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Coriolanus
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EotM is kind of what I expected when i first joined MMO's and heard about PvP. Big groups crossing zones, killing everything in its path and conquering the land, then every once in a while running into opposing players and curbstomping them.
EotM properly done feels almost exactly like PvE, down to the LoS stacking. Only big differences are checking the map to keep track of oppozing zergs, and always checking forts for arrow carts.
Fastest way to gain WvW ranks, besides outright buying them, is joining a good EotM train and popping a WXP booster. Will take you about 3 hours for 8 ranks, +-. Depends on how well keeps are flipped.
I'd say do it on an alt, if you dont need the karma or rare mats, in order to not throw all dat xp away. Join a group, tag stuff, and have fun. Make sure to pick a class with an inherent speed buff.
LumpOfCole
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Nemesis121
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This is my biggest issue with WvW, Anet fucked up when they allowed any time zone to go to any region, it's fucked up when you see 70man Asian guild blob attacking you with 10 Golems and all you have is 15 people to defend because the working class and college/high school gamers went to bed, and you can't fight off these timezone bastards..
Don't hate on JQ's strong Oceanic presence. Regardless, we showed up for coverage wars this week.
As an Asian who tried to hold on to our BL the entire day, I don't really mind the timezone issue. In the end, it's better to let people go where they want, so that they can be with friends.
Complistic
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They need to weigh points based on time of day, then I'd care more.
Nemesis121
Member
One thing they could do is make sure they have one tourney in Summer this way we have summer kids fighting off the Asian guilds, i saw this last summer before I Left YB for TC, i saw YB fight off FA with no problem because we had many school kids up all night, if they held one WvW tournament in the summer i wouldn't mind the current timezone fuck up..
Can't say I agree here. Last thing the game needs are restrictions on how, when and where you can play its modes.
It's our problem if the other team can show up and we can't.
Just realized it must go away at tomorrow's reset, so shamefully enough I think I will be one of the scrubs trying to grind out the last bits of my WvW meta tonight. I need a few more camps and yaks and ruins, so at least I won't be spending the whole night in the Edge 
As someone on TC I absolutely am going to hate on JQ's Oceanic presence.
It's surely not a coincidence that Sunday night into Monday (an american holiday) JQ commanders decided to pull 24 hour shifts, queue all 4 maps, and win the matchup in one fell swoop while no one was around to stop them. I logged in on Sunday afternoon and put up one hell of an effort to stop the bleeding on TCBL, but it was too late.
It seems to be my fate to lose matchups while I'm not around to make a difference, and by now I am getting kind of salty about it. SoR used to win every single weekend and dominate during NA every night. Go to sleep Sunday night, get home Monday evening to see the matchup lost. I call total bullshit! All these Asians need to go play GW2 China!
nah I don't actually care that much, but coverage wars is a huge issue that needs to be addressed but never will because...well because Anet
Vigilant Walrus
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I would like to see more gameplay options for aquiring points in WvW.
If it takes a whole zerg to capture everything, couldn't they make other ways for the scattered groups who are fewer in numbers and more spread out to get significant points?
All you do is capture buildings, kill guards or Dolyaks. Where are all the NPC inhabitants, and NPC mercenaries the losing side can send to attack SM when they are significantly outnumbered?
If WvW tries to replicate giant warfare I think there should be more managing SM and defend it, not just from players but from other things as well.
Alternatively, imagine if they just added ladders. Just easy ladders for players to scale wall, but scaling a wall leaves you vulnerable. It would basically mean that every keep you had would have to be constantly defended. Or at least the territories that was important. And if that's important then you cant have one side in a big zerg. It's the Roman Empire paradox. The more territory you have the more spread out your forces will have to be, and that's how it goes with a small uprising suddenly getting the upper hand when the main zerg army is steamrolling.
Ladders wouldn't be used in sieges with a lot defenders as people would die before climbing up. But it would have its place.
If it takes a whole zerg to capture everything, couldn't they make other ways for the scattered groups who are fewer in numbers and more spread out to get significant points?
All you do is capture buildings, kill guards or Dolyaks. Where are all the NPC inhabitants, and NPC mercenaries the losing side can send to attack SM when they are significantly outnumbered?
If WvW tries to replicate giant warfare I think there should be more managing SM and defend it, not just from players but from other things as well.
Alternatively, imagine if they just added ladders. Just easy ladders for players to scale wall, but scaling a wall leaves you vulnerable. It would basically mean that every keep you had would have to be constantly defended. Or at least the territories that was important. And if that's important then you cant have one side in a big zerg. It's the Roman Empire paradox. The more territory you have the more spread out your forces will have to be, and that's how it goes with a small uprising suddenly getting the upper hand when the main zerg army is steamrolling.
Ladders wouldn't be used in sieges with a lot defenders as people would die before climbing up. But it would have its place.
#TCtears just don't do it for me like #BGtears.
No, it's no coincidence that many on JQ decided to put in hardcore shifts on the final weekend of the tournament. But many of us were NA pulling crazy hours. If you feel no one was around to stop us, that's on y'all.
It could be cool to have a set number of NPCs always around trying to push and stuff, and as more people log on the NPCs disappear. But then they'd have to be at least Veteran status to not just be rally bots. So maybe 1 Veteran for every 5 players who aren't around or 1 Elite for every 10 players you are away from population cap.
As for the ladder idea, right now they have siege set as something that let's you get into buildings, but they also follow the rule that it takes time. It takes time so that the enemy team can respond before you're all up in their grill. So having a ladder siege equipment would probably only work if there was a special NPC that you had to pay a bunch of badges to get moving from spawn, and then escort all the way there. And then you'd still probably have to build your own siege to get through the inner wall. That said, this game doesn't do ladders. So we'd either get a staircase or a magical trampoline.
As for the ladder idea, right now they have siege set as something that let's you get into buildings, but they also follow the rule that it takes time. It takes time so that the enemy team can respond before you're all up in their grill. So having a ladder siege equipment would probably only work if there was a special NPC that you had to pay a bunch of badges to get moving from spawn, and then escort all the way there. And then you'd still probably have to build your own siege to get through the inner wall. That said, this game doesn't do ladders. So we'd either get a staircase or a magical trampoline.
Coriolanus
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Actually, a group of five can be quite the nuisance, just roaming the map and taking unguarded keeps. I've seen Kos and Cal ninja stuff quite a bit in the short time I've been with them.
Alas, that is very risky. Far safer and simpler to stay with the zerg, if you are not interested in the grand scheme.
Plus, y'know, smaller groups amp the individual skill requirement *quite* a bit.
They *could* find a way to implement a thief WvW infiltrator skill where, say, a thief can flat-out open the gates. I can't even imagine how to balance that, tho.
They would have to be scaled mind though as even champions are just a minor speed bump with enough people.
On a side note to everyone, you guys ever see that pack of centaur do these things?
1. Run into northwest camp to the supply drop, pause, then run out
2. Run up to northwest tower gate, pause, then run out
Nemesis121
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My friend is in a 50man strong WvW only guild and they have no plans next tournament to follow this BS 2v1 crap that bored the living hell of many gamers, they plan to attack JQ head on and they don't give a fuck about what the other commanders on TC say, if the guild leader hold true to his word I will rep them for the next tourney..
Several TC guilds did try during this tournament. [vX] I believe was a major one. It was cute.
They said they'd stay and fight with us but ended up transferring to TC for the tournament so you can see where they stand as a guild.
I was like, it's not really over, is it? Then I checked the scoreboard again. :\/
Yes, their score is pretty high compare to ours and every keeps and towers must be pretty upgrade by now. It would be too hard to get our stuff back and BP stuff too. We don't have enough manpower for that.
Jest Chillin
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I very much dislike that other regions of the world basically have control over the outcome of NA server WvW. I also disagree that it's our responsibility to find the coverage. I think that logic works only if we were dealing with varying shifts all originating from NA.
I have no issue with having players from all over the world on our servers except that since it's relatively few players (overall) they tend to stick to one or two servers so they have people to play with during their own primetime, which necessarily imbalances WvW. It's a problem that is the result of a perfect storm of WvW point mechanics and a lack of other regions having their own proper clients/servers. Until a solution is found, WvW will never be close to being an even playing field.
I have no issue with having players from all over the world on our servers except that since it's relatively few players (overall) they tend to stick to one or two servers so they have people to play with during their own primetime, which necessarily imbalances WvW. It's a problem that is the result of a perfect storm of WvW point mechanics and a lack of other regions having their own proper clients/servers. Until a solution is found, WvW will never be close to being an even playing field.
WvWintel.com is showing every keep is WP'd, including Stonemist. They can respond to any attack almost immediately, even when simultaneous attacks are conducted to try to make them split their forces. All we can do is pick at camps before the tick because they swarm in and take them right back as soon as RI drops.
Really. Fucking. Depressing. I think I'm just not going to play tonight at all.
Yeah, me too. I played way too much the last 2 weeks. I probably rank up 40-50 times during those weeks...
Hopefully, people that still need the meta can get it in EotM.
9PM EST, in 1 day and 2 hours.
Not going to take anything away from you guys. I'm the last person who can throw stones about being too hardcore WvW. If a large group of people on JQ decided it was worth giving up their holiday to win the season, then you deserve to have the victory.
Btw I think I may have asked you this before but never checked back: Do you rep [GAF] a lot on JQ? I sometimes see a warrior with that tag in WvW. Or what guild are you in / who do you follow?
lol [vX] was from SBI? I thought I recognized B Team Commander from somewhere. He's decent, I suppose, but it was kind of obnoxious that they transferred to TC without consent, and then went against the server majority by still attacking JQ. I found it to be selfish.
https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/wuv/wuv/Placing-of-tied-servers-Spring-Tournament
Since we will get the same amount of points as IoJ, we will get the 4th place rewards.
My brother is on JQ and as far as I know only represents GAF.
Unless FA decides to be a dick and let BP take everything they own unopposed while stopping SBI from sweeping in on freshly-papered objectives. That's what Yak's Bend did last season, to purposely drop SBI from second to third place on the last day. I think BP might be too far behind to catch up at this point, but if it starts happening early enough tonight I think it could happen if they get uninterrupted 500+ ticks.
I don't think they would do that, they don't hate us enough to do that. On http://www.gw2wvw.net/ they seems to respect us for pushing them against the wall.
Also, they would need to do it now. We have 199k and BP have 128k. 695*4*26= 72.3k
Not everyone does, but SBI stomped a lot of servers hard early on before Tier 1 shenanigans drove away our Oceanic coverage and started the decline. I don't think many besides Yak's Bend holds a grudge, but Yak's Bend is a terrible server anyway.
Which is fair enough, they played a good game and they put in the hours and manpower SBI couldn't. They deserve the win, that doesn't mean we have to be happy about it.
Mr_Antimatter
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Iron marches complete! really liking leveling via ascalon, never done these zones before. Fireheart rise is next.
Don't worry, I'm not happy about it! I am hoping to beat them next season.
Ascalon is my favorite region, I hope we go up to the Blood Legion homelands someday.
Can't be, that's light armor. Probably an ele, but it could be a necro.
Ahh, you're right. The double Incinerators threw me off.
LumpOfCole
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Nah, there's no bad blood right now between FA and SBI according to WvW forums - seems to be quite a bit of mutual respect over there.
http://www.gw2wvw.net/topic/fasbibp?page=2
Coriolanus
Banned
So.. if I interpreted the rewards chart correctly, enough for one mistforged hero`s weapon and 25 obsidian shards?
It's a shame that we can't break 400 for two hero weps that could then be upgraded to mistforged, but it's still pretty damn nice.
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