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[Dibbz]

Reminds me, I need to buy an Oreca Viper.

I think the biggest time sink is that they are prepping all cars to be ready for next gen standards. They've already said as much. The models are well past what the PS3 can handle and are scaled back for GT5.

This could end up being a smart move. Whilst PD's competitors seem to be catching up (Forza, Shift 2) this gen, PD will have less work to do next gen because they have built the foundations for it right now. This could mean they will totally blow the competition away because they spent most of this generation prepping for it.

Yes we as customers and fans of GT5 would like everything now but if it means every GT after this takes a few years less to make then I've gotta support them.

Now watch PD make a fool out of me and not announce another console GT for the next few years.

 

[gutterboy44]

So basically this gen we got, GT Prologue and GT6 Prologue

 

[Dibbz]

Don't forget GT PSP.

 

[brotkasten]

This could end up being a smart move. Whilst PD's competitors seem to be catching up (Forza, Shift 2) this gen, PD will have less work to do next gen because they have built the foundations for it right now. This could mean they will totally blow the competition away because they spent most of this generation prepping for it.

I think Turn10 is doing the same with the AutoVista cars.

 

[seattle6418]

Reminds me, I need to buy an Oreca Viper.

I think the biggest time sink is that they are prepping all cars to be ready for next gen standards. They've already said as much. The models are well past what the PS3 can handle and are scaled back for GT5.

This could end up being a smart move. Whilst PD's competitors seem to be catching up (Forza, Shift 2) this gen, PD will have less work to do next gen because they have built the foundations for it right now. This could mean they will totally blow the competition away because they spent most of this generation prepping for it.

Yes we as customers and fans of GT5 would like everything now but if it means every GT after this takes a few years less to make then I've gotta support them.

Now watch PD make a fool out of me and not announce another console GT for the next few years.

But i think all the future proof talk is BS. Always have been, always will.

When next gen specs are used, we will hear people say "oh, but that´s is so much more than we can do", that they will end up putting extra detail on their work.

Also, jeopardizing one gen because of the next one seems a bit... crazy, right?

 

[SolidSnakex]

They don't have to outsource, just double their modelling team. Would it be impossible to find another 30 or 40 people in the whole world who can model at the standard they want? Frankly, the days of a small team being responsible to one person and them being able to oversee every single thing for a project of this size are gone. I know it's Kaz's baby and all, but you cannot make as much content as they want, with the fidelity they want, with a team of the size they are using.

I agree that they should increase their workforce, and they've recently moved some of their staff to Fukuoka. That might not mean that they'll be looking to expand on that group, but I think that it's certainly possible that they will

But i think all the future proof talk is BS. Always have been, always will.

When next gen specs are used, we will hear people say "oh, but that´s is so much more than we can do", that they will end up putting extra detail on their work.

Also, jeopardizing one gen because of the next one seems a bit... crazy, right?

I think that they're future proof in the sense that they're not going to have to build them from scratch. They can take the photo travel models and clean up some of the edges, apply higher quality textures etc. That obviously wouldn't be anywhere near as time consuming as throwing everything out and then starting over.

 

[GTP_Daverytimes]

But i think all the future proof talk is BS. Always have been, always will.

When next gen specs are used, we will hear people say "oh, but that´s is so much more than we can do", that they will end up putting extra detail on their work.

Also, jeopardizing one gen because of the next one seems a bit... crazy, right?

PD has always built a system for the future(they are a bit like Sony). GT1 shared the same system as GT2, GT3 shared the same infrastructure as GT4, and GT5 would no doubt continue the trend. They tend to build a new engine each gen and during that time they upgrade that engine to a massive extent for their next game. GT6 will be sharing the same engine that GT5 is currently using and the cars (Premium) in GT5 will be upgraded and ported over to GT6, this means less work which would in turn give more time to be put into more important things. I also would not be surprised if GT7 uses GT5's engine albeit Upgraded immensely, building a new engine is very expensive.

 

[Curufinwe]

I only just saw that back in March Sony announced GT 5 had already sold 6.3 million copies. That sounds very impressive to me, but do you guys know how it compares to predictions made on GAF or by analysts or media people?

 

[Tideas]

In the meantime, some shitty Splinter Cell game has almost 500 people working on it.

If GT was a budget release, i would understand the situation.

It is not. It´s a franchise that can have 400-500 people working on it. Our path right now is to have no DLC content whatsoever. And GT is the perfect game for such content.

Of course this is not doable with the current staff.

I know culture, Kaz´s baby and all, but it´s time to change the culture. Things evolve, change, and you can´t keep doing games like you did in the 90´s because it´s just not gonna work.

Apparently it´s a memo that japanese developers didn´t get, seeing their missfortunes this gen.

And still, if we get into deep discussion, having played this game almost everyday, i would take 3000 standard models over what we get everyday.

Mod community could create models in between and we would be just fine.

I love to look at those PS4 car models, but they came at what cost?

less content? less online functionality, less cars on the track, less physics? So call me crazy, but i think the PS3 was not the machine to handle this vision and their staff is also not able to mass produce this vision.

I love my standard models and drive them everyday. Sure they could be better, but hey, i can drive my lovely Takata Dome NSX ´03, or my Oreca Viper and when i´m driving it, i really don´t care that they are ugly.

They drive really good and that´s what matters most.

-----------------

Enough of rants and babblings, i just wanted them to change their culture a bit, because the possibilities for us car lovers are endless.

sense of entitlement much?

 

[iKeepPlaying]

Don't forget GT PSP.

Spoiler

GTVita Prologue

 

[Dead Man]

sense of entitlement much?

I.. don't think you know what that phrase means... or how to construct sentences.

 

[GTP_Daverytimes]

I only just saw that back in March Sony announced GT 5 had already sold 6.3 million copies. That sounds very impressive to me, but do you guys know how it compares to predictions made on GAF or by analysts or media people?

They got slapped so hard, it was quite funny when the numbers came out. Those numbers are very old though (December 2010 numbers) and by this time next year the game would most likely have crossed the 10 million mark. Most analyst said that the game was mot relevant anymore and that GT5 has taken a bite in GT5's market, in under one month the game sold more than GT5 has in 3 years.

 

[CozMick]

They got slapped so hard, it was quite funny when the numbers came out. Those numbers are very old though (December 2010 numbers) and by this time next year the game would most likely have crossed the 10 million mark. Most analyst said that the game was mot relevant anymore and that GT5 has taken a bite in GT5's market, in under one month the game sold more than GT5 has in 3 years.

T'was a good day on GAF.

 

[Dibbz]

Sounds like it would be a a fun read. Got a link?

 

[GenericUser]

Don't forget GT PSP.

best gt this gen *runs*

 

[GTP_Daverytimes]

Sounds like it would be a a fun read. Got a link?

This was the NPD thread for November 2010 (NPD Sales Results For November 2010: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415414 ). It was a shitfest, remember that GT5 was only out for 6 days but GAF pounced on it. It was called a bomba and many thought their prediction's were coming true until this came out (Gran Turismo 5 has shipped 5.5 million worldwide in 12 days: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415450 ) Many doubts ensued and people started posting pictures of GT5 on shelf, the consensus was that the numbers were inflated and no one wanted to here any thing different. Until yet again something came out (Polyphony: Gran Turismo 5 Has Sold 6.37 Million Worldwide in Six Weeks: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=422355 ) by this point everyone shat their traps and accepted the truth (Although some still insist that it bombed in the US).

 

[spats]

This was the NPD thread for November 2010 (NPD Sales Results For November 2010: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415414 ). It was a shitfest, remember that GT5 was only out for 6 days but GAF pounced on it. It was called a bomba and many thought their prediction's were coming true until this came out (Gran Turismo 5 has shipped 5.5 million worldwide in 12 days: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415450 ) Many doubts ensued and people started posting pictures of GT5 on shelf, the consensus was that the numbers were inflated and no one wanted to here any thing different. Until yet again something came out (Polyphony: Gran Turismo 5 Has Sold 6.37 Million Worldwide in Six Weeks: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=422355 ) by this point everyone shat their traps and accepted the truth (Although some still insist that it bombed in the US).

mega bomba, US is the only market that counts, admit it fanboy

 

[gate777]

In a slight predicament and could appreciate some advice.

I have the historic race staring me in the face and I have 3 cars to choose from.
Toyota 7
Ford Mark IV '67
Ferrari 330 P4

thoughts?

 

[darkwing]

In a slight predicament and could appreciate some advice.

I have the historic race staring me in the face and I have 3 cars to choose from.
Toyota 7
Ford Mark IV '67
Ferrari 330 P4

thoughts?

Toyota 7

 

[DonMigs85]

In a slight predicament and could appreciate some advice.

I have the historic race staring me in the face and I have 3 cars to choose from.
Toyota 7
Ford Mark IV '67
Ferrari 330 P4

thoughts?

It's easiest with the Toyota but I was able to win it without too much difficulty with the other cars.

 

[DonMigs85]

Wonder when the next seasonal will be up... I want one purely for RR vehicles.

 

[Dead Man]

Any word on getting standing starts back for single player? I'm getting a bit sick of starting so far behind first place. To win you need a car so much faster than the rest that you blow past first place when you catch them.

 

[Atruvius]

I have now golded in A-Spec all Amateur Series races. That Daytona pick up truck race was a bitch. Everytime I would take the lead but at the last lap AI would bump into me which caused me spin out uncontrollably. Took me almost 20 minutes to win that race and it got so frustrating I started to curse, which happens rarely.

Still a great game.

 

[Adelor Lyon]

That Daytona pick up truck race was a bitch. Everytime I would take the lead but at the last lap AI would bump into me which caused me spin out uncontrollably. Took me almost 20 minutes to win that race and it got so frustrating I started to curse

My neighbors probably heard me yelling when I was doing that race (over and over and over again), and I live in a standalone house.

 

[Dash Kappei]

I've been out of GT since psn went down and all I did was to play PC racers ever since, but I'm planning to start playing again this monday.
What did I miss? Are they still pumping out seasonals on a regular basis? Have they announced the dates for DLC plans or replacing some standars models with premiums?

 

[paskowitz]

Room open right now:

1472-6118-4130-9223-1869

2 laps Nurburgring 24hr course

Race Cars and RM cars only
562hp 1200kg limit
Racing medium tires
No aids except TCS and ABS
Tire and fuel wear on
Light Damage
Realistic grip reduction
No penalties or boost

 

[brotkasten]

I've been out of GT since psn went down and all I did was to play PC racers ever since, but I'm planning to start playing again this monday.
What did I miss? Are they still pumping out seasonals on a regular basis? Have they announced the dates for DLC plans or replacing some standars models with premiums?

Few new seasonals here and there, some bug fixes, but no DLC.

 

[brotkasten]

I'm seeing the new 2011 GT-R on TopGear right now and I'm wondering why the hell it's not available as GT5 DLC. It was possible during the GT5 days.

 

[KingDizzi]

Maybe I'm reading too much into this but apparently the platinum version of this game will be releasing on October 11th this year in France to most probably the same for all of EU. I assume this game was still selling well because it's still not got a price cut here in the UK so what do people here think about that? Such an announcement tells me that there will probably be another GT game on the PS3, can't see why they would release a platinum version so soon were that not the case. That or it's just standard practice for Sony to make their games platinum after a year no matter what, for example Uncharted 2 went platinum June 2010 yet only released 8 months earlier. Really hoping it's just standard Sony practice and we do not get another GT game on the PS3, hopes are pinned on PD having moved onto Vita and PS4.

I'm seeing the new 2011 GT-R on TopGear right now and I'm wondering why the hell it's not available as GT5 DLC. It was possible during the GT5 days.

This game not having DLC is probably the oddest decision I have seen in gaming, PD would have made a killing selling extra tracks and cars yet we've got nothing. Weird shit, possibly a nod to another mainline GT game releasing on the PS3.

 

[Max]

So basically this gen we got, GT Prologue and GT6 Prologue

What do you mean? GT5 is the first i've owned so I have no idea how the others are in comparison but it seems to me a pretty complete game

 

[Dash Kappei]

Few new seasonals here and there, some bug fixes, but no DLC.

Hey look at that, it's brotkasten
Thanks for the reply, I assume the G27 is still not properly supported then :/

 

[Lion Heart]

What do you mean? GT5 is the first i've owned so I have no idea how the others are in comparison but it seems to me a pretty complete game

It dwarfs 99% of games in content, don't worry.

 

[brotkasten]

Hey look at that, it's brotkasten
Thanks for the reply, I assume the G27 is still not properly supported then :/

Of course it's not fixed. :lol

 

[SolidSnakex]

Really hoping it's just standard Sony practice and we do not get another GT game on the PS3, hopes are pinned on PD having moved onto Vita and PS4.

I really hope that Sony doesn't push PD toward developing GT Vita, and hopefully Kaz won't want to do it. They really aren't big enough to be able to handle a portable version while prepping for another console game. They should be locked completely into planning and working on their next console game. Whether that be a PS3 GT or a PS4 GT (this please!). They should look into letting Evolution Studios work on the GT Vita.

This game not having DLC is probably the oddest decision I have seen in gaming, PD would have made a killing selling extra tracks and cars yet we've got nothing. Weird shit, possibly a nod to another mainline GT game releasing on the PS3.

I think that Kaz made it clear in interviews that he really doesn't like the idea of DLC. He only ever said that some tracks or cars might be made available through it, but it was also possible that they'd hold them back for GT6. Although it's interesting that people want DLC so bad in a generation where it's become despised.

 

[Dead Man]

I really hope that Sony doesn't push PD toward developing GT Vita, and hopefully Kaz won't want to do it. They really aren't big enough to be able to handle a portable version while prepping for another console game. They should be locked completely into planning and working on their next console game. Whether that be a PS3 GT or a PS4 GT (this please!). They should look into letting Evolution Studios work on the GT Vita.



I think that Kaz made it clear in interviews that he really doesn't like the idea of DLC. He only ever said that some tracks or cars might be made available through it, but it was also possible that they'd hold them back for GT6. Although it's interesting that people want DLC so bad in a generation where it's become despised.

I think it's more a matter of people wanting their expectations filled, and if it takes DLC, then so be it.

Maybe I'm reading too much into this but apparently the platinum version of this game will be releasing on October 11th this year in France to most probably the same for all of EU. I assume this game was still selling well because it's still not got a price cut here in the UK so what do people here think about that? Such an announcement tells me that there will probably be another GT game on the PS3, can't see why they would release a platinum version so soon were that not the case. That or it's just standard practice for Sony to make their games platinum after a year no matter what, for example Uncharted 2 went platinum June 2010 yet only released 8 months earlier. Really hoping it's just standard Sony practice and we do not get another GT game on the PS3, hopes are pinned on PD having moved onto Vita and PS4.

Why do you not want GT6 on PS3? I would prefer it there, at least they will leave the engine alone and can make some extra content and polish the game design. If they have moved on to PS4 it will be another case of late and underdone. GT6 on PS3 would sove the DLC problem too. 'Here you go, $60 DLC pack'.

 

[Toxa]

great vid :

Gran Turismo 5 Sound VS Real World - THE TRUTH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPH5E0WlKeg&feature=player_profilepage

watch it

 

[PjotrStroganov]

great vid :

Gran Turismo 5 Sound VS Real World - THE TRUTH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPH5E0WlKeg&feature=player_profilepage

watch it

He talks about what difference a HT makes. I'm getting the sound of the YT clips(I am at the 458) and the sound from his HT through the same PC speakers over here and I can obviously hear that his HT is superior. So why is the YT clip inferior? My speakers can obviously handle the difference and I don't hear bass in one sample and do in the other. It should give a 1:1 impression of what the car's meant to sounds like yes?

It also doesn't explain why many premium cars still sound like crap on my own HT. I do have a new receiver though, so I'm looking forward to see if the M3 sounds better now.

 

[drugstore_cowboy]

It's a stupid and misleading video, in the way a cam or offscreen shot masks many of a games graphical shortcomings this is doing the same to the audio, a lot of the digital sounding effects are being drowned out by bass and you may be able to tune that shit out with a graphic equaliser or something but in no way is it an accurate representation of the games sound.

As it happens I don't really have much of problem with GT5's audio, but then I am half deaf.

 

[KingDizzi]

I really hope that Sony doesn't push PD toward developing GT Vita, and hopefully Kaz won't want to do it. They really aren't big enough to be able to handle a portable version while prepping for another console game. They should be locked completely into planning and working on their next console game. Whether that be a PS3 GT or a PS4 GT (this please!). They should look into letting Evolution Studios work on the GT Vita.

I think that Kaz made it clear in interviews that he really doesn't like the idea of DLC. He only ever said that some tracks or cars might be made available through it, but it was also possible that they'd hold them back for GT6. Although it's interesting that people want DLC so bad in a generation where it's become despised.

I've constantly expressed by view on this, PD is just a Sony dev after all and if Sony want the Vita to do well, GT will have to play a part. Since some PD employees moved to another area hopefully that gives them room to expand. Sony first party cannot ignore the Vita like they did the PSP, sadly the latter was fucked due to the PS3 being such a failure that all Sony first parties had to move to it in order to fix the mess. Not like there is isn't a market for the portable games, GT PSP was horrific and on a weak platform but still managed over 2 million, it better fucking happen. In terms of DLC I've never purchased any but this game was perfect for it, would have happily paid money to get new cars, tracks, TT like add on etc. We've got nothing at all though which makes it likely GT6 will be on the PS3.

Why do you not want GT6 on PS3? I would prefer it there, at least they will leave the engine alone and can make some extra content and polish the game design. If they have moved on to PS4 it will be another case of late and underdone. GT6 on PS3 would sove the DLC problem too. 'Here you go, $60 DLC pack'.

While many problems with GT5 are design choices, there are a ton that are because of the PS3s hardware limitations. The nasty ass shadows, framerate, tearing, cars on track, weather effects etc are noticeable to me and when I can recognize shit like that then there's a big problem. More powerful hardware would fix most of those problems so I hope PD move straight onto PS4 and Vita (not more powerful but I want it). That's my wish but looking at what's happened so far with GT5 I don't think it will happen. We've got zero DLC and my thought was that we would get Spec II this November, Spec III Nov 2012 etc however with the platinum version of GT5 releasing in October that does not look likely.

 

[Dead Man]

While many problems with GT5 are design choices, there are a ton that are because of the PS3s hardware limitations. The nasty ass shadows, framerate, tearing, cars on track, weather effects etc are noticeable to me and when I can recognize shit like that then there's a big problem. More powerful hardware would fix most of those problems so I hope PD move straight onto PS4 and Vita (not more powerful but I want it). That's my wish but looking at what's happened so far with GT5 I don't think it will happen. We've got zero DLC and my thought was that we would get Spec II this November, Spec III Nov 2012 etc however with the platinum version of GT5 releasing in October that does not look likely.

Fair enough. I think my main issues are content and design choices, I have problem with the way the game looks (other than the bloody tearing).

 

[SolidSnakex]

I've constantly expressed by view on this, PD is just a Sony dev after all and if Sony want the Vita to do well, GT will have to play a part. Since some PD employees moved to another area hopefully that gives them room to expand. Sony first party cannot ignore the Vita like they did the PSP, sadly the latter was fucked due to the PS3 being such a failure that all Sony first parties had to move to it in order to fix the mess. Not like there is isn't a market for the portable games, GT PSP was horrific and on a weak platform but still managed over 2 million, it better fucking happen. In terms of DLC I've never purchased any but this game was perfect for it, would have happily paid money to get new cars, tracks, TT like add on etc. We've got nothing at all though which makes it likely GT6 will be on the PS3.

Sony's first party didn't ignore the PSP because of the PS3's lack of success, they ignored it because they didn't want to develop for it. Most of Sony's internal teams are big tech heads, so it shouldn't be surprising that the PS3 was a lot more appealing to them. I think more first party devs will work on the Vita, but I still very much doubt that teams like Naughty Dog or Team ICO will ever release a title on that platform. I don't see why that's even an issue when you consider that Nintendo doesn't even internally develop all of their IP's. A game will sell if it's great and has a solid IP behind it. I think that Evolution could absolutely handle the GT brand.

 

[KingDizzi]

Using Nintendo in this case is such a bad example, their top teams make games for both the DS and Wii, for example the SMG team is making a 3DS game. Nintendo have the right idea, they have the teams that make the console games also make handheld games and look how well it's gone for them. I really would be shocked if Sony are giving their first party the choice to or to not make PSP/Vita games, if that's happening Sony need to think about the people they have employed making these decisions. Yoshida sounds like he's making sure the first parties all make games for Vita. Already seeing that with MM making a game for the Vita and hopefully we see the other top guys as in Santa Monica and ND also make games for the system. Gonna go out on a limb here and say that Vita sales will increase if all Sony first parties make games for the system, just got a hunch that Sony will like that.

Think Yamauchi is a has been though, he could easily fuck off and someone else would take over with no problem. I've seen no significant evolution with the GT franchise so cannot say he's that important anymore, lad just needs to chill out with Hironobu and talk about the days when they were good. Evolution need to get away from Motorstorm ASAP, just played Apocolypse and it's a very good games besides the lulz story but noone was online. Very talented but need to move onto something else, GT might be it but hope it's a new IP.

 

[Melfice7]

I really hope that Sony doesn't push PD toward developing GT Vita, and hopefully Kaz won't want to do it.

:lol 99% sure they are already on it for a while

Spoiler

 

[-viper-]

great vid :

Gran Turismo 5 Sound VS Real World - THE TRUTH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPH5E0WlKeg&feature=player_profilepage

watch it

Haha I would personally LOVE those kind of GT5 sounds.

I assume it's like that because of the off screen recording.

I'm surprised at how much difference a little bass makes. The actual sounds do sound EXTREMELY similar. The Gallardo in particular was superb.

 

[paskowitz]

Open room for those that wish to join: 1472 6118 3787 3251 0072

 

[brotkasten]

I really hope that Sony doesn't push PD toward developing GT Vita, and hopefully Kaz won't want to do it.

Yeah, GT PSP really looked like Kaz wanted to do this game ...

 

[spats]

According to a new product listing on Amazon France, Gran Turismo 5 will be joining the PlayStation 3’s “Platinum Range” less than one year after its release, on October 5, 2011.

http://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-platinum-edition-on-amazon-france-coming-this-fall/

Sony be trollin'.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

They better release Spec-II before that Platinum hits.

 

[Branson]

20,000,000 Creds finally. Wat do?

 

[Spectral Glider]

20,000,000 Creds finally. Wat do?

If you're like me, you buy a Ford Mark IV and find out it kind of sucks compared to the Jaguar XJ13.