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Halo |OT14| They call it Halo

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Madness

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Havok said:
Except in those gametypes, every player has equal scoring opportunity. The game doesn't usually handicap the leader by removing large swaths of point potential just because he's in the lead. It's a gametype that designed around giving worse players an easy way to make it to the top despite not playing as well, and reducing the effectiveness of the top player artificially. If you want to be at max score potential and benefit from the comeback mechanics inherent to the gametype, the strategy is just "play like shit for a while," which shouldn't be viable.

If you're in the lead there's not much you can do to keep your scoring potential maxed as you could in normal play for every other competitive FFA gametype in the series except for drastically outskilling the other players in the match and winning despite the fact that you've been cut off at the knees by the rules of the game. There's certainly a way to game the system and win outright without that huge skill gap, but it's a fundamentally flawed design as the sole FFA gametype in the game, one that pretends to be competitive at its core. It's practically Action Sack in disguise, much the same way that Juggernaut was.

The team variant is a different animal though. Every player has potential for a bounty bonus because there is a king per side. That's what makes Team Regicide work when the FFA variant doesn't.
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But that's just it. I hate to agree with this because I hate Regicide with a passion, but that's exactly what they intended. It was never meant to be equal footing. They've said since the day they announced it that Regicide was about matches being close and not knowing who would win till the very end. It goes back to babying the casual players so they have a chance to win.

It just shows how out of touch 343's multiplayer design teams were with Halo fans, the fans who continue to play months and months after that they introduced this shitty playlist and not have a lone wolves/ffa slayer.

It's the Mario Kart mentality. It was fun when I was a kid, but now I just hate the unfairness of it all. Why does the better person have to suffer?
 
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Hydranockz

Member
Better player suffering? Better players only care about killing scrubs. Find me a match where someone good here went negative in Regicide.
 
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orznge

Banned
why not just have a regular ffa but instead of doing the extra programming it just picks a random winner once the time limit or score limit is reached
 
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PNut

Banned
There's a H3 1v1 tourny starting tomorrow on Twitchtv with a decent payout. Keep an eye out. Will be a good watch.
 
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Madness

Member
So Halo 4 is going to be $20 at best buy. Couple this in with the fact it launched in November, dropped to $39 a month after launch during December right before Christmas, is it any wonder then why it would be the best selling then? You have a larger install base, you drop the price near Christmas time etc.
 
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User 73706

Banned
Madness said:
So Halo 4 is going to be $20 at best buy. Couple this in with the fact it launched in November, dropped to $39 a month after launch during December right before Christmas, is it any wonder then why it would be the best selling then? You have a larger install base, you drop the price near Christmas time etc.
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I'd assume the 400,000+ players in the first two weeks got it at or near full price.
 
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Karl2177

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Madness said:
So Halo 4 is going to be $20 at best buy. Couple this in with the fact it launched in November, dropped to $39 a month after launch during December right before Christmas, is it any wonder then why it would be the best selling then? You have a larger install base, you drop the price near Christmas time etc.
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Console cycle is ending. You're probably going to see a slight reduction in prices to get people to spend more on the next gen stuff. Hopefully MS doesn't just drop the 360 completely like it did with the OGXbox.
 
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HiredN00bs

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randomrosso said:
Nice. Halo 3 and Wars too!?! Did you boost them? :lol I've all but given up on them
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I honestly can't remember what was what on Halo 3, but I'm pretty sure Two for One was done with random matchmaking guys by opening several private chats (this was pre-XBL parties). Totally boosted the HW General though. Fuck that achievement. Probably would have been more fun to actually get into HW multiplayer and play it gradually over time, but I knew I wouldn't do that because I loved playing 3 and Reach all the time.
 
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Tunavi

Banned
Reagan's BR said:
343, hire Fyrewulff.
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Rev3rb said:
Moving over to the Wii U and 3DS full time now?
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wii U has no games. Although that GBA virtual console sounds sexy as fuck.

Just finished walking dead episode 4. "YOU'RE FUCKING DEAD!"
 
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broony

Member
J10 said:
Same with me too. I've played all those games and had great co-op experiences with them with friends near and far. So, I just assumed Halo's co-op was just poorly designed in comparison. Looking forward to Destiny's co-op being significantly more awesome.
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What networking model do you expect destiny to use? Asynchronous, lockstep or dedicated servers? My money is on lockstep so I would expect people who had shittyhalo coop experiences to have shitty destiny experiences.
 
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heckfu

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broony said:
What networking model do you expect destiny to use? Asynchronous, lockstep or dedicated servers? My money is on lockstep so I would expect people who had shittyhalo coop experiences to have shitty destiny experiences.
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lol you don't even know what destiny is man.
 
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Madness

Member
Wahrer Machine said:
I'd assume the 400,000+ players in the first two weeks got it at or near full price.
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But that doesn't have anything to do with what I said. I said Frankie and the 343 team said it's the best/fastest selling main halo game.

And I agree, but it also launched with the largest install base a month before Christmas and then reduced its price officially as well. I don't remember Halo 3 or even Reach having their msrp drop to $39 within a month.

So of course Halo 4 will sell more and possibly quicker. We're now approaching only 3 months since release and the playerbase is dwindling considerably. I can't imagine what it would become once the other MS heavyweight Gears of War launches.

Is it a huge success for the game to sell great initially and then drop off drastically? Sure a $20 halo 4 will now sell more than a $59 Halo 3 did.

I'm sorry if I couldn't get what I meant across.
 
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Purplemage

Neo Member
You know, I've never had a blatant example of how broken camo AA is until today. I've never seen how fast a crouched opponent fades out but apparently it resembles when someone teleports from lag. I mean good lord I'm one of the few that would be open minded to a very very gimped AA version of it but this current iteration in 4 is just insanely effective. You disappear too fast and stay hidden far too long.

I literally thought the game was lagging out. Nope! Just a guy fading away in a split second when you run up.
 
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broony

Member
heckfu said:
i'm just not sure why you're getting aggressive about people having networking issues is all.
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Sorry. Not meaning to be aggressive. It just annoying listening to people whine about the way Bungie / 343 built their coop games when they have made no effort themselves.

They want everything served on a plate for them and when they don't like it they throw their toys out of the pram.

People are making crazy claims that their lag issues are magically disappear because Bungie will somehow compensate for their shitty connection. It isn't going to happen.

It was like people talking about their classic playlist prior to halo 4 launch and then having a meltdown when it wasn't there day 1.

People's expectations, for just about everything it seems, are way inflated.
 
FUNKNOWN iXi

FUNKNOWN iXi

Member
Purplemage said:
You know, I've never had a blatant example of how broken camo AA is until today. I've never seen how fast a crouched opponent fades out but apparently it resembles when someone teleports from lag. I mean good lord I'm one of the few that would be open minded to a very very gimped AA version of it but this current iteration in 4 is just insanely effective. You disappear too fast and stay hidden far too long.

I literally thought the game was lagging out. Nope! Just a guy fading away in a split second when you run up.
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Almost worthy of a friends list removal.. Don't tempt me again.
 
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NullPointer

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Havok said:
If you want to be at max score potential and benefit from the comeback mechanics inherent to the gametype, the strategy is just "play like shit for a while," which shouldn't be viable.
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The quickest and best way to rack up points in regicide is to be the king and kill the enemy king. Do both of those things.
 
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Purplemage

Neo Member
UNKNOWN iXi said:
Almost worthy of a friends list removal.. Don't tempt me again.
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Hah! You wouldn't dare. But as I said, only if it's severely gimped. Maybe not such a tone down in length of use but a massive recharge. If it couldn't be used for twenty second after use it would definitely make the other abilities far more appealing to use instead of camo/snipe or camo/boltshot.

And c'mon now! All my loadouts include thruster pack except for my BTB turret one which has the hardlight shield.

Trust me after seeing people disappear so quickly that I began thinking the game was lagging out I'm more than aware it's broken.

Gui_PT said:
Now you can work on losing your virginity
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Ouch. Hey now, my ex girlfriend had to hear about my gaming habits for like two years! Oh yeah...that may be a contributing factor to the ex thing. Shit.
 
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Overdoziz

Banned
broony said:
Sorry. Not meaning to be aggressive. It just annoying listening to people whine about the way Bungie / 343 built their coop games when they have made no effort themselves.

They want everything served on a plate for them and when they don't like it they throw their toys out of the pram.

People are making crazy claims that their lag issues are magically disappear because Bungie will somehow compensate for their shitty connection. It isn't going to happen.

It was like people talking about their classic playlist prior to halo 4 launch and then having a meltdown when it wasn't there day 1.

People's expectations, for just about everything it seems, are way inflated.
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I can play online multiplayer fine with people all over the world.
I can play literally every online co-op game ever made in history fine with people all over the world.
Yet, I can't play online Halo co-op without button delay with people a continent away, let alone any further.

Now stop trolling/being a dumb-ass.
 
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Blue Ninja

Member
Purplemage said:
Ouch. Hey now, my ex girlfriend had to hear about my gaming habits for like two years! Oh yeah...that may be a contributing factor to the ex thing. Shit.
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Don't worry, I intentionally kept the details of my gaming to myself, and my girlfriend still ended up being my ex. :lol
 
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Fuchsdh

Member
Madness said:
But that's just it. I hate to agree with this because I hate Regicide with a passion, but that's exactly what they intended. It was never meant to be equal footing. They've said since the day they announced it that Regicide was about matches being close and not knowing who would win till the very end. It goes back to babying the casual players so they have a chance to win.

It just shows how out of touch 343's multiplayer design teams were with Halo fans, the fans who continue to play months and months after that they introduced this shitty playlist and not have a lone wolves/ffa slayer.

It's the Mario Kart mentality. It was fun when I was a kid, but now I just hate the unfairness of it all. Why does the better person have to suffer?
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You're not actively harmed in the lead though. To take your Mario kart analogy, Regicide would fit *if* they gave everyone incineration cannons after you took the lead. They don't. There's no blue turtle shell here, just a reduced scoring potential. Remember that you get over shields and damage boosts to compensate however.

The way to win Regicide is simply to play smart; pick off people running at the king and slay him yourself only when at low bonuses or towards the end. Or if you want play for the challenge by racking up an early lead.
 
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