Guy accidentally shoots gun off in Target

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DonasaurusRex said:
theres gotta be a simpsons gif for this.
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Hold on, you mean to tell me there is no jail time for this kind of incidents? there is no, i dunno, charge for "negligent handling of fire arm in public spaces" or "endangering public safety"? Are you serious? How is that not enough for an arrest?
 
A - you should never tuck a gun into a waistband, that's what holsters are for
B - even if you drop a gun it would be better to let it fall and hit the floor, modern guns are designed to fire on an impact like that
C - this guy's an idiot
 
Hoo-doo said:
What kind of people do you associate with on Facebook breh. That shit is straight up a delusional power fantasy. That guy scares me more than the likelihood of getting shot and killed by a random criminal.
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i know too many lunatics, 90% of which i dont usually have any type of communication with but i have this weird OCD thing where i "collect" facebook friends no matter how much i despise them.
 
Neuromancer said:
A - you should never tuck a gun into a waistband, that's what holsters are for
B - even if you drop a gun it would be better to let it fall and hit the floor, modern guns are designed to fire on an impact like that
C - this guy's an idiot
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There are a lot of idiots that own guns and think they are good owners because as the rest of the modern world notes, every hour we get a moron with a gun story in the USA, there is no system in place to prevent idiots from owning guns.
 
Mammoth Jones said:
Moron should lose his carry permit. Most handguns are drop safe. Would have been better to just let it fall and hit the floor. Or better yet use a god damned holster properly.

I don't understand. We have a political climate that states time and time again not to judge an entire group based off the actions of some idiots.

Yet...it's ok if you don't like the group....?
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Mammoth Jones again is a voice of reason and consistency in conversations where SZOMG! hyperbole and snark are the mainstays of discussion.

This guy is a jerkoff for not using a holster and should absolutely lose his carry permit. But hundreds of thousands carry concealed every day, and one accidental discharge like this actually makes news. That should tell you something.

We are still waiting for the things the anti-gunners predicted in the 1980-90s when the idea of concealed carry was just starting to formulate. "OMG! There are going to be shootouts in the streets! Every fender bender will be a gunfight! It's going to be like the OK corral! Bodies everywhere!"

None of it has happened. And concealed carry has spread, even to blue states. Liberty and individual rights are winning. And that is why the puritanical anti-gun folks get more shrill and dishonest with each passing day.
 
appaws said:
None of it has happened. And concealed carry has spread, even to blue states. Liberty and individual rights are winning. And that is why the puritanical anti-gun folks get more shrill and dishonest with each passing day.
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Lol okay.
 
TI82 said:
http://www.citypages.com/news/klutz-discharges-gun-in-a-fridley-target-store-7898463
According to WCCO, the clumsy gun-toter was near the checkout lanes when the weapon slipped out from his waistband where it was not-so-securely tucked. As it fell to the floor, the armed butterfingers tried to grab it causing the gun to discharge in the process. The bullet bounced off the floor and hit the ceiling, fortunately hitting no one.
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What kind of idiot carries with a round in the chamber?

I've got no problem with letting people carry, but there should be strict liability laws for any discharge.

Your gun? Your responsibility.
 
appaws said:
Mammoth Jones again is a voice of reason and consistency in conversations where SZOMG! hyperbole and snark are the mainstays of discussion.

This guy is a jerkoff for not using a holster and should absolutely lose his carry permit. But hundreds of thousands carry concealed every day, and one accidental discharge like this actually makes news. That should tell you something.

We are still waiting for the things the anti-gunners predicted in the 1980-90s when the idea of concealed carry was just starting to formulate. "OMG! There are going to be shootouts in the streets! Every fender bender will be a gunfight! It's going to be like the OK corral! Bodies everywhere!"

None of it has happened. And concealed carry has spread, even to blue states. Liberty and individual rights are winning. And that is why the puritanical anti-gun folks get more shrill and dishonest with each passing day.
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And in situations such as:

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/tex...ots-carjacking-victim-in-head-then-runs-away/
 
cwmartin said:
If liberty is winning, why do I feel like I've lost my liberty to safety?
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He was talking about HIS liberty. Not yours.

I honestly don't mind people having guns. But taking them in a public place like a store is just asking for trouble. Sure, tons of gun owners every day don't fuck up like this dude, nor do they go on shooting sprees or leave their shit out. But that moment of negligence leads to a lost life.

If stricter gun laws meant that people need to holster their shit properly or ban them in potentially dangerous areas, I wouldn't mind. Walking around Wal-Mart with an AK isn't right.
 
appaws said:
None of it has happened. And concealed carry has spread, even to blue states. Liberty and individual rights are winning. And that is why the puritanical anti-gun folks get more shrill and dishonest with each passing day.
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your "liberty and individual right" are infringing on my right to feel safe in my own country due to your inadequacies
 
I had to show my driver's license with birth date to buy a bottle of Tylenol cold medicine at target.

The next aisle over could have some bozo shit turd fumbling around his loaded gun? Shit's fucked up man.
 
neogaffer1 said:
in an ideal world, his gun license should be revoked for a. having a gun tucked into his waistband and not a secure holster or something similar and b. having it both loaded and with the safety off.

however, knowing MURICA he'll get to keep the gun and hailed as a hero by the NRA or some shit.
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It my state it would be a class D felonoy (at least) and he'd lose his permit and maybe do a year in prison with a large fine.

I wonder what kind of gun it was. Many guns now days do not have a manual safety, just trigger and/or grip safeties.
 
Notrollious said:
your "liberty and individual right" are infringing on my right to feel safe in my own country due to your inadequacies
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The guy in the store had a regulated right to carry, but he demonstrated that he was too dumb or too careless to continue to have that responsibility. He should face prosecution for an accidental discharge according to the laws of that state.

Self-defense is an actual human right...your "feelings" are not.

I think that your inadequacy is what makes you feel the need to turn to the state to coddle you and make you feel safe.
 
appaws said:
Mammoth Jones again is a voice of reason and consistency in conversations where SZOMG! hyperbole and snark are the mainstays of discussion.

This guy is a jerkoff for not using a holster and should absolutely lose his carry permit. But hundreds of thousands carry concealed every day, and one accidental discharge like this actually makes news. That should tell you something.

We are still waiting for the things the anti-gunners predicted in the 1980-90s when the idea of concealed carry was just starting to formulate. "OMG! There are going to be shootouts in the streets! Every fender bender will be a gunfight! It's going to be like the OK corral! Bodies everywhere!"

None of it has happened. And concealed carry has spread, even to blue states. Liberty and individual rights are winning. And that is why the puritanical anti-gun folks get more shrill and dishonest with each passing day.
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If I were standing behind this guy in line, I'd have taken a bullet to the head.

God bless America.
 
appaws said:
The guy in the store had a regulated right to carry, but he demonstrated that he was too dumb or too careless to continue to have that responsibility. He should face prosecution for an accidental discharge according to the laws of that state.

Self-defense is an actual human right...your "feelings" are not.

I think that your inadequacy is what makes you feel the need to turn to the state to coddle you and make you feel safe.
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Totally agree with the bolded. I disagree that self-defense through lethal means is such a right.
 
appaws said:
Self-defense is an actual human right...your "feelings" are not.
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I'm pretty sure feelings of safety are generally considered basic human rights in most places. I mean owning a firearm for "self-defense" is usually due to a perceived sense of safety, not usually credible or demonstrable threats and we allow it on those grounds.
 
Somnid said:
I'm pretty sure feelings of safety are generally considered basic human rights in most places. I mean owning a firearm for "self-defense" is usually due to a perceived sense of safety, not usually credible or demonstrable threats and we allow it on those grounds.
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You are correct. "Freedom from fear" is widely considered a fundamental human right. FDR even listed it as one of his four freedoms. Of course you're not going to get Appaws to understand that. It's been locked into his brain that his interpretations are the only correct ones.
 
appaws said:
The guy in the store had a regulated right to carry, but he demonstrated that he was too dumb or too careless to continue to have that responsibility.
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Hey, let me think a second, doesn't that sound like... a gun control system?
(though I'd argue that the logical step would be to check this responsibility BEFORE even selling him a gun, maybe?)

I mean, you're basically admitting that some people shouldn't be allowed to wear a gun, which is a pro-gun control argument.
 
NoblesseOblige said:
You are correct. "Freedom from fear" is widely considered a fundamental human right. FDR even listed it as one of his four freedoms. Of course you're not going to get Appaws to understand that. It's been locked into his brain that his interpretations are the only correct ones.
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Of course. We all think our interpretations are the correct ones...that is why they are our interpretations. Duh.

Jisgsaw said:
Hey, let me think a second, doesn't that sound like... a gun control system?
(though I'd argue that the logical step would be to check this responsibility BEFORE even selling him a gun, maybe?)

I mean, you're basically admitting that some people shouldn't be allowed to wear a gun, which is a pro-gun control argument.
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Yes, of course. I have never advocated a completely unregulated ownership of firearms. I advocate a widespread civilian ownership of firearms. Of course there have to be some "controls." Controls that take away a right from a person who has demonstrated that they cannot properly use that right in the context of society are completely appropriate.

What I don't agree with is the idea that individual rights should be stripped from the entire population in the name of an illusion of safety. I don't believe that the state should have a monopoly on deadly force. But if a person is judged to have committed a felony crime, or misused a firearm, had due process rights and legal protections afforded to them, and been convicted by a jury of their peers, then they don't have that right anymore. I have no problem with that.
 
appaws said:
Of course. We all think our interpretations are the correct ones...that is why they are our interpretations. Duh.



Yes, of course. I have never advocated a completely unregulated ownership of firearms. I advocate a widespread civilian ownership of firearms. Of course there have to be some "controls." Controls that take away a right from a person who has demonstrated that they cannot properly use that right in the context of society are completely appropriate.

What I don't agree with is the idea that individual rights should be stripped from the entire population in the name of an illusion of safety. I don't believe that the state should have a monopoly on deadly force. But if a person is judged to have committed a felony crime, or misused a firearm, had due process rights and legal protections afforded to them, and been convicted by a jury of their peers, then they don't have that right anymore. I have no problem with that.
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and how does that bring back people that are dead because someone shot them by accident?
 
i've basically given up on the state, can't trust any cops, lawyers, judges

everyone should get some martial arts training, and a gun
 
appaws said:
Of course. We all think our interpretations are the correct ones...that is why they are our interpretations. Duh.
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We all have our personal opinion on the best option however not all of us limit ourselves to a single 'correct' one. I am a gun owner who of course would like to keep my firearms, and I believe more stringent control without an outright ban to be the ideal situation, however I feel somebody calling for a total ban is just as right as me. Our goals are the same, to do more to reduce the amount of gun violence and deaths. So I'm willing to give up my right to own in order to solve a larger issue if that is what the greater contingent desires.
 
appaws said:
None of it has happened. And concealed carry has spread, even to blue states. Liberty and individual rights are winning. And that is why the puritanical anti-gun folks get more shrill and dishonest with each passing day.
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appaws said:
The guy in the store had a regulated right to carry, but he demonstrated that he was too dumb or too careless to continue to have that responsibility. He should face prosecution for an accidental discharge according to the laws of that state.

Self-defense is an actual human right...your "feelings" are not.

I think that your inadequacy is what makes you feel the need to turn to the state to coddle you and make you feel safe.
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First of all, you're a cartoon character.

That said, your suggestion is to just worry about these things after someone is injured or killed by an idiot like this? How about putting required safety classes and training into place to help prevent it to begin with? Too many morons that have no idea what they're doing have guns. This is the end result, and it's hardly a rare occurrence.

Tesseract said:
i just bought myself a h&k usp full size tactical 9mm with a suppressor and subsonic rounds

concealed carry, hoping hb163 and sb300 run through so i can open carry everywhere
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This is what you felt you should contribute to this thread? This is why I can't take gun rights people seriously. It seems they'd rather just antagonize more than anything. They don't actually give a shit about anyone else's safety.
 
What variables had to be at play for this to happen:

Loaded, chambered, light trigger, safety off.

What a motherfucking idiot.
 
appaws said:
The guy in the store had a regulated right to carry, but he demonstrated that he was too dumb or too careless to continue to have that responsibility. He should face prosecution for an accidental discharge according to the laws of that state.

Self-defense is an actual human right...your "feelings" are not.

I think that your inadequacy is what makes you feel the need to turn to the state to coddle you and make you feel safe.
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owning a gun makes you feel safe does it not? so what's any different from how i feel? you can also defend yourself without a gun so. nice try.

lol go finish planning your revolution with your penis enhancer gun and pen or whatever your super amazing lawyer skills will do for you.

Tesseract said:
that's not a right
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and it's not a right for you to be a general shit poster and joke character yet you do it anyway

Link said:
This is what you felt you should contribute to this thread? This is why I can't take gun rights people seriously. It seems they'd rather just antagonize more than anything. They don't actually give a shit about anyone else's safety.
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they like antagonizing so people know they are so super cool and 1337 with their guns so that people know they could rambo their way through the us government because they are for more liberty and freedoms and against the coddling safe space nanny state blah blah blah
 
gai_shain said:
and how does that bring back people that are dead because someone shot them by accident?
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It doesn't. Nor does prosecuting any crime after it happens. Of course short of being clairvoyant it is the only way. The stats on recidivism seem to indicate that punishing crime by taking criminals out of the general population is at least partially effective. With due process and the jury system, of course.

Tesseract said:
i've basically given up on the state, can't trust any cops, lawyers, judges

everyone should get some martial arts training, and a gun
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Your instincts are correct. Of course, if people want to trust the dear old government with their personal safety, they have the right to do so.

NoblesseOblige said:
We all have our personal opinion on the best option however not all of us limit ourselves to a single 'correct' one. I am a gun owner who of course would like to keep my firearms, and I believe more stringent control without an outright ban to be the ideal situation, however I feel somebody calling for a total ban is just as right as me. Our goals are the same, to do more to reduce the amount of gun violence and deaths. So I'm willing to give up my right to own in order to solve a larger issue if that is what the greater contingent desires.
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You have your point of view. That's cool. Your earlier post seemed to imply that I am somehow deficient because I have an opinion which is strongly held. I have beliefs, I stand by them. So do you.

Sorry I disagree with you. I am not willing to give up any individual rights for supposed safety. I don't trust the state to reduce "gun violence and deaths." It is the state who has murdered tens of millions in the last century, not civilians with guns. We should never trust them. Some centralization is necessary to run a society, but the need for vigilance over those with power never goes away.

Sorry, off topic into minarchism. The guy should be prosecuted and never again be allowed to carry. I am betting we all agree on that.
 
Notrollious said:
owning a gun makes you feel safe does it not? so what's any different from how i feel? you can also defend yourself without a gun so. nice try.

lol go finish planning your revolution with your penis enhancer gun and pen or whatever your super amazing lawyer skills will do for you.
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You are right. My penis is not that impressive, but I guess it gets the job done. I have 8 or 9 guns...but I don't have 8 or 9 penises. So guilty as charged I guess.

Lol, we don't need a revolution because you are failing in your quest to take away our individual rights.


Notrollious said:
and it's not a right for you to be a general shit poster and joke character yet you do it anyway
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Shit poster=does not agree with you?


Notrollious said:
they like antagonizing so people know they are so super cool and 1337 with their guns so that people know they could rambo their way through the us government because they are for more liberty and freedoms and against the coddling safe space nanny state blah blah blah
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Wolverines!
 
Got damn the gun haters on this site. It was a damn accident, simple as that. Stop trying to turn everything into ant-gun propaganda.
 
appaws said:
Lol, we don't need a revolution because you are failing in your quest to take away our individual rights.
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Nope. We don't need a revolution period. We do need ignorant people with a hero complex like you to stop fetishing guns and fetishing revolution.

d0hv said:
Got damn the gun haters on this site. It was a damn accident, simple as that. Stop trying to turn everything into ant-gun propaganda.
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and how many fucking "accidents" must we deal with before we say enough is enough and don't let any inbred jackass own a gun and carry it around with them wherever the fucking go?
 
Calion said:
This wouldn't have happened if we had more guns
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If only the cashier had a gun, he/she would've been able to shoot the bullet to prevent it from ricocheting off the ground. And if a third person had a gun, he/she would've been able to shoot the other two bullets as they intersected to cancel their inertia so they just all drop straight down.

It's common sense, people!
 
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