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[Wolfe]

I think the "to humans" is implied, considering it's unlikely a non-human would be reading this thread.

My point (or lack thereof) was more just on the wording of quantifying one beings life being more worthwhile than another.

I agree that it's implied, which in my opinion makes it redundant to bring up.

Not a big deal either way, as for the topic I hope the kid makes it out of that ordeal without any lasting issues. I didn't watch the video as I can easily imagine what it's likely showing, I mean compared to a child a fully grown gorilla is basically a superhuman strength wise.

 

[Fat4all]

wow, the kid survived? that gorilla could have killed him in a millisecond

Has that ever happened at a Zoo?

Last story I could remember a child fell into a Gorilla enclosure and the gorilla was cool with it and no one was hurt, not even the gorilla.

 

[Haloid1177]

Video didn't seem like the gorilla was being violent.

And I mean the people defending the kid I mean yeah he's a kid but I never would have done that and my parents never would have let me in that position at that age.

 

[clav]

Couldn't the zoo caretakers tranquilize the gorilla?

Seriously. Keep that thing on a leash from now on

Is this a reference to this thread?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1218036

 

[cr0w]

Has that ever happened at a Zoo?

Last story I could remember a child fell into a Gorilla enclosure and the gorilla was cool with it and no one was hurt, not even the gorilla.

There was one years ago where a kid fell and got hurt, and a gorilla picked him up and took him to a safe place, even defended him from other gorillas who seemed to be threatened by the kids presence.

If the gorilla wanted that kid dead, he would have been dead before anyone knew what happened.

 

[cpp_is_king]

Couldn't the zoo caretakers tranquilize the gorilla?

Those gorillas are big, and tranquilizers aren't instant. If the gorilla got hit with a tranquilizer it might become temporarily hostile.

 

[Wolfe]

Has that ever happened at a Zoo?

Last story I could remember a child fell into a Gorilla enclosure and the gorilla was cool with it and no one was hurt, not even the gorilla.

Almost every story I've seen about this type of incident the gorilla usually attempts to look after the child as they usually get hurt falling into the enclosure.

I imagine in this type of situation the animals see a younger animal that sort of resembles their own young and then attempt to care for it when it's clearly distressed in some manner.

Those gorillas are big, and tranquilizers aren't instant. If the gorilla got hit with a tranquilizer it might become temporarily hostile.

Naw man I've seen this type of thing before, you just gotta hit it with like 10 tranqs at once, it'll stumble a bit, get sleepy eyed and then drop like a sac of tatoes.

Spoiler

Works every time in the movies!

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

They removed the part where you would see the gorilla doing something damaging.

I guess the only thing he could have done would have been to drag the kid. Had anything seriously aggressive been done it would have been over in a heartbeat.

 

[diamount]

Seriously, zoo's should make it a requirement to tether your toddlers.

 

[HMD]

And I mean the people defending the kid I mean yeah he's a kid but I never would have done that

As a four year old you were just as clueless as that kid, unless you were some child genius.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Video didn't seem like the gorilla was being violent.

And I mean the people defending the kid I mean yeah he's a kid but I never would have done that and my parents never would have let me in that position at that age.

I can barely remember being 4 years old let alone "knowing" I never would have done that.

For fuck's sake he's 4.

 

[sangreal]

Fucking hell I started watching the video and stopped it immediately.

The video just shows the Gorilla chilling with the kid

The graphic portions were apparently removed

 

[kswiston]

Has that ever happened at a Zoo?

Last story I could remember a child fell into a Gorilla enclosure and the gorilla was cool with it and no one was hurt, not even the gorilla.

It's usually big cats that kill people in zoos. type "killed by gorilla" and "killed by lion" in google and compare the results.

 

[Fat4all]

Couldn't the zoo caretakers tranquilize the gorilla?

Here's a quote from the article:

Maynard said the gorilla wasn't tranquilized because in such a large animal, it would take several minutes for the tranquilizer to take effect.

They felt they had to act with urgency as apparently the gorilla became more violent.

 

[watershed]

I think it's fair to blame the parents. When you take a young child to the zoo you should know where your kid is at all times.

 

[half a moon]

Glad the kid is safe, but many questions after watching the vid muted:
-How violent was the removed parts?
-He fell 10 feet so I also wonder if the gorilla actually harmed him.
-The line of sight was bad depending where you stood so I wonder what the employees and shooter saw.
-Shooting a violent gorilla is a no brainer, but how fast does a tranq take effect and how does a gorilla act when shot with a tranq while calm and standing still with a kid?

 

[Astral Dog]

Jesus Christ @ blaming the child

 

[cr0w]

If that kid had fallen into a baboon or mandrill enclosure...man...fuck.

 

[Fat4all]

I think it's fair to blame the parents. When you take a young child to the zoo you should know where your kid is at all times.

Yeah, losing sight of a child isn't gross negligence, but it is negligence.

I know that sometimes it can be hard for a parent, but that's kinda what you sign up for when you have a child.

 

[Jeffolation]

I hope the child recovers. I'd like the abolition of all zoos but any animal threatening the life of a human being must be destroyed.

 

[Galang]

They made the right choice, but I still feel sad for the gorilla. WTF at anyone blaming the child. What kinda fucked up irresponsible parents lets this happen? This was a four year old. My child would be gripped to me at all times in a zoo.

 

[Sanjuro]

Based on the last couple weeks, let's just use remote explosive collars where we can blow off their heads at will.

Not the child though...yet.

 

[strikeselect]

Family should be held liable for not looking after their kid.

 

[Jenov]

Wow that video. They cut out the bad, so I can only imagine, but it was scary just looking at that part. Poor kid and the poor gorilla for having to be put down. The zoo did the right thing though, and I'm glad the child was saved. He's very lucky it was the gorilla enclosure -- I remember the last time a child fell in an enclosure in the U.S it was the wild dog area, and there was no chance at all. Although in that case, the mother had negligently lifted her child over the barrier.

 

[diamount]

I hope the child recovers. I'd like the abolition of all zoos but any animal threatening the life of a human being must be destroyed.

You're basically a supporter for poaching if you believe Zoo's should be shut down.

 

[Forerunner]

Fuck that kid. What a piece of shit family.

The kid is four years old...

I mean if you want to be mad at the parents for not watching their child, yes that makes sense, but you can't really put the blame on a four year old.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

They made the right choice, but I still feel sad for the gorilla. WTF at anyone blaming the child. What kinda fucked up irresponsible parents lets this happen? This was a four year old. My child would be gripped to me at all times in a zoo.

I hate when people pull the "you don't know because you're not a parent" card but you can easily let a kid get away from you for a few seconds...which is all it would take for something like this to happen.

You're basically an advent for poaching if you believe Zoo's should be shut down.

Oh please.

 

[triplestation]

Looks to me like the gorilla is just hanging out with the kid

 

[diamount]

Oh please.

Because they have zero impact in conservation efforts, right?

Looks to me like the gorilla is just hanging out with the kid

This ain't baby's day out, bangladesh.

 

[Jeffolation]

You're basically a supporter for poaching if you believe Zoo's should be shut down.

How does that work?

 

[entremet]

Couldn't the zoo caretakers tranquilize the gorilla?



Is this a reference to this thread?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1218036

It's not like video games. Tranquilizers don't act that fast.

 

[innervision961]

Is this really a debate? The zoo staff, many of whom raised this animal and worked with it daily, saw fit to put the animal down because it was becoming more and more aggresive with the child and there was no safe rescue alternative. If they'd have moved in to snatch the child, who knows how the animal would have reacted, I'll tell you who, the people who were with this animal on a daily basis.

The child isnt at fault, and likely, neither are the parents. It only takes a split second for something like this to happen.

Just a bad situation all around, but it was an accident.

 

[Sanjuro]

I can barely remember being 4 years old let alone "knowing" I never would have done that.

For fuck's sake he's 4.

Pretty sure you were aware of this at the age of four.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

It's not like video games. Tranquilizers don't act that fast.

only if it's a head shot.

 

[ElectricKaibutsu]

Really, we shouldn't have zoos anymore. But since we still do, I'm 100% on the side of humans surviving.

 

[Astral Dog]

Yeah, losing sight of a child isn't gross negligence, but it is negligence.

I know that sometimes it can be hard for a parent, but that's kinda what you sign up for when you have a child.

True but accidents can happen, that kid should never had reached that far. It was the zoo facilities.

 

[diamount]

How does that work?

It's a simple concept. If a species is in a zoo, they can't really go extinct because of poaching can they?

 

[Shogmaster]

Shitty parenting. Those enclosures are designed to allow decent viewing of the animals. If you make it impossible to climb INTO it from outside, the animals would be too obstructed to view.

Prosecute the parents.

 

[entremet]

Really, we shouldn't have zoos anymore. But since we still do, I'm 100% on the side of humans surviving.

Zoos to tons for conservations.

 

[Gouty]

Awesome parenting

 

[UFO]

They removed the part where you would see the gorilla doing something damaging.

I'm skeptical. The gorilla was practically babysitting him, even helping him stand up.

 

[FyreWulff]

I have trouble accepting this sometimes after some recent zoo accidents. I wish there was another way to save the kid and not harm the gorilla at the same time. I hope the kid recovers.

Tranquilizer takes too long and can actually make the animal even madder.

While it sucks, killing the animal is the safest way out of the situation. These veternarians and zookeepers take no pleasure in having to kill, but every zoo has an armory to deal with every animal they have.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Because they have zero impact in conservation efforts, right?

Saying someone is an advocate for poaching because they dislike zoos is absurd.

I'm skeptical. The gorilla was practically babysitting him, even helping him stand up.

You're suggesting there's a cover-up?

 

[- J - D -]

It's hard to make open air zoo exhibits completely impossible to climb into of you are dead set on doing so. That said, I think the Cincinnati Zoo had plans on a major revamp of their gorilla exhibit in the near future. Sad that this happened before then.

Yeah, but it shouldn't be impossible to prevent a 4 year old from going UNDER a railing into an enclosure.

 

[kswiston]

Really, we shouldn't have zoos anymore. But since we still do, I'm 100% on the side of humans surviving.

Watching videos of animals on Youtube is not the same as seeing them in person. Making personal connections with animals and nature goes a long way in having people give a shit about animals and nature. That's one of the major benefits of zoos. The other is to act as a life raft for endangered species.

 

[Matsukaze]

Sad situation.

And holy shit at people blaming the 4 year old child.

 

[Makoto Yuki]

Ugh, disgusting.

I blame the parents. They should keep track of their child better.

Kid would not be injured and an animal didn't have to die.

 

[robotrock]

Looks to me like the gorilla is just hanging out with the kid

I thought this too but then read:

WLWT has removed the most graphic portions of this video, during which the gorilla dragged the boy through the water.

 

[Stinkles]

Between this and the guy who was mauled by lions, makes me think that zoos should HAVE BETTER RAILINGS/FENCES FOR THEIR ENCLOSURES.

Sure. And better parents .

 

[diamount]

Saying someone is an advocate for poaching because they dislike zoos is absurd.

He said he was for the abolishment of zoos though. I would not have a problem if he disliked them, but let's get real here. Animal conservation charities make a pittance compared to what zoos bring in, so they are a lesser evil but a necessary one.