't think this stops that happening in the future. Also the longer they leave it the more excuse they'll have to remaster GoT for PS6 ahead of GoT2 release :messenger_beaming:
Yeah I look forward to seeing how Jin handled all the shit he ended up with plus a bigger Monghol invasion
 

Arsic

Loves his juicy stink trail scent
She is an actress, not the game director. So her opinions dont matter, honestly.

She voiced many characters before in games that people here didnt boycott for being woke.

If the game turns out to be woke or whatever, its on Suckerpunch writters to blame.
Yeah I don’t care who she is in IRL. As long as none of that seeps into the game we are good.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Oh, she is probably well aware of Japanese history, but I think she's more focused on Asian-Americans in her post. Many of the Americans with Japanese ancestry were turned into vile enemies despite not having done anything.
Yeah, same/same during a time of war in that era almost a century ago. One however committed atrocities that would make Mengele blush in contrast. Japanese people are no longer treated this way in current year. Hell, we romanticize them now. Their past and their present.
 

xiskza

Member
At least her in game model looks like an actual woman, so that's a plus these days...

I dont get woke vibes from it, since its not a direct sequel to Tsushima. If they're gonna keep telling different Ghost stories, then they'll probably change protagonists with every game.
 

Aenima

Member
At least her in game model looks like an actual woman, so that's a plus these days...

I dont get woke vibes from it, since its not a direct sequel to Tsushima. If they're gonna keep telling different Ghost stories, then they'll probably change protagonists with every game.
The rare ocasion in western dev, where the ingame model actually looks better than the real person.
 

xiskza

Member
Yeah, same/same during a time of war in that era almost a century ago. One however committed atrocities that would make Mengele blush in contrast. Japanese people are no longer treated this way in current year. Hell, we romanticize them now. Their past and their present.

There is quite a bit of rise in anti-asian crimes being committed in recent years in the US, but since its being done at the hands of another minority, it goes largely untalked about in the media beyond vague and superficial anti-racism stances that dont expose the root of the issue.
 

vpance

Member
It will cool down eventually. Some of us are more sensitive to hints of wokeness than others, but the game will most likely be great.

Here's a good thing I found on her twitter, and something many people have tried bringing up in the debate about AC: Shadows and how Japanese criticism against it is met with mockery and accusations:

LIhSKE7.png


Anti-Asian, including against the men, sentiment is still alive in the west and is something that should get more attention. Especially in Hollywood where barely any Asian main characters seem to exist.

Maybe it would have been a good opportunity to cast an Asian man in this role then? 🤷‍♂️
 

Natsuko

Member
Me talking about Olympic bows was just a tangent.
But the point is that most Olympic disciplines are not martial arts. Another great example of this is fencing.



The tips make only a small difference in war bows, as they maximize how the impact is dealt. For a war bow, against armor, probably the best option would be a Bodkin head.
But that is just one part of the equation. The power of a war bow comes from it's draw weight and the arrows with a significantly bigger shaft.



Hunting bows, even in medieval times had lower draw weights, and lighter arrows than war bows. Simply because animals don't use armour.



The point we were talking about is the use of recreational bows, as some sort of simile of war bows.
But these are very different, in draw weight, built, technique, arrows, heads, etc.

The reality is that a war bow was one of the most difficult weapons to use. So saying any women, or even man could use one, is just wrong.
Weapons like the swords and polearms, required much less strength to use effectively. And could have been use by a broader population, including women.

The point about fire weapons is even better, as these require even less strength and training to use. Meaning they could be used in battle by anyone. And these are also martial arts.
In fact, rifle training is more of a martial art than things like karate or kung fu, by the simple fact that rifles are used more extensively in warfare.
And for those don't don't understand why I say this, it's because the word "martial" derives from Mars, the god of war. So a martial art is the art of war. And rifles have been dominant in war for the last few centuries.



I never said anything about the game, it's setting, or the character.
My point was always about war bows.

By the way, I only mentioned bows because I just had the example to hand. Just watched it last night. The initial question was about the actress's training. I don't find the video particularly impressive, but there's nothing unusual about it. I don't know the person. I don't know whether this is a regular part of this person's posts or not. Otherwise it could also be for the game. The style would certainly fit ( for an onna-musha?).

Hardly anyone shoots warbows these days, male or female, as I said too. But that's not surprising. People had a different reality of life in the past. The amount of training that these people had to put in is something that hardly anyone today can fit into their lives. Job, family and co. don't allow this for many people.

I shoot traditionally and am on the higher side with the draw weight for women at our club. But that's only possible because I've been lifting weights for years and have adapted my training for archery and I have the opportunity to shoot my bow at home. And I do that at least 4 to 5 days a week. The club training time alone would be far too little.

Nowadays, training times are usually very limited in clubs. It just corresponds to the reality of life in our modern society. When I was a child, I trained in another sport and we had training sessions as a club on 5 days. You don't find that often today outside of competitive sport. In the past, people were trained as children for future wars.

In traditionally archery there is a lot that you have to learn with personal dedication. It is hardly ever taught. My next bow will be a Kaya that I want to shoot using the thumb technique. No instructor at our club teaches that. Even barebow and longbow are rather unpopular. It is already difficult to buy traditional bows today. Whether it's a war bow or something else. It is much easier if you want to shoot compound or recurve. In some clubs you are not even allowed to shoot with a war bow that has a lot of draw weight.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
She should hear what the Japanese did at the same time in their camps. To whites, blacks, American Indians, Koreans, Chinese, etc., you know, everyone not Japanese.

The Japanese you are referring to are the Japanese from Imperial Japan. The Japanese she is referring to are the legal American citizens of Japanese descent who were locked up unconstitutionally. Two different nationalities.

Yeah, same/same during a time of war in that era almost a century ago. One however committed atrocities that would make Mengele blush in contrast. Japanese people are no longer treated this way in current year. Hell, we romanticize them now. Their past and their present.

There are no more remnants of Imperial Japan. Their power structures were destroyed and remade. Their god emperor was neutered. Culturally, modern day Japanese people are very anti-war. While the white-washing of problematic Japanese history is an issue within the Japanese education system, the capability and desire for Japan to wage war on that scale has been nerfed to the ground.

On the other hand, the Supreme Court case that "legalized" the capture and detainment of an entire population based on race was only overturned 6 years ago. The sentiment and legal avenues that could theoretically lead to a repeat of this history are still in place. Lessened, of course, but still in place. Japan would have to rewrite their constitution to go to war offensively again.

Both the subjects of comparison, and the contexts surrounding the comparison are different. The only major point of similarity are the two group's ethnic background, which should be irrelevant in this case. She represents Americans, not Japanese people, so the "what about Japan?" argument is moot.
 
Holy Shit! I know why they hire these freaking activists, but my God, why??

Anyways, everything boils down to the writers. Voice actors don't get much of a say in what they are acting......
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
There is quite a bit of rise in anti-asian crimes being committed in recent years in the US, but since its being done at the hands of another minority, it goes largely untalked about in the media beyond vague and superficial anti-racism stances that dont expose the root of the issue.
Exactly, and we known the predominant demographics commuting these crimes. Same demographic towards Jews.

But slacktivists like her won't address that elephant in the room. She will gloss over it to find the great white unicorn and blame "whiteness."

The Japanese you are referring to are the Japanese from Imperial Japan. The Japanese she is referring to are the legal American citizens of Japanese descent who were locked up unconstitutionally. Two different nationalities.
No shit, that's how war was back then in majority of the countries at war. That no longer happens today.

As for the "racism" against Japanese or Asians of today, see my response and the quote above. Elephants in the room and all that malarkey.
 
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Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
No shit, that's how war was back then in majority of the countries at war. That no longer happens today.
That's not the point. The point was that the "What about Japan?" counterpoint doesn't work with this argument because she's not representing Japanese citizens. She's representing American citizens and talking about American on American violence.

As for the "racism" against Japanese or Asians of today, see my response and the quote above. Elephants in the room and all that malarkey.

Exactly, and we known the predominant demographics commuting these crimes. Same demographic towards Jews.

But slacktivists like her won't address that elephant in the room. She will gloss over it to find the great white unicorn and blame "whiteness."

I did a ctrl+f on the hyperlink and the only occurrence of "white" was in the word "white house". I am not familiar enough with her past tweets or statements to know if she primarily blames "whiteness".
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
She should hear what the Japanese did at the same time in their camps. To whites, blacks, American Indians, Koreans, Chinese, etc., you know, everyone not Japanese.
Correct. As deplorable as it was, the internment camp was an act of desperation in a TOTAL WAR, against an enemy capable of atrocities that simply beggar the imagination. The Japanese DID use spies in America and in Hawaii and relocating Japanese in the west would eliminate potential sources of cover for such agents. Was it the right thing to do? Probably not, at least from a moral perspective, but was it the most efficient way to resolve the problem on the eve of entering the war? Possibly. Also remember it was a response to a SURPRISE ATTACK by Japan, not a prelude to aggression on the part of the US, so an over-reaction, from the government and from the civilian population, is to be expected, particularly when it was 'only' 100k or so affected in a war that involved the mobilizations of MILLIONS.

Anyway, not sure there is much room to claim hand-wringing on her part, that particular sin has been redressed decades ago. Though March 21 when she made that post was probably in the middle of the "wave of anti-asian" violence that they tried to make a thing but wasn't really a thing to distract from Wuhan so she was just waving her virtue signal flag.
 
I am totally shocked at this reveleation!

If there is any iota of trans whoke crap in Ghost 2 game, then Fuck Sony and their trans machine. I won't be supporting this pathetic crap. Let's see how the game transpires next year.
 

ShirAhava

Plays with kids toys, in the adult gaming world
I have zero problem with this Sucker Punch are massively overrated none of their games are over a 6.5/10....IMO....studios I don't enjoy can be as woke as they want lol
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
Maybe it would have been a good opportunity to cast an Asian man in this role then? 🤷‍♂️
Were the stunt actors in the pink and yellow Power Rangers outfits women? Other than wanting a bit of swish in the walk, not sure it really matters if it's a male or female doing the mo-cap fight stuff, so long as they are good at it. I doubt this new game will have the lead do any strongly feminine things like a geisha dance or whatever, if that would even be appropriate for the time period.
 

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
She is an actress, not the game director. So her opinions dont matter, honestly.

She voiced many characters before in games that people here didnt boycott for being woke.

If the game turns out to be woke or whatever, its on Suckerpunch writters to blame.
Agreed. We have had crazy woke people participate in entertainment medium and still be good. Example: Emma D’Arcy in House of the Dragon is as woke absurd ridiculous as it can get, but she has played her part in the show well.

I am not crazy about putting these weirdos in these games and it does damper my enthusiasm a little bit, but I will wait and see.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Though March 21 when she made that post was probably in the middle of the "wave of anti-asian" violence that they tried to make a thing but wasn't really a thing to distract from Wuhan so she was just waving her virtue signal flag.
That "wave of anti-Asian" violence narrative fizzled out fast when the perpetrators kept being the same demographic. They could not find their one unicorn.
 
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We need the eastern Devs to step up.

Nothing wrong with a female lead but her twitter tells us something deeper, why hire these loonies ffs. Just get a normal female.
 

vpance

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Were the stunt actors in the pink and yellow Power Rangers outfits women? Other than wanting a bit of swish in the walk, not sure it really matters if it's a male or female doing the mo-cap fight stuff, so long as they are good at it. I doubt this new game will have the lead do any strongly feminine things like a geisha dance or whatever, if that would even be appropriate for the time period.

What I meant to say was it would have been nice to make the actual game character an Asian man. Jin was a good and sensible move. Taking the very next opportunity to fall back to the diverse option is just falling in line with the trend.

The person doing the VO or mocap I agree can be whoever though.
 

GymWolf

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She’s gross. Lol.

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Not gonna lie, i like her energy in this gif, she looks like a wwe wrestler :lollipop_squinting:

Way better than her trying to show her swordmanship :lollipop_grinning_sweat:

Hopefully she is not gonna be as serious and dull as jin, i would like her being half crazy like deacon or something:lollipop_grinning_sweat:
 
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OGM_Madness

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Japan can’t catch a break with these Ninja/Samurai games, huh?

First, AC Shadows and now Yotei having a gay lead…

It’s like one bomb after another.
 

Bernardougf

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This is so weird. I woke up to this trailer today which was a nice surprise, and I was absolutely floored and fully onboard with what they are going for. I waited years for this stupid trailer. Then I come to Gaf and to my surprise everybody is throwing shit at each other for the MC being a woman. One of the few times I felt genuinely disconnected from this place lol. Sure the actress seems to be a teeny tiny little bit insane but there's nothing about their vision that would be of consequence to my enjoyment. I have full faith in Sucker Punch delivering an awesome revenge story with Atsu.
I think people are just tired of girl bosses in games (media in general) and more than that the skepticism towards Sony games turning to "wokeness" is prettt valid at this point... I understand anyone who couldn't give two shits about all this and just enjoy their sequel/spin off ... but its unfair to say that the ones complaining or worried about this decision are completely without reason.

Both sides can be right at this particular case.

But Right now we have two samurai/japan themed games coming out 2025.. one with girl ninja and black hiphop music samurai and the other with probably sony signature lesbian girl boss...
 
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Heisenberg007

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This is so weird. I woke up to this trailer today which was a nice surprise, and I was absolutely floored and fully onboard with what they are going for. I waited years for this stupid trailer. Then I come to Gaf and to my surprise everybody is throwing shit at each other for the MC being a woman. One of the few times I felt genuinely disconnected from this place lol. Sure the actress seems to be a teeny tiny little bit insane but there's nothing about their vision that would be of consequence to my enjoyment. I have full faith in Sucker Punch delivering an awesome revenge story with Atsu.
Pretty much this.

Instead of celebrating a pretty awesome trailer and (most likely) an amazing game that we'll get to play soon, a bunch of people here are complaining about things that may very well not be true at all.

As the old saying goes, "a fly always picks the dirtiest spot."
 
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