Halo 4: Review Thread

Yogsam said:
I really want to see what Jackswastedlife (most appropiate name in the world) responds to HiredN00bs. He nail'd it big time
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If the guy was smart, he'd just leave the thread, period. Even if he was right, trying to defend his review is just unprofessional.
 
JdFoX187 said:
If the guy was smart, he'd just leave the thread, period. Even if he was right, trying to defend his review is just unprofessional.
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It's not unprofessional, it's just really stupid at this point. Why would I ever want to aim down the sights in a Halo game? It's fucking Halo.
 
TemplaerDude said:
It's not unprofessional, it's just really stupid at this point. Why would I ever want to aim down the sights in a Halo game? It's fucking Halo.
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The review itself is fine. It's his opinion, however controversial it may be. But going onto a forum and arguing with members about it is unprofessional. Not everyone is going to agree and there's no need to justify what he wrote.
 
TemplaerDude said:
It's not unprofessional, it's just really stupid at this point. Why would I ever want to aim down the sights in a Halo game? It's fucking Halo.
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Besides, most of the guns don't even have "sights" on them. They are connected to your spartan's HUD via a video cable, iirc.

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ADS should be removed from every game that's not ARMA

Halo is modeled off of Quake, UT, and other arena shooters of the 90s. It's bad enough that they are putting in all the other progression mechanics to get that COD audience. To ask them to put ADS is just hilariously wrong
 
JdFoX187 said:
The review itself is fine. It's his opinion, however controversial it may be. But going onto a forum and arguing with members about it is unprofessional. Not everyone is going to agree and there's no need to justify what he wrote.
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I disagree, it's one thing I really like about GAF, the amount of people in the industry who are willing to jump in the discussion one way or another, whether it's a developer talking about their game or, in this case, a writer coming on to defend his point of view. Of course it could easily devolve into a pissing match that one could consider unprofessional, but there's nothing wrong with someone posting on here to explain their piece and thought process.

I will say I consider him to be hilariously wrong in this regard, as do most of the people in here I think, but I certainly welcome his take on everything.
 
HiredN00bs said:
People were "bent out of shape" about your "iron sights" comment because it demonstrated a basic ignorance of the different shooting mechanics in Call of Duty and Halo--an ignorance that someone who reviews video games for a living shouldn't have. But, none of us are perfect, and some of these things may slip by someone who only casually plays the games (and at that point I would blame the editor for the poor decision of assigning such a person to review such a game).

The Aim-Down Sights (ADS) mechanic in Call of Duty isn't unique to the series, but it factors heavily into its gameplay. ADS grants greater precision, at the trade-off of lesser movement speed. It is worth noting that you can get a headshot in Call of Duty with just about any of the guns.

The Zoom mechanic in Halo is almost exclusively a feature of the headshot-capable weapons (although some other weapons may have it...Rockets come to mind, and in Halo 4, some headshot-capable weapons don't have it, such as the Promethean Pistol). This is because the other weapons trade precision for some other quality, like the close-range devastation of the Shotgun or Energy Sword, or the close to mid-range high rate-of-fire domination of the Assault Rifle.

Zooming in Halo does not restrict movement speed. There is an entirely different set of rules, carefully planned out to ensure balance between the various distinct kinds of weaponry. And they are VERY distinct. The weapons in Call of Duty have far less variation, and are built around the ADS mechanic--this is a crucial point. ADS is not an objective evolution in game design, but rather a tool used to craft a certain TYPE of game.

The Fishstick control scheme was built to make the game more accessible to Call of Duty players who are more accustomed to that button layout. I don't play Call of Duty very often, but I did finish the campaigns in Modern Warfare 1 & 2 on Veteran, and I bet I could switch from my Recon configuration to Fishstick without skipping a beat, just as it is when I jump between playing Halo and Call of Duty.

You didn't make some brave step in journalism, nor did you stir some designer at 343 Industries to wake from his traditional Halo slumber. It's not even about our bias towards Halo games. Halo 4 could very well suck, and takes many, MANY cues from CoD that gives the average fan pause, to say the least. What you did was make a huge leap in logic by assuming that because Call of Duty is most popular, it is an objectively better design. Here's hoping you learn from this experience.
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TEH-CJ said:
and your a joke.

whats this about flip flopping? what happened to liking both consoles?? is that not allowed?

I like some games on xbox and some games on ps3. and I dislike games on both consoles. its not hard to understand. and I'm pretty vocal about it.

check my post history. go for it lol. what are you going to find? me liking games on both consoles...
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Your post history is filled with dribble. Your reply was "your a joke" and you flip between being a ps3 fanboy etc. When I read your posts I feel like I'm on Gamefaqs. The only reason I haven't ignored you yet is because it's mildly entertaining watching you try to form coherent sentences and throw your opinion around again and again.
 
I think people take reviews too seriously, and I love controversial opinions. It seems like reviewers all have the same viewpoint which is really boring. Everyone has different gaming tastes and that should be expressed.

You don't like the restrictive set pieces of the Uncharted series? Than say it.

Hate the plodding shooting mechanics of Gears of War? I'm interested to understand why.

But...

HiredN00bs said:
People were "bent out of shape" about your "iron sights" comment because it demonstrated a basic ignorance of the different shooting mechanics in Call of Duty and Halo--an ignorance that someone who reviews video games for a living shouldn't have. But, none of us are perfect, and some of these things may slip by someone who only casually plays the games (and at that point I would blame the editor for the poor decision of assigning such a person to review such a game).

The Aim-Down Sights (ADS) mechanic in Call of Duty isn't unique to the series, but it factors heavily into its gameplay. ADS grants greater precision, at the trade-off of lesser movement speed. It is worth noting that you can get a headshot in Call of Duty with just about any of the guns.

The Zoom mechanic in Halo is almost exclusively a feature of the headshot-capable weapons (although some other weapons may have it...Rockets come to mind, and in Halo 4, some headshot-capable weapons don't have it, such as the Promethean Pistol). This is because the other weapons trade precision for some other quality, like the close-range devastation of the Shotgun or Energy Sword, or the close to mid-range high rate-of-fire domination of the Assault Rifle.

Zooming in Halo does not restrict movement speed. There is an entirely different set of rules, carefully planned out to ensure balance between the various distinct kinds of weaponry. And they are VERY distinct. The weapons in Call of Duty have far less variation, and are built around the ADS mechanic--this is a crucial point. ADS is not an objective evolution in game design, but rather a tool used to craft a certain TYPE of game.

The Fishstick control scheme was built to make the game more accessible to Call of Duty players who are more accustomed to that button layout. I don't play Call of Duty very often, but I did finish the campaigns in Modern Warfare 1 & 2 on Veteran, and I bet I could switch from my Recon configuration to Fishstick without skipping a beat, just as it is when I jump between playing Halo and Call of Duty.

You didn't make some brave step in journalism, nor did you stir some designer at 343 Industries to wake from his traditional Halo slumber. It's not even about our bias towards Halo games. Halo 4 could very well suck, and takes many, MANY cues from CoD that gives the average fan pause, to say the least. What you did was make a huge leap in logic by assuming that because Call of Duty is most popular, it is an objectively better design. Here's hoping you learn from this experience.
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God damn this was a 5 star take down.
 
Stripper13 said:
Your post history is filled with dribble. Your reply was "your a joke" and you flip between being a ps3 fanboy etc. When I read your posts I feel like I'm on Gamefaqs. The only reason I haven't ignored you yet is because it's mildly entertaining watching you try to form coherent sentences and throw your opinion around again and again.
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Lmao whatever man. you seriously expect me to take you seriously after checking your post history?

90% of your post's consist of halo and xbox. and your calling me the fanboy? give me a break.

who are you to insult my intelligence? you know nothing about me buddy, just because I don't share the same opinion as you doesn't make me an idiot. we all have opinions, end of the day everything is subjective.

I fucking put money if EGM gave this a 10 you guys would be praising the site to no end. this is fact, don't deny it.

im out of this thread. Love halo, respect the series, but the fanbase are the most obnoxious and pretentious morons I have ever dealt with. and I deal with a lot of morons on a daily basis..believe me. but they take the cake.
 
TEH-CJ said:
im out of this thread. Love halo, respect the series, but the fanbase are the most obnoxious and pretentious morons I have ever dealt with. and I deal with a lot of morons on a daily basis..believe me. but they take the cake.
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Says the guy trolling the fans of a particular game. Brilliant.
 
TEH-CJ said:
Lmao whatever man. you seriously expect me to take you seriously after checking your post history?

90% of your post's consist of halo and xbox. and your calling me the fanboy? give me a break.

who are you to insult my intelligence? you know nothing about me buddy, just because I don't share the same opinion as you doesn't make me an idiot. we all have opinions, end of the day everything is subjective.

I fucking put money if EGM gave this a 10 you guys would be praising the site to no end. this is fact, don't deny it.

im out of this thread. Love halo, respect the series, but the fanbase are the most obnoxious and pretentious morons I have ever dealt with. and I deal with a lot of morons on a daily basis..believe me. but they take the cake.
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No one needs to insult your intelligence, your posts speak volumes on the matter. Your posts are rife with spelling/grammatical errors and exceptional flaws in logical thinking.

Also, the cake is a lie.
 
HiredN00bs said:
People were "bent out of shape" about your "iron sights" comment because it demonstrated a basic ignorance of the different shooting mechanics in Call of Duty and Halo--an ignorance that someone who reviews video games for a living shouldn't have. But, none of us are perfect, and some of these things may slip by someone who only casually plays the games (and at that point I would blame the editor for the poor decision of assigning such a person to review such a game).

The Aim-Down Sights (ADS) mechanic in Call of Duty isn't unique to the series, but it factors heavily into its gameplay. ADS grants greater precision, at the trade-off of lesser movement speed. It is worth noting that you can get a headshot in Call of Duty with just about any of the guns.

The Zoom mechanic in Halo is almost exclusively a feature of the headshot-capable weapons (although some other weapons may have it...Rockets come to mind, and in Halo 4, some headshot-capable weapons don't have it, such as the Promethean Pistol). This is because the other weapons trade precision for some other quality, like the close-range devastation of the Shotgun or Energy Sword, or the close to mid-range high rate-of-fire domination of the Assault Rifle.

Zooming in Halo does not restrict movement speed. There is an entirely different set of rules, carefully planned out to ensure balance between the various distinct kinds of weaponry. And they are VERY distinct. The weapons in Call of Duty have far less variation, and are built around the ADS mechanic--this is a crucial point. ADS is not an objective evolution in game design, but rather a tool used to craft a certain TYPE of game.

The Fishstick control scheme was built to make the game more accessible to Call of Duty players who are more accustomed to that button layout. I don't play Call of Duty very often, but I did finish the campaigns in Modern Warfare 1 & 2 on Veteran, and I bet I could switch from my Recon configuration to Fishstick without skipping a beat, just as it is when I jump between playing Halo and Call of Duty.

You didn't make some brave step in journalism, nor did you stir some designer at 343 Industries to wake from his traditional Halo slumber. It's not even about our bias towards Halo games. Halo 4 could very well suck, and takes many, MANY cues from CoD that gives the average fan pause, to say the least. What you did was make a huge leap in logic by assuming that because Call of Duty is most popular, it is an objectively better design. Here's hoping you learn from this experience.
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DAT ETHER.
 
TEH-CJ said:
Lmao whatever man. you seriously expect me to take you seriously after checking your post history?

90% of your post's consist of halo and xbox. and your calling me the fanboy? give me a break.

who are you to insult my intelligence? you know nothing about me buddy, just because I don't share the same opinion as you doesn't make me an idiot. we all have opinions, end of the day everything is subjective.

I fucking put money if EGM gave this a 10 you guys would be praising the site to no end. this is fact, don't deny it.

im out of this thread. Love halo, respect the series, but the fanbase are the most obnoxious and pretentious morons I have ever dealt with. and I deal with a lot of morons on a daily basis..believe me. but they take the cake.
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I have never stated anything but being a fan of Halo on this forum? I talk about cars, Halo, a few other games here and there. I don't post much at all. What I don't do, is troll threads and make ridiculous statements like 'I'm a ps3 fanboy so no bias'. I imagine the other morons you deal with on a daily basis must make school difficult.
 
HiredN00bs said:
People were "bent out of shape" about your "iron sights" comment because it demonstrated a basic ignorance of the different shooting mechanics in Call of Duty and Halo--an ignorance that someone who reviews video games for a living shouldn't have. But, none of us are perfect, and some of these things may slip by someone who only casually plays the games (and at that point I would blame the editor for the poor decision of assigning such a person to review such a game).

The Aim-Down Sights (ADS) mechanic in Call of Duty isn't unique to the series, but it factors heavily into its gameplay. ADS grants greater precision, at the trade-off of lesser movement speed. It is worth noting that you can get a headshot in Call of Duty with just about any of the guns.

The Zoom mechanic in Halo is almost exclusively a feature of the headshot-capable weapons (although some other weapons may have it...Rockets come to mind, and in Halo 4, some headshot-capable weapons don't have it, such as the Promethean Pistol). This is because the other weapons trade precision for some other quality, like the close-range devastation of the Shotgun or Energy Sword, or the close to mid-range high rate-of-fire domination of the Assault Rifle.

Zooming in Halo does not restrict movement speed. There is an entirely different set of rules, carefully planned out to ensure balance between the various distinct kinds of weaponry. And they are VERY distinct. The weapons in Call of Duty have far less variation, and are built around the ADS mechanic--this is a crucial point. ADS is not an objective evolution in game design, but rather a tool used to craft a certain TYPE of game.

The Fishstick control scheme was built to make the game more accessible to Call of Duty players who are more accustomed to that button layout. I don't play Call of Duty very often, but I did finish the campaigns in Modern Warfare 1 & 2 on Veteran, and I bet I could switch from my Recon configuration to Fishstick without skipping a beat, just as it is when I jump between playing Halo and Call of Duty.

You didn't make some brave step in journalism, nor did you stir some designer at 343 Industries to wake from his traditional Halo slumber. It's not even about our bias towards Halo games. Halo 4 could very well suck, and takes many, MANY cues from CoD that gives the average fan pause, to say the least. What you did was make a huge leap in logic by assuming that because Call of Duty is most popular, it is an objectively better design. Here's hoping you learn from this experience.
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Damn, great post. Halo already HAS taken cues from COD - sprint, calldowns, etc. And he wants iron sights too. Lmao
 
TEH-CJ said:
Oh whatever man. grow up.

I love halo 3 and CE, I can have an opinion like anyone else. Just because I didn't like halo 4 means I'm a sony lover?

if I was praising halo 4 and calling it the best thing next to a warm vagina you would be calling me a champ.
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Curious and yes a serious question but have you actually played Halo 4? You're talking in past tense as if you played it which would either mean you pirated it or work for a publication.

In all honesty, most folks here really don't know if Halo 4 is deserving of a "7" yet because most people here haven't played it. I can say personally that from watching the leaked campaign walkthrough from beginning to end that what I saw really impressed me. As in, I always liked Halo but this made me an even bigger fan. Hopefully it plays as good as it looks, which I have no doubt it will.
 
HiredN00bs said:
People were "bent out of shape" about your "iron sights" comment because it demonstrated a basic ignorance of the different shooting mechanics in Call of Duty and Halo--an ignorance that someone who reviews video games for a living shouldn't have. But, none of us are perfect, and some of these things may slip by someone who only casually plays the games (and at that point I would blame the editor for the poor decision of assigning such a person to review such a game).

The Aim-Down Sights (ADS) mechanic in Call of Duty isn't unique to the series, but it factors heavily into its gameplay. ADS grants greater precision, at the trade-off of lesser movement speed. It is worth noting that you can get a headshot in Call of Duty with just about any of the guns.

The Zoom mechanic in Halo is almost exclusively a feature of the headshot-capable weapons (although some other weapons may have it...Rockets come to mind, and in Halo 4, some headshot-capable weapons don't have it, such as the Promethean Pistol). This is because the other weapons trade precision for some other quality, like the close-range devastation of the Shotgun or Energy Sword, or the close to mid-range high rate-of-fire domination of the Assault Rifle.

Zooming in Halo does not restrict movement speed. There is an entirely different set of rules, carefully planned out to ensure balance between the various distinct kinds of weaponry. And they are VERY distinct. The weapons in Call of Duty have far less variation, and are built around the ADS mechanic--this is a crucial point. ADS is not an objective evolution in game design, but rather a tool used to craft a certain TYPE of game.

The Fishstick control scheme was built to make the game more accessible to Call of Duty players who are more accustomed to that button layout. I don't play Call of Duty very often, but I did finish the campaigns in Modern Warfare 1 & 2 on Veteran, and I bet I could switch from my Recon configuration to Fishstick without skipping a beat, just as it is when I jump between playing Halo and Call of Duty.

You didn't make some brave step in journalism, nor did you stir some designer at 343 Industries to wake from his traditional Halo slumber. It's not even about our bias towards Halo games. Halo 4 could very well suck, and takes many, MANY cues from CoD that gives the average fan pause, to say the least. What you did was make a huge leap in logic by assuming that because Call of Duty is most popular, it is an objectively better design. Here's hoping you learn from this experience.
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HiredN00bs said:
People were "bent out of shape" about your "iron sights" comment because it demonstrated a basic ignorance of the different shooting mechanics in Call of Duty and Halo--an ignorance that someone who reviews video games for a living shouldn't have. But, none of us are perfect, and some of these things may slip by someone who only casually plays the games (and at that point I would blame the editor for the poor decision of assigning such a person to review such a game).

The Aim-Down Sights (ADS) mechanic in Call of Duty isn't unique to the series, but it factors heavily into its gameplay. ADS grants greater precision, at the trade-off of lesser movement speed. It is worth noting that you can get a headshot in Call of Duty with just about any of the guns.

The Zoom mechanic in Halo is almost exclusively a feature of the headshot-capable weapons (although some other weapons may have it...Rockets come to mind, and in Halo 4, some headshot-capable weapons don't have it, such as the Promethean Pistol). This is because the other weapons trade precision for some other quality, like the close-range devastation of the Shotgun or Energy Sword, or the close to mid-range high rate-of-fire domination of the Assault Rifle.

Zooming in Halo does not restrict movement speed. There is an entirely different set of rules, carefully planned out to ensure balance between the various distinct kinds of weaponry. And they are VERY distinct. The weapons in Call of Duty have far less variation, and are built around the ADS mechanic--this is a crucial point. ADS is not an objective evolution in game design, but rather a tool used to craft a certain TYPE of game.

The Fishstick control scheme was built to make the game more accessible to Call of Duty players who are more accustomed to that button layout. I don't play Call of Duty very often, but I did finish the campaigns in Modern Warfare 1 & 2 on Veteran, and I bet I could switch from my Recon configuration to Fishstick without skipping a beat, just as it is when I jump between playing Halo and Call of Duty.

You didn't make some brave step in journalism, nor did you stir some designer at 343 Industries to wake from his traditional Halo slumber. It's not even about our bias towards Halo games. Halo 4 could very well suck, and takes many, MANY cues from CoD that gives the average fan pause, to say the least. What you did was make a huge leap in logic by assuming that because Call of Duty is most popular, it is an objectively better design. Here's hoping you learn from this experience.
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HiredN00bs said:
People were "bent out of shape" about your "iron sights" comment because it demonstrated a basic ignorance of the different shooting mechanics in Call of Duty and Halo--an ignorance that someone who reviews video games for a living shouldn't have. But, none of us are perfect, and some of these things may slip by someone who only casually plays the games (and at that point I would blame the editor for the poor decision of assigning such a person to review such a game).

The Aim-Down Sights (ADS) mechanic in Call of Duty isn't unique to the series, but it factors heavily into its gameplay. ADS grants greater precision, at the trade-off of lesser movement speed. It is worth noting that you can get a headshot in Call of Duty with just about any of the guns.

The Zoom mechanic in Halo is almost exclusively a feature of the headshot-capable weapons (although some other weapons may have it...Rockets come to mind, and in Halo 4, some headshot-capable weapons don't have it, such as the Promethean Pistol). This is because the other weapons trade precision for some other quality, like the close-range devastation of the Shotgun or Energy Sword, or the close to mid-range high rate-of-fire domination of the Assault Rifle.

Zooming in Halo does not restrict movement speed. There is an entirely different set of rules, carefully planned out to ensure balance between the various distinct kinds of weaponry. And they are VERY distinct. The weapons in Call of Duty have far less variation, and are built around the ADS mechanic--this is a crucial point. ADS is not an objective evolution in game design, but rather a tool used to craft a certain TYPE of game.

The Fishstick control scheme was built to make the game more accessible to Call of Duty players who are more accustomed to that button layout. I don't play Call of Duty very often, but I did finish the campaigns in Modern Warfare 1 & 2 on Veteran, and I bet I could switch from my Recon configuration to Fishstick without skipping a beat, just as it is when I jump between playing Halo and Call of Duty.

You didn't make some brave step in journalism, nor did you stir some designer at 343 Industries to wake from his traditional Halo slumber. It's not even about our bias towards Halo games. Halo 4 could very well suck, and takes many, MANY cues from CoD that gives the average fan pause, to say the least. What you did was make a huge leap in logic by assuming that because Call of Duty is most popular, it is an objectively better design. Here's hoping you learn from this experience.
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HiredN00bs said:
People were "bent out of shape" about your "iron sights" comment because it demonstrated a basic ignorance of the different shooting mechanics in Call of Duty and Halo--an ignorance that someone who reviews video games for a living shouldn't have. But, none of us are perfect, and some of these things may slip by someone who only casually plays the games (and at that point I would blame the editor for the poor decision of assigning such a person to review such a game).

The Aim-Down Sights (ADS) mechanic in Call of Duty isn't unique to the series, but it factors heavily into its gameplay. ADS grants greater precision, at the trade-off of lesser movement speed. It is worth noting that you can get a headshot in Call of Duty with just about any of the guns.

The Zoom mechanic in Halo is almost exclusively a feature of the headshot-capable weapons (although some other weapons may have it...Rockets come to mind, and in Halo 4, some headshot-capable weapons don't have it, such as the Promethean Pistol). This is because the other weapons trade precision for some other quality, like the close-range devastation of the Shotgun or Energy Sword, or the close to mid-range high rate-of-fire domination of the Assault Rifle.

Zooming in Halo does not restrict movement speed. There is an entirely different set of rules, carefully planned out to ensure balance between the various distinct kinds of weaponry. And they are VERY distinct. The weapons in Call of Duty have far less variation, and are built around the ADS mechanic--this is a crucial point. ADS is not an objective evolution in game design, but rather a tool used to craft a certain TYPE of game.

The Fishstick control scheme was built to make the game more accessible to Call of Duty players who are more accustomed to that button layout. I don't play Call of Duty very often, but I did finish the campaigns in Modern Warfare 1 & 2 on Veteran, and I bet I could switch from my Recon configuration to Fishstick without skipping a beat, just as it is when I jump between playing Halo and Call of Duty.

You didn't make some brave step in journalism, nor did you stir some designer at 343 Industries to wake from his traditional Halo slumber. It's not even about our bias towards Halo games. Halo 4 could very well suck, and takes many, MANY cues from CoD that gives the average fan pause, to say the least. What you did was make a huge leap in logic by assuming that because Call of Duty is most popular, it is an objectively better design. Here's hoping you learn from this experience.
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ADS balances the massive handicap of using a gamepad by letting you crank up your sensitivity and use ADS for slower precision aiming. It's no surprise that people have come to rely on that mechanic.

Halo isn't a twitch shooter though, so it doesn't really matter if it has ADS.
 
HiredN00bs said:
People were "bent out of shape" about your "iron sights" comment because it demonstrated a basic ignorance of the different shooting mechanics in Call of Duty and Halo--an ignorance that someone who reviews video games for a living shouldn't have. But, none of us are perfect, and some of these things may slip by someone who only casually plays the games (and at that point I would blame the editor for the poor decision of assigning such a person to review such a game).

The Aim-Down Sights (ADS) mechanic in Call of Duty isn't unique to the series, but it factors heavily into its gameplay. ADS grants greater precision, at the trade-off of lesser movement speed. It is worth noting that you can get a headshot in Call of Duty with just about any of the guns.

The Zoom mechanic in Halo is almost exclusively a feature of the headshot-capable weapons (although some other weapons may have it...Rockets come to mind, and in Halo 4, some headshot-capable weapons don't have it, such as the Promethean Pistol). This is because the other weapons trade precision for some other quality, like the close-range devastation of the Shotgun or Energy Sword, or the close to mid-range high rate-of-fire domination of the Assault Rifle.

Zooming in Halo does not restrict movement speed. There is an entirely different set of rules, carefully planned out to ensure balance between the various distinct kinds of weaponry. And they are VERY distinct. The weapons in Call of Duty have far less variation, and are built around the ADS mechanic--this is a crucial point. ADS is not an objective evolution in game design, but rather a tool used to craft a certain TYPE of game.

The Fishstick control scheme was built to make the game more accessible to Call of Duty players who are more accustomed to that button layout. I don't play Call of Duty very often, but I did finish the campaigns in Modern Warfare 1 & 2 on Veteran, and I bet I could switch from my Recon configuration to Fishstick without skipping a beat, just as it is when I jump between playing Halo and Call of Duty.

You didn't make some brave step in journalism, nor did you stir some designer at 343 Industries to wake from his traditional Halo slumber. It's not even about our bias towards Halo games. Halo 4 could very well suck, and takes many, MANY cues from CoD that gives the average fan pause, to say the least. What you did was make a huge leap in logic by assuming that because Call of Duty is most popular, it is an objectively better design. Here's hoping you learn from this experience.
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lol this thread has been great. I love Halo-gaf's ability to provide thoughtful posts one moment but also humorous ones the next. Definitely one of the better communities on GAF, along with the Souls and tech communities IMO.

Regarding the complaint about the repetition of moving to the next button to push or object to blow up in the campaign, can't that be said for any Halo game? IMO the replayability of Halo's campaigns have everything to do with the co-op and dynamic nature of the AI, not the prime objective. The fact that I can play a firefight 3 times and it plays differently every time is why I replay Halo games.
 
HiredN00bs said:
People were "bent out of shape" about your "iron sights" comment because it demonstrated a basic ignorance of the different shooting mechanics in Call of Duty and Halo--an ignorance that someone who reviews video games for a living shouldn't have. But, none of us are perfect, and some of these things may slip by someone who only casually plays the games (and at that point I would blame the editor for the poor decision of assigning such a person to review such a game).

The Aim-Down Sights (ADS) mechanic in Call of Duty isn't unique to the series, but it factors heavily into its gameplay. ADS grants greater precision, at the trade-off of lesser movement speed. It is worth noting that you can get a headshot in Call of Duty with just about any of the guns.

The Zoom mechanic in Halo is almost exclusively a feature of the headshot-capable weapons (although some other weapons may have it...Rockets come to mind, and in Halo 4, some headshot-capable weapons don't have it, such as the Promethean Pistol). This is because the other weapons trade precision for some other quality, like the close-range devastation of the Shotgun or Energy Sword, or the close to mid-range high rate-of-fire domination of the Assault Rifle.

Zooming in Halo does not restrict movement speed. There is an entirely different set of rules, carefully planned out to ensure balance between the various distinct kinds of weaponry. And they are VERY distinct. The weapons in Call of Duty have far less variation, and are built around the ADS mechanic--this is a crucial point. ADS is not an objective evolution in game design, but rather a tool used to craft a certain TYPE of game.

The Fishstick control scheme was built to make the game more accessible to Call of Duty players who are more accustomed to that button layout. I don't play Call of Duty very often, but I did finish the campaigns in Modern Warfare 1 & 2 on Veteran, and I bet I could switch from my Recon configuration to Fishstick without skipping a beat, just as it is when I jump between playing Halo and Call of Duty.

You didn't make some brave step in journalism, nor did you stir some designer at 343 Industries to wake from his traditional Halo slumber. It's not even about our bias towards Halo games. Halo 4 could very well suck, and takes many, MANY cues from CoD that gives the average fan pause, to say the least. What you did was make a huge leap in logic by assuming that because Call of Duty is most popular, it is an objectively better design. Here's hoping you learn from this experience.
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KageMaru said:
Regarding the complaint about the repetition of moving to the next button to push or object to blow up in the campaign, can't that be said for any Halo game? IMO the replayability of Halo's campaigns have everything to do with the co-op and dynamic nature of the AI, not the prime objective. The fact that I can play a firefight 3 times and it plays differently every time is why I replay Halo games.
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I think the fact that that can be said of every Halo game is exactly the issue for some reviewers. Maybe this far into the generation and gaming in general, we should be expecting more interesting things to do in a campaign than the same bunch of goals we had in 2001.

However I totally agree with your point that the actual endpoint objectives of the missions are irrelevant to the gameplay. When you think of Halo, you don't think of pressing buttons and blowing up objects, you think of the combat sandbox and all the well-made encounters with groups of AI. That's what I find most issue with in the reviews so far, when they talk about the campaign they downplay or barely mention the actual designs of the encounters and go on about how "you're just going somewhere to push a button". That's not the point and it never has been.
 
RealDeadOne said:
I think the fact that that can be said of every Halo game is exactly the issue for some reviewers. Maybe this far into the generation and gaming in general, we should be expecting more interesting things to do in a campaign than the same bunch of goals we had in 2001.

However I totally agree with your point that the actual endpoint objectives of the missions are irrelevant to the gameplay. When you think of Halo, you don't think of pressing buttons and blowing up objects, you think of the combat sandbox and all the well-made encounters with groups of AI. That's what I find most issue with in the reviews so far, when they talk about the campaign they downplay or barely mention the actual designs of the encounters and go on about how "you're just going somewhere to push a button". That's not the point and it never has been.
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Yeah I completely agree that we should be moving beyond button pressing by now. It was just odd that while I've seen this issue pointed out in a few reviews, only the writer of EGM allows this issue to effect his view of this specific campaign overall so dramatically.
 
I've been busy with work so this thread has gotten away from me but who the heck is Jackswastedlife and why has he taken over this thread?
 
Alienshogun said:
No one needs to insult your intelligence, your posts speak volumes on the matter. Your posts are rife with spelling/grammatical errors and exceptional flaws in logical thinking.
Also, the cake is a lie.
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This^ Wish Mods ban Jr. already. Put him on ignore weeks ago yet his ignorance reeks in Halo threads.
 
clashfan said:
I've been busy with work so this thread has gotten away from me but who the heck is Jackswastedlife and why has he taken over this thread?
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He's the writer for EGM who reviewed Halo 4.

NobleGundam said:
This^ Wish Mods ban Jr. already. Put him on ignore a weeks ago yet his ignorance reeks in Halo threads.
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No way, I hope they keep him around in his jr status just for the comedic value. His posts are so illogical and all over the place that you can't help but laugh. =p
 
TEH-CJ said:
Lmao whatever man. you seriously expect me to take you seriously after checking your post history?

90% of your post's consist of halo and xbox. and your calling me the fanboy? give me a break.

who are you to insult my intelligence? you know nothing about me buddy, just because I don't share the same opinion as you doesn't make me an idiot. we all have opinions, end of the day everything is subjective.

I fucking put money if EGM gave this a 10 you guys would be praising the site to no end. this is fact, don't deny it.

im out of this thread. Love halo, respect the series, but the fanbase are the most obnoxious and pretentious morons I have ever dealt with. and I deal with a lot of morons on a daily basis..believe me. but they take the cake.
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Hey nao
 
Yogsam said:
It's not because you hated Halo 4, its because...



Guys, guys! Why don't we list our top 5 systems and their DEFINITIVE game! And all you can name is PS3, PS3, PS3.

Or maybe, is because...



Yeah, I know. This doesn't mean anything! We all have consoles we love. So no, maybe is not this, but...


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24549376&postcount=8133

Maybe is that quote above? It could be anything, my friend.
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please dont do this shit
 
Yogsam said:
It's not because you hated Halo 4, its because...



Guys, guys! Why don't we list our top 5 systems and their DEFINITIVE game! And all you can name is PS3, PS3, PS3.

Or maybe, is because...



Yeah, I know. This doesn't mean anything! We all have consoles we love. So no, maybe is not this, but...


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24549376&postcount=8133

Maybe is that quote above? It could be anything, my friend.
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Just stop. There is no point. He doesn't like Halo 4. That's fine. No need to dig up posts from 2010. It's a bit childish. If you don't like the guy that much just ignore him.
 
HiredN00bs said:
People were "bent out of shape" about your "iron sights" comment because it demonstrated a basic ignorance of the different shooting mechanics in Call of Duty and Halo--an ignorance that someone who reviews video games for a living shouldn't have. But, none of us are perfect, and some of these things may slip by someone who only casually plays the games (and at that point I would blame the editor for the poor decision of assigning such a person to review such a game).

The Aim-Down Sights (ADS) mechanic in Call of Duty isn't unique to the series, but it factors heavily into its gameplay. ADS grants greater precision, at the trade-off of lesser movement speed. It is worth noting that you can get a headshot in Call of Duty with just about any of the guns.

The Zoom mechanic in Halo is almost exclusively a feature of the headshot-capable weapons (although some other weapons may have it...Rockets come to mind, and in Halo 4, some headshot-capable weapons don't have it, such as the Promethean Pistol). This is because the other weapons trade precision for some other quality, like the close-range devastation of the Shotgun or Energy Sword, or the close to mid-range high rate-of-fire domination of the Assault Rifle.

Zooming in Halo does not restrict movement speed. There is an entirely different set of rules, carefully planned out to ensure balance between the various distinct kinds of weaponry. And they are VERY distinct. The weapons in Call of Duty have far less variation, and are built around the ADS mechanic--this is a crucial point. ADS is not an objective evolution in game design, but rather a tool used to craft a certain TYPE of game.

The Fishstick control scheme was built to make the game more accessible to Call of Duty players who are more accustomed to that button layout. I don't play Call of Duty very often, but I did finish the campaigns in Modern Warfare 1 & 2 on Veteran, and I bet I could switch from my Recon configuration to Fishstick without skipping a beat, just as it is when I jump between playing Halo and Call of Duty.

You didn't make some brave step in journalism, nor did you stir some designer at 343 Industries to wake from his traditional Halo slumber. It's not even about our bias towards Halo games. Halo 4 could very well suck, and takes many, MANY cues from CoD that gives the average fan pause, to say the least. What you did was make a huge leap in logic by assuming that because Call of Duty is most popular, it is an objectively better design. Here's hoping you learn from this experience.
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This. This right here.
 
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