Poker Face
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Yea that's good.
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Halo |OT 20| It really does feel like Halo
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Yea that's good.
Welfare
Member
You should get a negative point for quitting no matter what. Hell, besides having a connection drop, you should just lose a point for quitting while you're winning for being a dumbass.
VisceralBowl
Member
bluescreenofdeath.jpg
Also, I guess I've been promoted from Junior... umm... congrats to me?
(what's the threshold for that anyway?)
I've no problem with them improving ranks. Making everyone's ranks invisible however, just makes them pointless. It's like leaderboards. I don't care what my score is, I care what my score is in comparison to my friends and others.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
That cutscene in Halo 3 of MC walking through the hangar (or base?) while we hear Marines chatter. "It's a Spartan!" etc.
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Der Flatulator
Member
The rationale was that the likelihood of someone quitting whilst winning for an exploitative manner is considerably lower than dropping out or legitimately having to quit. Plus, a winning team losing a player might result in a more even game.
I just want to quote FUNKNOWN all day. He too dreams of a day where everyone wants to play Halo: CE
aHebrewMenagerie
Member
My favorite thing about Halo 3 was going into the lobby, seeing that people in the game were higher levels than me, and knowing i was going to have to play smarter and better in order to win and beat them, because I wanted to prove that I was better than them. It felt really good when you beat someone several levels higher than them.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
Did you get the same feeling when you trashed a level 18 who bought a level 50 account?
People did care about rank, a lot. Any time spent playing at higher levels showed that. No one quit a 4v4 game of 40s/symbols. Nobody. People fought tooth and nail for those ranks.
Yes, people caring so much about their ranks contributed to cheating. But the fault lay with Bungie's seeming inability to appropriately respond to that cheating, not with the ranks themselves. With dedicated servers, network manipulation is no longer an issue, so that cheating is out. The Xbox One wraps all its content in .xvd containers which are signed, so modifying game data is out of the question as well.
Halo 3's ranking system was a joke, as the 50s meant nothing. I sucked at Halo 3 and barely played it, but I had 50s in multiple playlists.
Blue Ninja
Member
Holy shit, Peril in those gameplay videos sounds almost exactly like the London Philharmonic Orchestra version.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
But the thing you and those who think like this never realize is if someone bought their 50, what are the chances they're going to play on it? Unlikely.
Either way, say they played, showed off their 50 and get dominated, then why does that bother you? Does that really warrant not having visible ranks? So in either scenario, that's a terrible argument when trying to support no visible ranks IMO.
This is the reality for many people.
mm... I'm trying to imagine Palmer fangirling MC.
How that scene would've been made better without changing it much:
There FTFY 343! lol
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
Good post, but the bolded is incorrect.
I played numerous high level TS games where people quit and deranked and all that shit. Which in turn lead to losing matches and was bug annoyance.
I cared about my Halo 2 rank. And having that happen was a pain in the ass, and hopefully ita something they can solve for Halo 5.
Although I see no solution to people being asses online.
aHebrewMenagerie
Member
There's always going to be people who slip through the cracks. For me, removing visible ranks for other people ruins the competitive of the game for me. Why should I care about winning when only I can see my ranks and I can't prove to other people how good I am at the game?
Allow people to rejoin matches they've dropped out of. If they don't reconnect within X amount of minutes they get a quit penalty.
TriStateTryHard
Member
Network manipulation absolutely could be an issue depending on how they handle things like minimum packet rate, network smoothing factors like predictive animations, and ping equalization should they choose to employ something like that.
TRD Mr Blonde
Member
No visible ranks for every one to see is upsetting, especially since they are bringing back the symbols. What I want to know is how do they handle this situation?
Random guy A is a legit lvl 48
Random guy B is a legit lvl 50 but has deranked to lvl 30 or is using an alternate account.
Random guy B is also partied up with Random guy A with the intent to draw in lesser skilled players to boost his buddy.
I'm a legit lvl 45 and enter matchmaking and im lucky enough to get grouped against these guys. What are my team mates lvl's?
Halo 3 handled this terribly to where I eventually grew tired of the game. Halo 3 would place team mates of lvl 38-42 on my team thus making the match unfair. It sounds like whining I know but the amount of times it has happened eventually drove me crazy.There was an obvious flaw in how this was handled.
Random guy A is a legit lvl 48
Random guy B is a legit lvl 50 but has deranked to lvl 30 or is using an alternate account.
Random guy B is also partied up with Random guy A with the intent to draw in lesser skilled players to boost his buddy.
I'm a legit lvl 45 and enter matchmaking and im lucky enough to get grouped against these guys. What are my team mates lvl's?
Halo 3 handled this terribly to where I eventually grew tired of the game. Halo 3 would place team mates of lvl 38-42 on my team thus making the match unfair. It sounds like whining I know but the amount of times it has happened eventually drove me crazy.There was an obvious flaw in how this was handled.
If your internet goes down that's kinda annoying though.
I think the best system would be you get a penalty if you have multiple quits within a certain time frame.
Having a quit or two a week shouldn't penalise you. Maybe something similar to the way Reach did it except instead of a ban you get a penalty.
aHebrewMenagerie
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Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
It doesn't bother me. But playing high level and having someone on your team who bought the account and sucked was a reality that occurred now and then.
I'm for having visible ranks over nothing at all.
I'd prefer a new better system however.
I've highlighted the negatives of the system, not just that one situation. Feel free to propose an alternative.
Or just do what you usually do and post a gif or quote someone who agrees with you and add a full stop.
I agree with you. I'm trying to open the discussion and find an even better alternative though. Something with less drawbacks.
I loved getting better and seeing my rank increase.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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Edit: dp
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Wake me..
when this forum is safe.
GluedOnBeard
Member
I'm actually not fussed about other people seeing my rank. I played to get my rank up for my own personal achievement. Not so someone I don't know went oh look he's 45 but because I am 45 I don't really give a damn!
Satisfaction for me comes in grinding those levels out and performing well each game. The only downside to this is if guys are ranked much higher than you it would be nice to see in the postgame what the levels were so you know if you did really well or crushed some unfortunate low levels who got matched up with you.
That way people won't quit out before starting a match. Won't we also get player profiles on some kind of Halo Waypoint so you can brag about it that way if you really need to?
Satisfaction for me comes in grinding those levels out and performing well each game. The only downside to this is if guys are ranked much higher than you it would be nice to see in the postgame what the levels were so you know if you did really well or crushed some unfortunate low levels who got matched up with you.
That way people won't quit out before starting a match. Won't we also get player profiles on some kind of Halo Waypoint so you can brag about it that way if you really need to?
BeamImpact
Member
hehe
GringoSuave89
Banned
It's gonna take a while to get used to Cortana, but everything else is pitch perfect.
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
Oh my fucking god, I can't watch anymore. It looks outrageously good.
aHebrewMenagerie
Member
Maybe start having some sort of qualification system in place? Say, you're a level 50, and all of a sudden you start playing far below your skill level, after X amount of games, the game starts to start deranking you vastly until it gets to the appropriate skill level you're playing at.
It's not really compatible with the Halo 2 system, since it would have to include variables beyond just W/L, but it's something, I suppose.
I played a lot of Halo 2. As in months worth of total hours played. Not once did I see anyone quit out (barring when the other team was cheating) in 4v4 TS matches where everyone was at a 40+. Even at mid-low levels (31 - 37), seeing players quitting in team of four vs. team of four matches was an extremely uncommon occurrence.
Client-side network manipulation, aka "secondary standby," was largely ineffective in Halo 2 following the 1.1 patch. You'd get pushed to blue screen or lag out of the game within seconds of failing to ACK the host. By the 1.5 patch, it was completely useless.
In game Cortana looks weird. I agree.
GringoSuave89
Banned
I know some of you guys aren't a fan of the remastered buildings in High Charity, but I love it. Makes the place seem more alive, considering this is suppose to be the home of the Covenant. Hell, I cannot wait for that entire level.
Looks a bit blinding to fire the brute PR, lol.
VisceralBowl
Member
I love the look of them, I just think they're a little too tall or bunched up (maybe both).
Wait we can't see other people's ranks at all in game? Or just on the base menu? If I click their name and service record in game I expect to see their ranks for playlists, otherwise it'll be no different than CSR in halo 4 which was all but useless.
Ideally you'd like to see everyone rank on the playlist in the lobby itself, without having to click their names.
Ideally you'd like to see everyone rank on the playlist in the lobby itself, without having to click their names.
oh yeah, if you quit a game, you should lose a lot of XP. it's bullshit to just quit like that. I've never quit even if it's 4 on 1 and the score is 40 to 15
FUBAR McDangles
Member
Has Frankie/343 said whether or not there is going to be a cinematics viewer in the game?
So I can watch the cutscenes without having to play through the missions again?
So I can watch the cutscenes without having to play through the missions again?
Where's the dual wielding!
I belive they have said there is one.