Nollemaster
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To be fair, the BR is way more off in the MCC than it was in the original Halo 3. Me and a friend went back to H3 on the 360 some time ago and leading shots was way more predictable there.
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Halo 5: Guardians |OT5| Is HaloGAF irrelevant now?
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To be fair, the BR is way more off in the MCC than it was in the original Halo 3. Me and a friend went back to H3 on the 360 some time ago and leading shots was way more predictable there.
You can look up my bookmarks, I have tons of good remakes and maps in them cause I host lobbies on H5 forge pretty often
GT IHaveAnIce you guys can also all add me
Fata1moose
Banned
We could have had an interesting human air vehicle, that added something new to the sandbox, like the Falcon with its airbus qualities. Instead we have a re-skinned Phaeton that ruins the early flow of a game. While the weapon sandbox in Halo 5 is the best, the vehicular side of things needs to be improved for Halo 6. The Scorpion is slow, the Mantis is useless and the Hog is a death trap.
YourExWife
Member
Mantis is actually usable now, to be fair. Scorpions need speed boost for sure.
The Falcon is an incredible vehicle because it's requires two people to actually operate, meaning that you need to have a competent gunner and a competent pilot in order to operate efficiently, like a Warthog. You can't have a shit gunner and a good driver or a shit driver and a good gunner. That's why I feel the low REQ price for a Warthog is permissible - the skill floor for its use makes it difficult to use efficiently, justifying the low price. The Wasp has no such downside. It does a bunch of damage and is very agile. Most early game players aren't going to have the REQs they need to deal with one, let alone multiple Wasps.
The Wasp needs to be REQ level 4 or 5. The ONI Wasp needs an actual buff and the Banshee needs a considerable nerf. It either needs to be more expensive, less maneuverable, do less damage, or have less health.
jizzlobber
Member
don't get me started on wasps, it's a big reason why I stopped playing warzone
The infantry v vehicle combat is fucked in this game.
The main issue is that nearly every vehicle instantly turns the driver into a one man army.
It's fine to have vehicles where the pilot is lethal, but in these cases there should be a power:ease ratio that is adhered to. The more powerful a vehicle is, the more difficult it should be to use effectively. The Banshee has a one hit kill in the Banshee Bomb, and that's fine. But it shouldnt also have insane tracking, ridiculous maneuverability, and an overshield.
So many of the vehicles in this game fall into the same trap
The main issue is that nearly every vehicle instantly turns the driver into a one man army.
It's fine to have vehicles where the pilot is lethal, but in these cases there should be a power:ease ratio that is adhered to. The more powerful a vehicle is, the more difficult it should be to use effectively. The Banshee has a one hit kill in the Banshee Bomb, and that's fine. But it shouldnt also have insane tracking, ridiculous maneuverability, and an overshield.
So many of the vehicles in this game fall into the same trap
Samurai G0SU
Member
I remember a time when warzone was a little fun and i played it regularly.
YourExWife
Member
Hey guys! Hola from HaloGAF @ PAX South!
GringoSuave89
Banned
Hey guys! Hola from HaloGAF @ PAX South!
Look at all these fucking losers
totally not sad I'm not there... :'(
FATstronaut
Member
Damn! that second guy is hawt!!!Hey guys! Hola from HaloGAF @ PAX South!
GringoSuave89
Banned
I hear his mom is.... nah we all know the joke by now
I got extremely lucky and managed to participate in a halo 5 4v4 tournament in the city I live in yesterday. I had a lot of fun even though I also had a lot of bad luck during the tournament. The team I was on for the tournament got knocked into the loser bracket, but we managed to win against one team in the loser bracket but we got knocked in the next round because we were down a team member and the team we were facing easily destroyed my team.
YourExWife
Member
Oops, forgot to say (I'm in full margarita mode right now, my bad). Left to right is Me, FATstronaut, Zoojoo, and Mix.
(not pictured: FAT's mom)
Fahzgoolin
Banned
FAT did you lose weight? Looking suave bruh
I miss Mix. He's a jolly dude to have around.
I miss Mix. He's a jolly dude to have around.
Halo world championship update:
Remember that Qualifier tournament in STL, where "Amatuer" teams ALG and Inconceivable (Bubu Dubu) outplaced Pro Team Pnda (Cratos) in the hunt for valuable seeding points for HWC?
Well tonight we learned that tournament was essentially, fucking pointless.
Pro teams were awarded HWC 16,000 seeding points just for being 'Pros'. Actual placements in the tournament were only worth upto a couple thousand points.
What this means: an AM team could have came in 1st place on LAN and would be looking at an 8th seed at best for the Vegas Qualifier. A Pro team could have placed 13-16,or even skipped the tournament all together, and would get at worst a 7th place seed in Vegas. The top 6 teams in vegas will get to go to World's.
In the weeks leading up to Vegas, there will be a few online cups that will award additional seeding points. But wins are only worth a few hundred. The best AM has NO CHANCE at closing the gap with the worst Pro.
So essentially, the system was designed to stack the deck in favor of the Pro teams.this is especially troublesome because it's been repeatedly proven that Pnda is worse than several of the Top Amatuer squads. And that top AM squads are more than capable of going the distance with Pro teams.
It doesn't help that NO ONE provided any insight into how points would be allocated until AFTER STL took place. The community didn't get a chance to complain about how FUCKING STUPID this is until it was too late.
With millions of dollars on the line, why is ESL putting so much effort into ruining the integrity of the competition? What do they have against fairness? Why is 343 content with ESLs repeat mishandling of this league? Shit like this seriously puts a dampener on what would otherwise a pretty enjoyable product.
Remember that Qualifier tournament in STL, where "Amatuer" teams ALG and Inconceivable (Bubu Dubu) outplaced Pro Team Pnda (Cratos) in the hunt for valuable seeding points for HWC?
Well tonight we learned that tournament was essentially, fucking pointless.
Pro teams were awarded HWC 16,000 seeding points just for being 'Pros'. Actual placements in the tournament were only worth upto a couple thousand points.
What this means: an AM team could have came in 1st place on LAN and would be looking at an 8th seed at best for the Vegas Qualifier. A Pro team could have placed 13-16,or even skipped the tournament all together, and would get at worst a 7th place seed in Vegas. The top 6 teams in vegas will get to go to World's.
In the weeks leading up to Vegas, there will be a few online cups that will award additional seeding points. But wins are only worth a few hundred. The best AM has NO CHANCE at closing the gap with the worst Pro.
So essentially, the system was designed to stack the deck in favor of the Pro teams.this is especially troublesome because it's been repeatedly proven that Pnda is worse than several of the Top Amatuer squads. And that top AM squads are more than capable of going the distance with Pro teams.
It doesn't help that NO ONE provided any insight into how points would be allocated until AFTER STL took place. The community didn't get a chance to complain about how FUCKING STUPID this is until it was too late.
With millions of dollars on the line, why is ESL putting so much effort into ruining the integrity of the competition? What do they have against fairness? Why is 343 content with ESLs repeat mishandling of this league? Shit like this seriously puts a dampener on what would otherwise a pretty enjoyable product.
ExWife mate, I don't know how to tell you this, but you are purple.
Are you sure that you are a real human bean?
ESL needs to be dropped. Period.
They just need to give MLG the control over the league, without the developer even interfering with it too much. Bungie never seemed to care what MLG did outside of official matchmaking and that turned out pretty well. MLG had the freedom to evolve Competetive Halo and boy did it make progress from Halo CE -> 2 -> 3. Every single year the viewer numbers rose, the number of events increased and the size of venues and attendees rose. And that was several YEARS ago. Today, we have much better equipment/technology and 343i (and the tournament organizators) are ALWAYS having trouble with stuff like audio or whatever else there is. It's just unbelievably frustrating the way it currently is.
Also, to put some more salt in peoples wound's... From Towey's (EG Coach) Twitter:
Are you sure that you are a real human bean?
ESL needs to be dropped. Period.
They just need to give MLG the control over the league, without the developer even interfering with it too much. Bungie never seemed to care what MLG did outside of official matchmaking and that turned out pretty well. MLG had the freedom to evolve Competetive Halo and boy did it make progress from Halo CE -> 2 -> 3. Every single year the viewer numbers rose, the number of events increased and the size of venues and attendees rose. And that was several YEARS ago. Today, we have much better equipment/technology and 343i (and the tournament organizators) are ALWAYS having trouble with stuff like audio or whatever else there is. It's just unbelievably frustrating the way it currently is.
Also, to put some more salt in peoples wound's... From Towey's (EG Coach) Twitter:
YourExWife
Member
Lol. Thanks to the lighting, I suppose I am more a human eggplant.
FATstronaut
Member
Yeah I've lost 53 pounds! Thanks man!
Adam who works on MLG is consistently on the teambeyond forums. While nothing has ever officially been announced nor do I think anything is in the works right now, Adam constantly says he is willing to work with 343 for an MLG event. It can still happen.
I think the trend these days is to officially full-partner or run your own league. It's now recognized fully as part of your marketing so companies like having full control over that from top to bottom.
YourExWife
Member
Lvl 4 has always been one pack. It tells you the rewards to expect in the game under your commendations.
It's not as active as it used to be but it's not bad. Never have a problem getting matches during prime time especially on featured maps. Maybe take advantage of the EB Games 7 day return policy and give it a try to see for yourself.
SLIMstronaut!
That has nothing to do with it. Parts of HWC 2016 were run by mlg.
Gears of war is also run by MLG.
Appparently MLG could have been in Halo 5 as a secondary TO (like UGC Gfinity and Millenial Esports are) but declined because ESL wanted to place a hard wall between AMs and Pro's.
It looked like ESL broke with that stance when they started announcing these opens, but this seeding point situation is essentially a soft wall.
ESL just has it all wrong at a fundamental level and MLG rightfully wouldnt buy into that
Samurai G0SU
Member
Drop esl!!!!!!
blue_phazon
Member
Drop ESL
hire GOSU
black undersuits
hire GOSU
black undersuits
btb pistol starts
Good shit. I'm starting keto again tomorrow. Last time I was on it I dropped nearly 50 pounds in three months. Fuckin' carbs will kill you.
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Samurai G0SU
Member
Well i do have a phd in creative development/leadership. Whats up stinkles? I think i can make those grunts even more sexier with my voice. What say you?
sir_dany12
Member
Fata1moose
Banned
Bummer Tali can't go to the Citadel due to Trumps executive order.Good shit. I'm starting keto again tomorrow. Last time I was on it I dropped nearly 50 pounds in three months. Fuckin' carbs will kill you.
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This has absolutely nothing to do with it. Gears is run by MLG.
ESL's rules make no fucking sense. Can't wait till they are dropped.
FATstronaut
Member
Yeah keto is the best!Good shit. I'm starting keto again tomorrow. Last time I was on it I dropped nearly 50 pounds in three months. Fuckin' carbs will kill you.
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Also: LMAO
YourExWife
Member
Dude intergalactic customs are a bitch lately.
sounds legit
Prinz Eugn
Member
I actually had a pretty pleasant solo Warzone experience last night, maybe all the super srs people were trying to find matches in Ultra Extreme Ironically Tryhard Uber Warzone?
But the REQ creep is getting pretty bad, a lot of people have enough of a REQ warehouse to call in awesome things right away. Three banshees coming down all at once ain't that fun. It's sort of destroying the casual mode for the casuals.
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Yep, the air vehicles are poorly balanced in general, but it's practically traditional at this point. RIP Rifles on Ascension.
The Falcon was cool in theory, but had such a high skill/coordination floor that it only worked as intended like 5% of the time. Needing two gunners, and then each gunner having a pretty limited field of view (they couldn't shoot completely forward, for chrissakes) made it just difficult to coordinate. It was basically a flying Triple Kill.
What would make more sense is just having a nose turret and needing a gunner for that, which is uh, how attack helicopters actually work and what has been implemented in other games. But Bungie had to Bungie.
ON hogs, I think the ONI hogs should be a little more expensive, the time to kill is absurd.
But the REQ creep is getting pretty bad, a lot of people have enough of a REQ warehouse to call in awesome things right away. Three banshees coming down all at once ain't that fun. It's sort of destroying the casual mode for the casuals.
Hey guys! Hola from HaloGAF @ PAX South!
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Yep, the air vehicles are poorly balanced in general, but it's practically traditional at this point. RIP Rifles on Ascension.
The Falcon was cool in theory, but had such a high skill/coordination floor that it only worked as intended like 5% of the time. Needing two gunners, and then each gunner having a pretty limited field of view (they couldn't shoot completely forward, for chrissakes) made it just difficult to coordinate. It was basically a flying Triple Kill.
What would make more sense is just having a nose turret and needing a gunner for that, which is uh, how attack helicopters actually work and what has been implemented in other games. But Bungie had to Bungie.
ON hogs, I think the ONI hogs should be a little more expensive, the time to kill is absurd.
Oh man, Falcon in split screen was such an awesome vehicle. I remember how my friend would be a gunner and i'd pilot it (with Warthogs, i was the gunner and he drove).
The secondary gunner is irrelevant, because effective flying usually presented only one side for enemies.
As long as we could prevent enemies from using lasers and rockets, we could dominate the battlefield pretty well (assuming enemy sniper or DMR guys didn't wise up).
Sure, the Falcon requires a lot of coordination but that's fine, if they can do that, they deserve it. For maps with Falcons, there could be a specialized anti-air power weapon, would make a good objective for both sides if there are good fliers.
That said, moving the gunner to a bubble turret in the front might be a good idea, make it a bit easier to use for poorly coordinated crew. But if so, i'd add some cargo/passenger room in the rear so that the aircraft would be like a miniature Hind or Pelican. Give the pilot an ability to lift a Mongoose or Ghost...
The secondary gunner is irrelevant, because effective flying usually presented only one side for enemies.
As long as we could prevent enemies from using lasers and rockets, we could dominate the battlefield pretty well (assuming enemy sniper or DMR guys didn't wise up).
Sure, the Falcon requires a lot of coordination but that's fine, if they can do that, they deserve it. For maps with Falcons, there could be a specialized anti-air power weapon, would make a good objective for both sides if there are good fliers.
That said, moving the gunner to a bubble turret in the front might be a good idea, make it a bit easier to use for poorly coordinated crew. But if so, i'd add some cargo/passenger room in the rear so that the aircraft would be like a miniature Hind or Pelican. Give the pilot an ability to lift a Mongoose or Ghost...
Prinz Eugn
Member
Okay emailed
And that's kind of why it was dumb. Having it be a 2-man vehicle with the gunner switching sides would have made more sense, or just having a dedicated gunner position with a side seat for objectives like a flying warthog.
I do think it's fair to say that even random teams have an easier time of steamrolling now just because the Halo 5 equivalent of RTS rush cheeses are pretty effective. I'm wondering if the solution for future games is to create a team-wide REQ energy pool so people can't call in three tanks or Banshees or the like, or whether that creates more problems than it solves (incentivizes griefing) and whether it's better to leave edge cases alone and just balance per-vehicle. Obviously the Banshee has a lot of vectors it could be nerfed (removing the FRG on the base and/or higher REQ variants, tying flips to boost gauge, reducing boost gauge, etc.) so it seems like the "simpler" solution.
Samurai G0SU
Member
See you in the office Monday.
User 73706
Banned
Hey guys! Hola from HaloGAF @ PAX South!
i see ian and mix have been working on their wet bandits-style Totally Platonic Partners In Crime smiles
mix is like 90% wet bandits smile and 10% arson smile though
orichalcos
Member
Its fake and old, but awesome. 
