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Gran Turismo 5 |OT2| We Love Cars
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Metalmurphy
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brentech said:
It's the same one as before. The indianapolis tight turns. IC3
RoaringHawk
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MM, How did you buy all those cars while having that amount of distance travelled?!
What am I doing wrong?
Metalmurphy
Member
RoaringHawk said:
MM, How did you buy all those cars while having that amount of distance travelled?!
What am I doing wrong?
90% of the cars are dirty cheap. I just do a couple of like the winds and buy everything I don't own from the used dealership.
gutterboy44
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The newest Seasonal Event, Light Weight K Cup - Eifel (Kart) 104a / 3 Laps is pretty decent for cash. Just over three minutes of driving for $100K
Going back to the rumored GT5 SpecII discussion. I think one needs to be really realistic on what's feasible to do on a console game that's already released in order to gauge what Polyphony may do... or not do.
Remember that these are just my uneducated guesses based on pure speculation so don't come out swinging at me.
Right from the start we can throw out any expectation of graphical improvement. The shadows and low-resolution alpha channel for smoke/dust, those things are not going to be resolved because they're definitely a memory limitation. The PS3 only has 480 MB or RAM available for games, and I'm sure PD is already doing some creative things to get the game to run this well with those numbers. I'd love to see it resolved, but don't expect to.
Premium cars... I don't think they will be converting existing Standard cars to premium and just swapping them out. New Premium cars may be added - probably via paid DLC - and any work being done by PD to increase the number of high polygon cars will be reflected on GT6. I think it makes a lot more sense, business wise, to push those to the next game.
Damage, same as above. Any major improvements will be held back for GT6.
New courses... I think we will get a nice selection of older courses, ported from the PS2 like Trial Mountain and Deep Forest. Before you say "but those look awful!"- no they don't. They are just as atmospheric as the newly built ones. They're certainly less detailed, but they're not ugly. Just watch some of the replays on Autumn Ring, it's awesome. I will be specially pleased is Cita di Aria makes a return.
It's more important to consider the surface detail rather than visual fidelity on the courses. I don't care if the trees are 2D, I care if a rough-looking crest and turn are actually bumpy or just feel like driving over glass.
Time and Weather changes might make an appearance on more tracks and be improved. I remember when Kaz was explaining that the weather would be truly random and couldn't be predicted... hoping to see more of that.
Event creator and improvements to Course Creator... hope those things materialize. The point to point course creator was commented by Kaz as "we're looking into it" and we've seen it in earlier builds, so it may be just a matter of time. I think an event creator would be trivial to implement for online racing now that custom courses are available online. We could set up some very nice rallies... imagine the possibilities.
Leaderboards for every track and car, GT5P style. Not sure if PD will do it. It would have to be a simplified model that would track only sets of data - for example, it would track times set with stock cars only. Modded cars would all be thrown in together. Modded cars would be thrown in together like it happens on Forza.
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Now things I wish it could happen - more of the human element we saw in earlier builds and trailers. I loved a video of the SLS running on Tokyo from some event where it showed a player doing a time trial. The car launched from the pits, and the crew was there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQybVxSglkk
Just that added element of reality to it that adds so much.
I'd like to see the race official on kart races that you can see on the opening video too, signaling the start of the race. So cool.
I also liked the garage view from each track that we had on Prologue. Before the time trial/free run you'd get this view of the car in the garage/staging area and it was fucking glorious.
By now I'm just wishing too much.
JUST BRING BACK GRINDELWALD.
Remember that these are just my uneducated guesses based on pure speculation so don't come out swinging at me.
Right from the start we can throw out any expectation of graphical improvement. The shadows and low-resolution alpha channel for smoke/dust, those things are not going to be resolved because they're definitely a memory limitation. The PS3 only has 480 MB or RAM available for games, and I'm sure PD is already doing some creative things to get the game to run this well with those numbers. I'd love to see it resolved, but don't expect to.
Premium cars... I don't think they will be converting existing Standard cars to premium and just swapping them out. New Premium cars may be added - probably via paid DLC - and any work being done by PD to increase the number of high polygon cars will be reflected on GT6. I think it makes a lot more sense, business wise, to push those to the next game.
Damage, same as above. Any major improvements will be held back for GT6.
New courses... I think we will get a nice selection of older courses, ported from the PS2 like Trial Mountain and Deep Forest. Before you say "but those look awful!"- no they don't. They are just as atmospheric as the newly built ones. They're certainly less detailed, but they're not ugly. Just watch some of the replays on Autumn Ring, it's awesome. I will be specially pleased is Cita di Aria makes a return.
It's more important to consider the surface detail rather than visual fidelity on the courses. I don't care if the trees are 2D, I care if a rough-looking crest and turn are actually bumpy or just feel like driving over glass.
Time and Weather changes might make an appearance on more tracks and be improved. I remember when Kaz was explaining that the weather would be truly random and couldn't be predicted... hoping to see more of that.
Event creator and improvements to Course Creator... hope those things materialize. The point to point course creator was commented by Kaz as "we're looking into it" and we've seen it in earlier builds, so it may be just a matter of time. I think an event creator would be trivial to implement for online racing now that custom courses are available online. We could set up some very nice rallies... imagine the possibilities.
Leaderboards for every track and car, GT5P style. Not sure if PD will do it. It would have to be a simplified model that would track only sets of data - for example, it would track times set with stock cars only. Modded cars would all be thrown in together. Modded cars would be thrown in together like it happens on Forza.
----
Now things I wish it could happen - more of the human element we saw in earlier builds and trailers. I loved a video of the SLS running on Tokyo from some event where it showed a player doing a time trial. The car launched from the pits, and the crew was there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQybVxSglkk
Just that added element of reality to it that adds so much.
I'd like to see the race official on kart races that you can see on the opening video too, signaling the start of the race. So cool.
I also liked the garage view from each track that we had on Prologue. Before the time trial/free run you'd get this view of the car in the garage/staging area and it was fucking glorious.
By now I'm just wishing too much.
JUST BRING BACK GRINDELWALD.
Metalmurphy
Member
Imo opinion they should just remove car selfshadowing completely when in 3rd person or replays, but leave it during cockpit. In the cockpit seeing shadows passing by really fast really immerses you, and you don't notice the blocky shadows at all, during replay since the camera is always following the car you notice the blocky self shadows alot. Removing them would look better and it would probably improve performance as well.
They should keep the tree/scenery shadows casting on the cars during 3rd person/replay though.
I'm really curious as to what happened to that Kart track in Plaza del Campo oO, I know they had problems with the flags, but they kept the Photo Travel location.
They should keep the tree/scenery shadows casting on the cars during 3rd person/replay though.
I'm really curious as to what happened to that Kart track in Plaza del Campo oO, I know they had problems with the flags, but they kept the Photo Travel location.
Metalmurphy
Member
Mush said:What happened to the Youtube uploads?
What happened to the 32 player private lobbies?
What happened to the HSV-10?
What happened to Motegi?
What happened to the Esso Supra?
What happened to the Stig?
WHY WHY WHY
The Stig is in the game. Shows up in the top gear intro, the rest of the stuff we mentioned we never actually saw it, but the Piaza del Campo track was done, and playable at a show. That's why I don't get it
Spectral Glider
Member
Metalmurphy said:
Yeah, or at least give us an option to turn it off. The only other way for them to fix it would be to improve the AA and I don't think that's a possibility.
Mush said:What happened to the Youtube uploads?
What happened to the 32 player private lobbies?
What happened to the HSV-10?
What happened to Motegi?
What happened to the Esso Supra?
What happened to the Stig?
WHY WHY WHY
- Canceled because of two reasons: HD processing was requiring too much time and was producing a very data-heavy files. SD upload was discarded as option because of bad quality (look at the Shift 2 for example). My question would be "Why can't we share replays when there is clearly an export option"?
- 32 player private lobbies have been a miss-translation I presume
- Kaz said long ago (in Honda-hosted Tweeter Q&A prior to GT5 release) it will not make it for the initial game
- same as to all "old courses" - didn't make it. What intrigues me thouh is that Motegi is not present on that "leaked course logo" conspiracy-list. In the recent update Jordan noted how Super Speedway exists among the files - which is basically Motegi oval - but ther eis no Motegi branding. Probably some licensing issues.
- have no idea
- Whole Top Gear thing was obviously heavily compromised close to the release and we can only speculate how much was Microsoft involved.
BEKAZUE X3
gutterboy44
Member
Wow, I totally forgot about Grinewald. That track is brilliant! I have no idea why GT 1 & 2 were not releases as PSone classics prior to GT5 release. I would have bought those games in a heart beat. Missed cash crab opportunity. Man, looking at the youtube videos of GT2..memories.
amar212 said:
If you honestly think BBC/Top Gear AND/OR MS had a doing in the mishandling of the Top Gear license, you need to wrap yourself up in tinfoil and stop playing GT5 immediately.
No, Top Gear's misrepresentation is solely on Kaz for under utilizing it and on the BBC for not at least attempting to get Kaz to do more with it.
And since there is an export option, they can't do it like Just Cause 2 and export it as a.mpg (or whatever the .compressionformatthatallthecoolkidsareusingnowadays) to where we manually upload it to Youtube ourself? Really?
There is so many dropped balls with GT5.
Metalmurphy
Member
"Microsoft signs exclusive deal with BBC Top Gear"TheSeks said:
You don't exactly need a tinfoil hat to assume it. Don't be shock if GT6 doesn't feature it at all. Just like you shouldn't be surprised when Forza 4 ships without Porches. This shit happened before, and will continue to happen.
Lets not forget that all the Top Gear content mysteriously disappeared from GTTV as well.
Computers, how do they work?!TheSeks said:
Exporting game files has nothing to do with recording and encoding a video and then exporting it
Would anyone be that bothered if the Top Gear track vanished from GT? As someone who was really looking forward to its inclusion, it's actually not that interesting. Although granted, it's a massive missed opportunity tie-in wise.
I don't buy MS having something to do with that. I know Sony are stupid, but they wouldn't be stupid enough as not to have contracts in place that preclude someone snatching Top Gear away from them. Otherwise the track wouldn't have been in the game, surely.
I would like to think that Sony knew even in 2007 that MS or someone would at some point make a move for the track and the brand, and they'd at least tie it up for GT.
I don't buy MS having something to do with that. I know Sony are stupid, but they wouldn't be stupid enough as not to have contracts in place that preclude someone snatching Top Gear away from them. Otherwise the track wouldn't have been in the game, surely.
I would like to think that Sony knew even in 2007 that MS or someone would at some point make a move for the track and the brand, and they'd at least tie it up for GT.
Metalmurphy
Member
I would. I think the track is actually pretty decent for time trials, and it's fun to compare TG lap times. But I was still hoping for some Top Gear themed events like it was shown in trailers, like drag racing a jet plane, evo vs impreza, or even race against or with The Stig.offshore said:
As for MS having anything to do with it, well the lets not forget that all the Top Gear content mysteriously disappeared from GTTV as well.
That's the way Forza is evolving though. There was nothing to stop Sony featuring the test track heavily in any of the many GT trailers. But they only showed it once, during E3. Polyphony didn't obviously feel the need to pimp it as much as T10 are doing.Norante said:
In any case, it seems pretty clear that actually having the test track did little for GT sales or reception. And it's not clear if T10 going even further with the TG brand will do anything for them either.
I'd better make clear, I'd obviously rather have the test track included than not, of course. But it just didn't feel as a special inclusion as I thought it would.
Metalmurphy
Member
offshore said:
How do you know? If we even get exclusive console "announcements" for MP games these days then anything can happen. Sad world we live in.
And I bet that yes, T10 will go further with it, cause they're not as closed minded as PD is in that regard. I really wouldn't be surprised if we saw some really cool stuff regarding TG track in Forza 4.
Holy...shitG Rom said:I tried head tracking around launch but haven't touched it since then as I don't use arcade mode at all too...
It's a shame because because I would have liked to learn driving with it.
Anyway, here are some recent photos. I've posted more in the photo sharing thread.
The LFA is so beautiful !
Best photomode shots I've seen. GT needs motion blur!
Metalmurphy
Member
"There was nothing to stop Sony featuring the test track heavily in any of the many GT trailers"offshore said:
Metalmurphy
Member
offshore said:
The MS deal with BBC was announced after that though, not before. And we have seen exclusive deals on trailers before. I'm not saying that's what happened, just that it could have happened.
gutterboy44
Member
The misuse of the Top Gear license is so depressing When you hit triangle on a car in your garage, there should be the option, "Take to Top Gear Test Track" where it quickly loads you in the track, gives you a standing start and you set a hot lap. At the end, it posts your car name and time in a fashion just like the actual Top Gear leader board.
How the fuck was this not done! My god, so much awesome for so little effort on PD's part. Better yet, in your profile you can then change your "Test Track" to any track so you can quickly triangle click a car in your garage and take it to your favorite track for a hot lap.
I am seriously about to create a detailed presentation with revised menus and events to PD on my own time once I am done with school at the beginning of May. I don't even give a shit if they steal my ideas. My goal is to get in touch with PD this summer. Someone needs to fix this shit, I am up for it.
When you hit triangle on a car in your garage, there should be the option, "Take to Top Gear Test Track" where it quickly loads you in the track, gives you a standing start and you set a hot lap. At the end, it posts your car name and time in a fashion just like the actual Top Gear leader board. How the fuck was this not done! My god, so much awesome for so little effort on PD's part. Better yet, in your profile you can then change your "Test Track" to any track so you can quickly triangle click a car in your garage and take it to your favorite track for a hot lap.
I am seriously about to create a detailed presentation with revised menus and events to PD on my own time once I am done with school at the beginning of May. I don't even give a shit if they steal my ideas. My goal is to get in touch with PD this summer. Someone needs to fix this shit, I am up for it.
The Forza deal was announced in September 2010, whereas the GT deal was announced in October 2007. That's a long time that Sony had before MS got involved.Metalmurphy said:
Like I said previously, I would be amazed if Sony did not at that time sow up the TG license for the PS3. They would surely have known that MS would come after it down the line.
I understand you point (I think), but I just don't believe it's plausible for MS to have dictated what Sony could do with the TG license.
SOLD! Awesome idea.gutterboy44 said:The misuse of the Top Gear license is so depressing
How the fuck was this not done! My god, so much awesome for so little effort on PD's part. Better yet, in your profile you can then change your "Test Track" to any track so you can quickly triangle click a car in your garage and take it to your favorite track for a hot lap.
I am seriously about to create a detailed presentation with revised menus and events to PD on my own time once I am done with school at the beginning of May. I don't even give a shit if they steal my ideas. My goal is to get in touch with PD this summer. Someone needs to fix this shit, I am up for it.
Metalmurphy
Member
offshore said:
Huh? You mean the GT-TV content right? Not the actual track.
And yeah, ALOT of stuff should have been on the Triangle menu. I mean, that would be the ultimate solution for anything. New Tires? Triangle > Tunning Shop. Changing oil? Triangle > GT Auto.
And it's accessible from anywhere. Makes no sense as to why this wasn't done.
No, both.Metalmurphy said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7059887.stm
That was October 2007.
Metalmurphy
Member
Hum, for some reason I was under the impression that had been announced close to the E3 reveal of it.offshore said:
gutterboy44
Member
They could have at least given us the option to make bigoted comments about Mexicans in the game. Top Gear license my ass.
Mister Zimbu
Member
gutterboy44 said:The misuse of the Top Gear license is so depressing
Your time was:
1:29.05
(X) Post time on Top Gear lap times board.
(O) Set lap time on fire.
I like this press triangle idea gutterboy has going on. Like MM is right, lots of stuff could have been put on there. And if they'd have had shortcut menus at the top of the screen like they had previous GT's, both of them together would have made it super quick to get around.
mclaren777
Member
I really want gutterboy44 to be the director for GT6.
phosphor112
Banned
...lol, the concept of being bigoted toward a race and not a belief makes me lol.gutterboy44 said:
I don't get this "triangle" thing?
Basically, you want 100% streamlined menus, right? Like, to have direct shortcut for everything?
I dislike. It does not fit into "GT" philosophy. I agree that loading times COULD be shorter, but really, they're not that long.
Besides, I can understand the need to actually "go" somewhere in order to perform some actions, from testing, GT Auto processes or Upgrades shopping. It gives the immersion for your doings and gives a feel of actual process. I don't know, maybe I just love old-school GT philosophy too much, but IMO it should all stay as it is regarding navigation.
Streamlining everything would kill the spirit of GT, really. My 100% subjective opinion.
Basically, you want 100% streamlined menus, right? Like, to have direct shortcut for everything?
I dislike. It does not fit into "GT" philosophy. I agree that loading times COULD be shorter, but really, they're not that long.
Besides, I can understand the need to actually "go" somewhere in order to perform some actions, from testing, GT Auto processes or Upgrades shopping. It gives the immersion for your doings and gives a feel of actual process. I don't know, maybe I just love old-school GT philosophy too much, but IMO it should all stay as it is regarding navigation.
Streamlining everything would kill the spirit of GT, really. My 100% subjective opinion.
-viper- said:Holy...shit
Best photomode shots I've seen. GT needs motion blur!
Thanks
amar212 said:
You've just answered your own question. :-D
The GT philosophy wasn't bad in the late 90's/early 00's because everyone had the same but since GT4, games have progressed immensely in the UI department.
You say that the loading aren't that long, sure they're not but when you've got one between each screen, it begins to add up quite a lot of time.
I'm pretty sure that in lots of Spec-A races, you spend more time in the menu than actually racing due to the car restriction then the tyre restriction requiring to go back in other menus.
I don't understand why someone would prefer a UI where you're constantly going back and forth between menus when it could (as shown by other games in the genre) be much more streamlined... :/
Why there's loading in the career is a total mystery to me anyway as all the menus are 2D...
Metalmurphy
Member
amar212 said:
We already have the Triangle menu amar. On every car you select you can press triangle, and it'll give you tons of options, Settings, Change Car, Gift, Sell. Why isn't on the menu an option to take that car to the Tunning Shop, GT Auto, even A-Spec and B-spec. It would automatically change you to that car, and take you directly to those menus. Instead of Change Car > Back (x # depending on where you are) > Loading screen > GT Auto > Loading screen.
It would save up SO much time.
It would pretty much save all the problems. Imagine ur in A-Spec, and an event requires a Car, that you don't have chosen, and Confort Soft that you don't have. Click the Garage icon in A-Spec, browse cars, choose one, triangle, Tunning shop, buy tires, back (if they added the menu u were before in memory it would be even faster), race.