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HALO 2 - No bots, and no low-gravity maps in multiplayer: Confirmed
- Thread starter Sai
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+1 Support for Tellaerin and Gore's stance on this.
For everyone who doesn't give a shit about bots, stop trying to polarize this into a "real" fans vs perceived haters battle. Claims that people are whining about this are overblown. Not one single person has said that the ommission of bots would be, by itself, cause for absolutely not buying the game. I don't think there is anyone here in this topic who isn't planning to buy the game. And it sounds like we've all played the original as well. It's absurd to expect everyone that enjoyed the first game and looks forward to the second to have the EXACT same expectations regarding improvements over the first. But I guess you're not a true fan of Halo unless you cheer every design decision Bungie makes in lockstep with every other true fan. What's the decibel level mandated for a cheer in support of dual pistol wielding again?
That said, it's obviously too late in the cycle to have any sort of influence on the no bots decision for Halo 2. Those of us that would have appreciated the feature can only express that in hope that Bungie/MS see the light for Halo 3.
For everyone who doesn't give a shit about bots, stop trying to polarize this into a "real" fans vs perceived haters battle. Claims that people are whining about this are overblown. Not one single person has said that the ommission of bots would be, by itself, cause for absolutely not buying the game. I don't think there is anyone here in this topic who isn't planning to buy the game. And it sounds like we've all played the original as well. It's absurd to expect everyone that enjoyed the first game and looks forward to the second to have the EXACT same expectations regarding improvements over the first. But I guess you're not a true fan of Halo unless you cheer every design decision Bungie makes in lockstep with every other true fan. What's the decibel level mandated for a cheer in support of dual pistol wielding again?
That said, it's obviously too late in the cycle to have any sort of influence on the no bots decision for Halo 2. Those of us that would have appreciated the feature can only express that in hope that Bungie/MS see the light for Halo 3.
kaching said:+1 Support for Tellaerin and Gore's stance on this.
For everyone who doesn't give a shit about bots, stop trying to polarize this into a "real" fans vs perceived haters battle. Claims that people are whining about this are overblown. Not one single person has said that the ommission of bots would be, by itself, cause for absolutely not buying the game. I don't think there is anyone here in this topic who isn't planning to buy the game. And it sounds like we've all played the original as well. It's absurd to expect everyone that enjoyed the first game and looks forward to the second to have the EXACT same expectations regarding improvements over the first. But I guess you're not a true fan of Halo unless you cheer every design decision Bungie makes in lockstep with every other true fan. What's the decibel level mandated for a cheer in support of dual pistol wielding again?
That said, it's obviously too late in the cycle to have any sort of influence on the no bots decision for Halo 2. Those of us that would have appreciated the feature can only express that in hope that Bungie/MS see the light for Halo 3.
No. Just cancel your preorders
Buy even more HL2 + Counterstrike time splitters single player was garbage. great environements but there's little to no story.Sp3eD said:
red faction2...where's the online support???
counter-strike/unreal tournament/unreal championship - with no real single player mode you better sure as hell include bots.
but i guess since bots were in, all of this is ok.
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Deleted member 1235
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I just don't get why everyone expected bots.
Neither do Bungie it seems
Bungie Rumors addressed
Looks like its just personal preference on the part of the people that made the game to me. As such you can't satisfy everyone.
Neither do Bungie it seems
Bungie Rumors addressed
Looks like its just personal preference on the part of the people that made the game to me. As such you can't satisfy everyone.
CrimsonSkies
Member
I didn't miss bots in Halo 1 and I won't in Halo 2.
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kaching said:
read the rumours addressed thing in the link I posted above for an answer to your query.
MightyHedgehog
Member
If you're online, the one-to-four-player-on-one-console-online thing makes the lack of bots a non-issue...since you'll be able to play against other players to fill out the game. If you're offline, well, do like you did the last time (LAN or smaller split-screen games).
Fixed2BeBroken
Member
Sai said:
they took out the melee combos thing?
peace
Folks speculate that Melee Combos, Sprinting, and Peeking/Leaning were axed because we haven't seen-- or rather, HEARD about them at all since the E32k3 Single Player Demo(We only saw Melee Combos and Peeking/Leaning there)... I wouldn't even doubt they were gone if Bungie or a few journalists would have said something about these features over past year, but since they haven't I'm going to assume that these additions have been axed.Fixed2BeBroken said:
To be honest, I never saw a really good use for Melee Combos, but I would like to see Sprinting and Peaking/Leaning implemented somehow.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
Goreomedy said:
Apparently, the mod bots on this board stop working.
And when you challenge the assertion that Halo is good/great but not '1447', jesus, watch out. There is no way Halo is not the best thing since God's first dump even though it's missing quite a few standard features.
Halo=no bots, no online
vs
Unreal Championship, damn near everything
but....
Halo +1...obviously.
Thank the Xbox Bots for enlightening me how annoying Nintendo fans can be. It's like seeing green grass on the other side, for the first time.
Fixed2BeBroken
Member
Sai said:
melee combos seemed interesting to me, but i honestly didnt care for it as much as sprinting and peaking/leaning...
awe man, i hope bungie didnt take those things out.
So that the people who cannot get LIVE because of money issues or no broadband available in their area, and/or and little to no friends to play with in LAN setups would be satisfied with multiplayer.
Melee combos really didn't seem like much, to be honest. What we saw the Master Chief use on the Brute-- Could you honestly say you could get away with something like that against an Elite, Hunter, or Brute on Legendary difficulty?... Anyways, the way it seems to work out now is that melee attacks change depending on distance. If you are far away from them, the melee attack will stun the opponent a bit.
There is supposed to be a bigger focus on vehicles. HALO 2's Single Player Campaign will be 4-5 times bigger than the one in HALO. Still, I can find uses for Sprinting. I just didn't like the idea of pushing fowad on the analouge stick to use it.Saturnman said:
Melee combos really didn't seem like much, to be honest. What we saw the Master Chief use on the Brute-- Could you honestly say you could get away with something like that against an Elite, Hunter, or Brute on Legendary difficulty?... Anyways, the way it seems to work out now is that melee attacks change depending on distance. If you are far away from them, the melee attack will stun the opponent a bit.
LINK
I guess that's the other Warthog flippin' enemy that was hinted at a few times earlier. That just about confirms it.
Including this one, there are two Covenant enemies we have yet to see... The other is a very small and agile one that can scale walls 'n' such, if I remember correctly. It was mentioned in the Updates.Sai said:LINK
I guess that's the other Warthog flippin' enemy that was hinted at a few times earlier. That just about confirms it.
we have yet to see the new hunters too
Sai said:
Melee combos are (were?) one of the new features I was most looking forward to. I cant say enough how many times I had to melee a elite or even a grunt more than once. If they cut a combo system I hope you can at least melee a little faster in succession, which I suppose is a combo anyways.
ced said:
Not only were combos in the beta, but so were different melee attacks depending on how close to your enemy you are. I read impressions over at CVG that described the melee for the battle rifle, and how up close it was a crushing downward smash, but from further out the MC swung it like a baseball bat.
Sai said:Surprisingly, I forgot all about that.
The mags should be hitting sometime within the next week, if I remember correctly. Can't wait to see what Single Player Campaign looks like now. Hope they show some bits and parts of the NEW New Mombasa.
They are in the next issue of EGM and XBN. They are both taking on Campaign, with different content in each (bastards - now I have to buy two mags).
Didn't the last issue of EGM hit subscribers about a week ago? Wouldn't that mean we still have three weeks? Or do I have my timetable screwed up?
*edit*
Anim8erJB has been subtley hinting that Campaign simply blows away anything we've seen so far on other boards. Not that I needed to add to Sai's frothing demand....
HalfPastNoon said:
Yeah, I've had this feeling for months now that most people just don't quite understand how ambitous Halo 2 is. I have a feeling that it will entirely redifine what is expected of sequels, and perhaps games, altogether.
My expectations are through the roof, and I fully expect to be blow away. Consider the following:
*Bungie widely considers Halo to have been a heavily comprimised game, crunched to meet the XBox launch.
*Halo none the less turned into one of the most widely acclaimed games of all time (haters be damned), not to mention one of the best selling.
*Bungie was given an open book to create whatever they could with Halo 2 - as much time, resources and freedom as they wanted.
We will be pwned. Mark my words.
HalfPastNoon said:
Making a game Live-enabled is not a substitute for bot support. That was thoroughly explained earlier in this thread. You're right about it being too late to expect a change of heart from Bungie this late in the game, but omitting multiplayer bots was really a poor design decision no matter how you slice it.
Moving on to lighter subjects...
As far as the melee combos go, I wonder if they were implemented thanks to Itagaki? I seem to recall a magazine snippet where he suggested that if Master Chief is able to wield a Covenant plasma sword in Halo 2, he should be able to combo with it. Maybe the idea was already on the drawing board beforehand and Itagaki's statement was just a coincidence, but it'd definitely be neat if they worked that little touch in as a response to his suggestion.