Ghost of Yotei tops IGN's most anticipated game poll

Danjin44 said:
I'm not in to Ghost of Yotei but I'm not sure what part of is "woke".

I'm not in to playing as "ugly" characters but even that alone doesn't make the game "woke".

I feel like people here going too overboard calling everthing they dont like "woke".......Its okay not like something but stop calling everthing "woke".
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In my opinion the protag isnt actually ugly and she is actually quite attractive. She just has 0 make up on because she's a stone cold assassin murdering demon.

But then I realised I couldnt give a fuck what my protag "looks" like. I remember reading about returnals backlash because she wasn't attractive. Game is sci fi brilliance in gaming format....why do I need my super scientist doctor lady to be hot....

I won't ever understand it.

Dont get me wrong. Im not against awesome stellar blade tits and ass either.
 
Buggy Loop said:
It is good don't get me wrong, just laughably voted to #1 game of all time is what I'm poking fun at.

Its actually one of the few Playstation PC ported games I spent time finishing it and almost doing everything, I'm missing achievements here that I did not hunt and its probably related to end game armor farming that I got bored of when I saw what it required to do, some zone iirc I had to farm, I was done with the game at that point.

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But I wish they would port the older God of war games. Haven't bought Ragnarok yet, not sure I want to with the feedback it got but maybe one day.
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Its literally just more God of war 2018?
 
What happened to the whole internet thing 'Ghost of Tsushima is the greatest of them all and should have won Goty, and no I'm not saying that because I hate TLOU 2, that woke game that offends me' opinion all over the internet. Feels like those people are having some form of seizure.

Anyways, Tsushima is a polished ubi game and so will this probably.
 
DenchDeckard said:
In my opinion the protag isnt actually ugly and she is actually quite attractive. She just has 0 make up on because she's a stone cold assassin murdering demon.

But then I realised I couldnt give a fuck what my protag "looks" like. I remember reading about returnals backlash because she wasn't attractive. Game is sci fi brilliance in gaming format....why do I need my super scientist doctor lady to be hot....

I won't ever understand it.

Dont get me wrong. Im not against awesome stellar blade tits and ass either.
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oh yeah there were a lot of people claiming Returnal was 'woke' before it came out, I had forgotten about that
 
DenchDeckard said:
why do I need my super scientist doctor lady to be hot....

I won't ever understand it.
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And why do I need my super scientist doctor lady to be ugly….

I won't ever understand that.

If you're a character designer and you're designing a main protagonist for a video game and you're deliberately tweaking your design to make someone look uglier. What exactly is your reasoning at that point? To me it makes no sense at all.
 
Fess said:
And why do I need my super scientist doctor lady to be ugly….

I won't ever understand that.

If you're a character designer and you're designing a main protagonist for a video game and you're deliberately tweaking your design to make someone look uglier. What exactly is your reasoning at that point? To me it makes no sense at all.
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Maybe they didnt make her uglier they just had a person or actor in mind for the character?

It depends on what the team is looking for, for their game.

If they are making a sexy game have a sexy protag. The reality is. The last thing a woman reliving life after life on an alien planet is going to be thinking about is doing her make up.
 
DenchDeckard said:
The reality is. The last thing a woman reliving life after life on an alien planet is going to be thinking about is doing her make up.
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It's fiction, the woman isn't real, she don't have to do any makeup, devs are just pulling triangles on a 3D model and add textures and then for no logic reason decide to make a character less appealing to look at than they could.
It's like if you would design a sports car and then you choose to make it ugly. Like, why???
 
Fess said:
It's fiction, the woman isn't real, she don't have to do any makeup, devs are just pulling triangles on a 3D model and add textures and then for no logic reason decide to make a character less appealing to look at than they could.
It's like if you would design a sports car and then you choose to make it ugly. Like, why???
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Because a creator doesn't have to cater to man-childs like you.
 
ecosse_011172 said:
"definitely "
LOL.
Sure, the only possible reason to have wimmin in video games, apart from perving over them, is to "tick a box".
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Considering how the main character of Sony 1st party single player games is now a woman in most of the games (TLOU2, Horizon, Intergalactic, Ghost of Yotei, Returnal) how else would you explain it?
Aside of God of War, which of their current 1st party game has a male main character? (Astro Bot is kinda genderless).
 
Pedro Motta said:
Because a creator doesn't have to cater to man-childs like you.
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lol and how's that going? We've seen the west stumble over their own feet catering to a tiny group of people for a decade now. "The industry is in trouble", that's what we hear about now. But is that true? What if people just aren't interested in the games and characters and themes presented to them?

The reality is that games needs to sell and the majority of people still want nice things to look at, no matter what it's about. Beauty, sex-appeal, nice designs, any form of eye-candy really - it's all going to increase interest from the majority of people. You may not like it and go around calling everyone man-child or whatever but this is how it is.
 
Fess said:
lol and how's that going? We've seen the west stumble over their own feet catering to a tiny group of people for a decade now. "The industry is in trouble", that's what we hear about now. But is that true? What if people just aren't interested in the games and characters and themes presented to them?

The reality is that games needs to sell and the majority of people still want nice things to look at, no matter what it's about. Beauty, sex-appeal, nice designs, any form of eye-candy really - it's all going to increase interest from the majority of people. You may not like it and go around calling everyone man-child or whatever but this is how it is.
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My theory is if you reduce gooner-factor, you reduce drawing ire, which in return reduces the risk of formal scrutiny, which then reduces the risk of having your publisher's predatory monetization brought under serious question from governments. When has anything not been about money ever?

Uggos in games is publisher stealth coating. /s

Or the more boring and realistic reason is it's entirely up to creatives, what they think is in vogue (lol), and if they think it'll appeal to audiences, it's their prerogative entirely. As long as they post big profits, whatever goes.

Back to the OP though, I think IGN is being a little too obvious here (Ziff Davis & Sony very cozy?), 121k views gameplay trailer? Bro Black Ops 7 pretty much got 50 000 000 views, those will likely be players too. The Yotei game doesn't look anything special, just an ultra-violent grandma with a sword game. Didn't Dunkey joke about all these lady with sword games recently? Like, forget about creative direction for a second and worry about design creative bankruptcy instead.

Outside of "big games" I think BF6 could make the biggest splash, despite the annoying shilling it at least seems to have a heart.

Also, as others have pointed out, how the hell is Metroid not on that list? Think the list is just a shitty ad for that Yotai game, honestly.

 
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Killjoy-NL said:
But the games sell, whether you like it or not.

Except maybe Returnal, but I doubt it has much to do with havibg an 'ugly' female MC.
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Everything is selling less than they could when they don't go for any form of eye-candy. And nobody should be surprised at this, it may be sad but it's just how it is. It's been like a rule for 100 years in music and movies. Without any visual appeal you have to be so much better than everyone else at everything else for people to even care.

And I guarantee that Returnal would've sold better with a hot Samus-like character. Gameplaywise it's Sony's best game. Sold what, 3 million? It's a travesty tbh
 
Ar¢tos said:
Considering how the main character of Sony 1st party single player games is now a woman in most of the games (TLOU2, Horizon, Intergalactic, Ghost of Yotei, Returnal) how else would you explain it?
Aside of God of War, which of their current 1st party game has a male main character? (Astro Bot is kinda genderless).
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TLOU is probably dead, they had one game with both genders (but most gameplay was male) and one game with female leads.
Horizon has a very popular female character.
God of War is a long series of male characters.
Ghost Series had one game with male, 1 coming up with female.
Intergalactic isn't out yet.
Spiderman is male, Wolverine is male, Ratchet is (Lombax) male.

Sony published PS5 games:
Lost Soul Aside - Male
Rise of the Ronin - you choose
Days Gone - male
Stellar Blade - female ( but this female is fine for some reason).


We went from decades of games having 90% male protagonists, now it's much closer to 50%, I really haven't a clue why this is a bad thing but it's pointless talking about it here.
 
ecosse_011172 said:
TLOU is probably dead, they had one game with both genders (but most gameplay was male) and one game with female leads.
Horizon has a very popular female character.
God of War is a long series of male characters.
Ghost Series had one game with male, 1 coming up with female.
Intergalactic isn't out yet.
Spiderman is male, Wolverine is male, Ratchet is (Lombax) male.

Sony published PS5 games:
Lost Soul Aside - Male
Rise of the Ronin - you choose
Days Gone - male
Stellar Blade - female ( but this female is fine for some reason).


We went from decades of games having 90% male protagonists, now it's much closer to 50%, I really haven't a clue why this is a bad thing but it's pointless talking about it here.
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Published game =/ 1st party...
Otherwise COD would be a 1st party Sony game since Sony published a few of them in Japan...
 
Fess said:
Everything is selling less than they could when they don't go for any form of eye-candy. And nobody should be surprised at this, it may be sad but it's just how it is. It's been like a rule for 100 years in music and movies. Without any visual appeal you have to be so much better than everyone else at everything else for people to even care.

And I guarantee that Returnal would've sold better with a hot Samus-like character. Gameplaywise it's Sony's best game. Sold what, 3 million? It's a travesty tbh
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You also have to factor in all sequels released this gen have been released during the pandemic and extreme shortages for PS5.
 
That list is lying... I'm more eager to play Silent Hill F and Pokémon Legends than Ghost of Tsushima.

I mean, I'm not even interested in Ghost of Tsushima.
 
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Fess said:
It's fiction, the woman isn't real, she don't have to do any makeup, devs are just pulling triangles on a 3D model and add textures and then for no logic reason decide to make a character less appealing to look at than they could.
It's like if you would design a sports car and then you choose to make it ugly. Like, why???
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Im saying. Make the sexy action game. Do the stellar ass and tits game. I love it. Give me Xenoblade 2 characters. I couldnt care.

But it goes the other way too. Returnal wouldn't be a better game if the girl was hot. It might have more mainstream appeal, if thats what your looking for, but mainstream appeal doesn't make a game better of the playability better.

I say it depends on the game, the games creator and what they are after. If a developer is making an incredible game and they feel their game just needs an average looking protag for no other reason but its not important to their art they are making then its not woke imo
 
'But they used to be men' is not much of a rebuttal to someone saying 'the main character of Sony 1st party single player games is now a woman in most of the games'.

Keep aiming for 50/50 though, I'm sure the equal female audience for combat related video games will materialise any day now, despite millennia of evolution to the contrary.
 
Fess said:
And I guarantee that Returnal would've sold better with a hot Samus-like character. Gameplaywise it's Sony's best game. Sold what, 3 million? It's a travesty tbh
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Maybe, but it wouldn't have fit with the fiction at all.

Not every lead needs to be sexy or aspirational. They just need to mesh with the story, theme, and overall outlook of the game.
 
Fake said:
I was told Returnal have those same attributes, but failed regardless. Whats up with that game?
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Quality does not equal sales.

Not to come off as elitist or pretentious, but let's be real here: In games, pandering to the lowest common-denominator is how you get mega sales.

I'm sorry, but the Fortnite's of this world don't generate billions because they are trying to say something thought-provoking, or push the medium forward. Just simple, inoffensive, colourful fun for all ages.

And there's nothing wrong with that. Its basically the Nintendo playbook since the 1980's.

That said, personally, that doesn't appeal greatly to me as a grown adult. I want the engaging gameplay plus other things that will stimulate me. I want stories with ideas and emotion, I want to be surprised.
 
Killjoy-NL said:
Maybe the gameplay just wasn't appealing to the masses?
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The game has still the stigmata of being "ultra hardcore", even more so than the souls games. I still remember the discussions surrounding it's "ridiculous difficulty" and "unfair nature". I have friends who play souls games, but bounced of it pretty quickly. We can talk about difficulty all day long, but the stigmata will still remain I think. I'm happy it was still profitable.

I think Housemark has learned their lesson and will introduce some tangible progression systems with their new game Saros. I loved Retunal to bits and will be there day one.
 
Killjoy-NL said:
You also have to factor in all sequels released this gen have been released during the pandemic and extreme shortages for PS5.
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There are enough games out there with good sales to disprove that it's having a big impact. A game that's selling below expectations simply isn't appealing to the assumed audience. It's not just about bad design of course but eye-candy is an easy way to get more people to take a second look. Everybody knows this but for some reason within gaming (mostly in the west) people don't want to admit it.
 
Fake said:
I was told Returnal have those same attributes, but failed regardless. Whats up with that game?
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I think the biggest issue for that game is price. It's a $60 rogue-lite game that tells it's narrative in a fragmented way because of the different runs you'll do, and I think some people won't mesh with that vs. something straightforward, and most open-world games still have the main story be a fairly linear chain of events with quest markers.

Other games in that genre that have done well are usually at lower price points, and usually less story-driven (less serious in tone too).
 
Fess said:
There are enough games out there with good sales to disprove that it's having a big impact. A game that's selling below expectations simply isn't appealing to the assumed audience. It's not just about bad design of course but eye-candy is an easy way to get more people to take a second look. Everybody knows this but for some reason within gaming (mostly in the west) people don't want to admit it.
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Yeah not only that but those games should top every sales record since they were on more platforms closer to release but there is a reason sony stopped with the sales updates.
 
DenchDeckard said:
Im saying. Make the sexy action game. Do the stellar ass and tits game. I love it. Give me Xenoblade 2 characters. I couldnt care.

But it goes the other way too. Returnal wouldn't be a better game if the girl was hot. It might have more mainstream appeal, if thats what your looking for, but mainstream appeal doesn't make a game better of the playability better.

I say it depends on the game, the games creator and what they are after. If a developer is making an incredible game and they feel their game just needs an average looking protag for no other reason but its not important to their art they are making then its not woke imo
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A game can still be awesome, like Returnal, it's my fav Sony game, but what I'm saying is that it'll be even better and sell more if there is some real eye-candy. That's just how it is.
And yes good looks obviously helps for male characters too. You go with handsome or cool. You never go with meh, if you do then you need something spectacular shown through game mechanics instead or most people will just yawn and look at something else.
 
Ghost of Tsushima was the first to do historical Japanese samurai, and lot of people had a change of heart for open world Ubisoft type games recently, if they somehow put yotei on Xbox I'd play it.
 
Clear said:
Maybe, but it wouldn't have fit with the fiction at all.

Not every lead needs to be sexy or aspirational. They just need to mesh with the story, theme, and overall outlook of the game.
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But why? It's essentially Metroid, it would fit the fiction just fine. You can try it yourself by modding in Samus in the PC version. It's perfection. 👌
 
Fess said:
There are enough games out there with good sales to disprove that it's having a big impact. A game that's selling below expectations simply isn't appealing to the assumed audience. It's not just about bad design of course but eye-candy is an easy way to get more people to take a second look. Everybody knows this but for some reason within gaming (mostly in the west) people don't want to admit it.
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I only said it was a factor.

Also, it was an exceptional situation since we never witnessed a console-release during a pandemic and probably never will witness it again either.

There's also lots of people who were holding out on buying cross-gen exclusives for last-gen so they could play the best version on current-gen, not knowing there would be extreme shortages for 2 years due to said pandemic.

There were probably other games that did better, but you're likely talking about games like COD or FC which we all know sell better anyway.
 
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Fess said:
But why? It's essentially Metroid, it would fit the fiction just fine. You can try it yourself by modding in Samus in the PC version. It's perfection. 👌
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Without spoiling the plot, essentially Selene's entire backstory requires her to be an older woman and a bit of a fuck-up.

Whille making her more attractive wouldn't be a deal-breaker, it wouldn't add anything either.

Its like asking why isn't Harry Mason in Silent Hill more buff !
 
Fake said:
I was told Returnal have those same attributes, but failed regardless. Whats up with that game?
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Nobody is going to pay full price $70 US for a rogue shooter with a lead character who looks like Megan Rapinoe. And especially in 2021.

If this was maybe 2015, $20, launched on PS4 with a PS3 port, and a better looking lead character it'd sell shit load more copies.

Incredible that the game launched at $70 US and $90 CDN (according to google check). Who the hell is going to pay that.
 
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