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[squidhands]

This is what I was thinking.

AR gonna be nasty. Gonna be Halo 1 quantities of pain I imagine.

And unlocks, gonna be in Spartan Ops alot


You can't start with 2 primaries. But I imagine people will try to pick up a DMR on the field depending on the map.

You can't? I don't remember hearing that in the podcast, but I could have glossed over it. Kind of goes against the "custom loadout" concept though, doesn't it?

 

[dmg04]

I really, REALLY hope some helmets/armors are returning from past games.


I <3 CQB.

 

[Hypertrooper]

"Pre-Order Halo 4 and get the Season Pass for free". I'm okay with that.

 

[daedalius]

You can't? I don't remember hearing that in the podcast, but I could have glossed over it. Kind of goes against the "custom loadout" concept though, doesn't it?

Well I mean I don't know for sure if you can't choose 2 primaries; but then what is the point of having a primary and secondary weapon?

They'd just say 'weapons' and you get 2.

I think being able to take a BR and DMR would limit the sandbox as well, you should have to make a choice.

There's nothing stopping you from say, picking BR in your load-out, then swapping out your secondary for a DMR when you find it on the map

Exactly, I just don't know if you can spawn with the BR and DMR.

You obviously aren't tied to what you spawn with like 'other' games.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

There's nothing stopping you from say, picking BR in your load-out, then swapping out your secondary for a DMR when you find it on the map

 

[kittens]

Yeah, I really don't think all non-power weapons should be included in load outs. For example, everyone spawning with plasma pistols in BTB would make vehicles pointless. There has to be some restrictions on certain load out weapons, whether it's map specific, gametype specific, or only allowed in custom games.

 

[Poker Face]

after watching the conan clip with the BR, I really hope they can release just the sound of the BR firing.

I know the volume was lowered to hear conan's voice but it sounded silenced almost.

 

[ncsuDuncan]

You can't? I don't remember hearing that in the podcast, but I could have glossed over it. Kind of goes against the "custom loadout" concept though, doesn't it?

Why does that go against the concept?

5 primary weapons (BR, DMR, AR, etc.)
5 secondary weapons (Magnum, PP, etc.)
3 grenade types
5 armor abilities

That's 375 possible custom loadouts right there. Plenty of customization. Those are very, very conservative numbers too.

Going with the tired CoD comparisons, you can only equip 2 primary weapons if you pick the Overkill perk. Otherwise you pick one primary (rifle) and one secondary (pistol).

Yeah, I really don't think all non-power weapons should be included in load outs. For example, everyone spawning with plasma pistols in BTB would make vehicles pointless. There has to be some restrictions on certain load out weapons, whether it's map specific, gametype specific, or only allowed in custom games.

Yeah, I'm anxious to see how vehicle combat has been changed.

It would be pretty funny if you could always spawn with the BR/PP noob combo...

 

[Bregmann Roche]

There's nothing stopping you from say, picking BR in your load-out, then swapping out your secondary for a DMR when you find it on the map

I'm really sorry if I'm missing something, but I still haven't seen confirmation that weapons will spawn on the map. I know at the beginning we'll get power weapons pre-spawned and waiting for us, then as the game goes on we'll get ordinance drops, AND we can pick up weapons from dudebros that we kill, but I can't find an example of someone from 343 coming out and saying "there will be non-power weapons spawning around the map".

 

[daedalius]

I'm really sorry if I'm missing something, but I still haven't seen confirmation that weapons will spawn on the map. I know at the beginning we'll get power weapons pre-spawned and waiting for us, then as the game goes on we'll get ordinance drops, AND we can pick up weapons from dudebros that we kill, but I can't find an example of someone from 343 coming out and saying "there will be non-power weapons spawning around the map".

I imagine just like ordnance, 'regular' weapons will be scattered around the field just as we have it now.

This hasn't been confirmed, but I see no reason why they wouldn't do this. They obviously don't fall from the sky in a droppod though

Is the AR considered a primary weapon? Could I have it as a secondary? I guess if all players are going to start off like that, I guess not.

I think the only things we know are 'primary' weapons are the BR and DMR at this point. I'm assuming Covvie carbine is in there, but that could just be a single player weapon.

 

[The Librarian]

Is the AR considered a primary weapon? Could I have it as a secondary? I guess if all players are going to start off like that, I guess not.

 

[RebornYeti]

Just watched the Conan clip. I really hope we get those Conan and Andy death screams, at least unlockable with a skull or something.

Also, their crate banter should be added with the IWHBYD skull, if it still exists.

 

[dmg04]

Is the needler considered a secondary? Is there even a needler?

 

[Tha Robbertster]

My wishes for the starting weapons in Halo 4:

Human:
Primary: BR, DMR, AR, (Assault Carbine?)
Secondary: Reach pistol, ODST pistol
Covenant:
Primary: Carbine, Needle Rifle, Plasma rifle, (Assault Carbine?)
Secondary: Can't think of any really
''Ancient Evil'':
Primary: BR-like weapon, DMR-like weapon, CQC automatic weapon, another CQC weapon
Secondary: 2 New pistol

So that would bring the total amount of primary weapons to 12 and the secondary weapons to 3 which gives 36 different combinations.

 

[MrBig]

Or this controller should just come back with Halo 4 branding, and I can call it good. I miss this controller so much:

For those that don't know what this is, it's the FPS Master controller. It was for the original Xbox. A,B,X,Y were all mapped on bottom side of the handles, and it was my go-to controller for Halo 2. Only things I would change/add to this are bumpers obviously somewhere near the triggers and of course the aesthetic.

YESSSSSSSSSSSS
I loved that thing

 

[squidhands]

Well I mean I don't know for sure if you can't choose 2 primaries; but then what is the point of having a primary and secondary weapon?

They'd just say 'weapons' and you get 2.

I think being able to take a BR and DMR would limit the sandbox as well, you should have to make a choice.



Exactly, I just don't know if you can spawn with the BR and DMR.

You obviously aren't tied to what you spawn with like 'other' games.

I'd probably never choose two distance-based weapons because it seems like a dumb choice, but I mainly wanted to know if I missed something.

Why does that go against the concept?

5 primary weapons (BR, DMR, AR, etc.)
5 secondary weapons (Magnum, PP, etc.)
3 grenade types
5 armor abilities

That's 375 possible custom loadouts right there. Plenty of customization. Those are very, very conservative numbers too.

Going with the tired CoD comparisons, you can only equip 2 primary weapons if you pick the Overkill perk. Otherwise you pick one primary (rifle) and one secondary (pistol).

Using your setup, you'd never be allowed to have an Assault Rifle paired with a distance weapon unless you were able to choose two primary weapons as a start, which was the point of my questioning. I think it's a smart choice to limit what weapons you can have in a loadout (no PP, for instance), but I don't think the combinations should be limited in any way, apart from having the exact same weapon as a first and second choice.

 

[kittens]

That's it, we clearly need more answers. UNLEASH THE TWITTER SPAM.

Secondary: Reach pistol, ODST pistol

Whoa, I never thought of the possibility of two human pistols. How would the ODST one be different? Weaker but with a larger magazine?

 

[Hypertrooper]

Is the AR considered a primary weapon? Could I have it as a secondary? I guess if all players are going to start off like that, I guess not.

You can use the AR as your primary and secondary weapon at the same time.

Spoiler

lol Hell no If I know

 

[Homeboyd]

El Señor Fronklenator, I have a question that someone from TWP would like me to deliver to you personally. Since I am sure that you get mad crazy messages in your inbox here now that you're on some Gary-Whitta-status-celebrity-shit from being a huge late night tv star, I'll just ask you here:

asayboy writes:

OH MY GOD! CHOPPERS! TELL ME THEY ARE COMING BACK FRANKIE!!! Boyd, go ask Neogaf if choppers are coming back! DO IT!!!

...

TWP?

The WorkPLace

 

[Hypertrooper]

El Señor Fronklenator, I have a question that someone from TWP would like me to deliver to you personally. Since I am sure that you get mad crazy messages in your inbox here now that you're on some Gary-Whitta-status-celebrity-shit from being a huge late night tv star now, I'll just ask you here:

Asayboy writes:

TWP?

Is the AR considered a primary weapon? Could I have it as a secondary? I guess if all players are going to start off like that, I guess not.

You can use the AR as your primary and secondary weapon at the same time.

Spoiler

lol Hell no If I know

 

[dmg04]

Posted by: Homeboyd903

Posted by: dmg04
cqb helmet i beg u

Frankie confirms no CQB

CQB confirmed

 

[The Librarian]

If 343i announces the pro-pipe as a secondary weapon, everything and anything will be forgiven and I would be unable to criticize them until release.

 

[Bregmann Roche]

If 343i announces the pro-pipe as a secondary weapon, everything and anything will be forgiven and I would be unable to criticize them until release.

If the pro-pipe is in Halo 4, I'm going to guess that 343 is treating it as a power weapon.

 

[Tha Robbertster]

Whoa, I never thought of the possibility of two human pistols. How would the ODST one be different? Weaker but with a larger magazine?

Yea, bigger clip but weaker. And maybe they could somehow implement the silencer in a way that it actually has some effect in multiplayer.

I'd actually like to see some silenced weapons and with that actual stealth sequences in campaign and Spartan Ops for Halo 4. The stealth sequences in previous Halo games were kinda ruined because the enemies knew were you were as soon as you fired your sniper.

 

[The Librarian]

If the pro-pipe is in Halo 4, I'm going to guess that 343 is treating it as a power weapon.

Do you, good sir, see any downside in having the pro-pipe as a secondary weapon? Because I can't.

 

[Big E33]

having fully map-able controls out of the question?

resistance 3 did it

 

[dmg04]

Yea, bigger clip but weaker. And maybe they could somehow implement the silencer in a way that it actually has some effect in multiplayer.

I'd actually like to see some silenced weapons and with that actual stealth sequences in campaign and Spartan Ops for Halo 4. The stealth sequences in previous Halo games were kinda ruined because the enemies knew were you were as soon as you fired your sniper.

Bigger clip, less damage, larger damage taper due to silencer

Toy with recoil, bloom (if there is any),

 

[Overdoziz]

If the pro-pipe is in Halo 4, I'm going to guess that 343 is treating it as a power weapon.

Replace AR with Grenade Launcher. Everybody wins.

 

[RebornYeti]

Do you, good sir, see any downside in having the pro-pipe as a secondary weapon? Because I can't.

The downside would be everyone would use it as Secondary.

 

[The Librarian]

Replace AR with Grenade Launcher. Everybody wins.

I agree with Overdoz1z.

The downside would be everyone would use it as Secondary.

I am not seeing the problem here!

 

[Homeboyd]

CQB confirmed

Oh. Not here man. Not here.

If 343i announces the pro-pipe as a secondary weapon, everything and anything will be forgiven and I would be unable to criticize them until release.

That is some falling-from-the-sky, UI cluttering, bright lights and sirens, ODST drop pod power weapon drop type shit. But yeah, I hope it's coming back too.

 

[AllIsOneIsNone]

If > means "a consistent amount greater than", then

Close Range AR>>BR>>DMR

Close Mid Range AR>BR>>DMR

Mid Range AR=BR>DMR

Mid Long Range AR<BR=DMR

Long Range AR<<BR<DMR

Very Long Range AR<<BR<<DMR

This is how I want it.

 

[Bregmann Roche]

Do you, good sir, see any downside in having the pro-pipe as a secondary weapon? Because I can't.

This is starting to sound like Frankie's "I secretly set the Rocket Launcher as the starting secondary weapon in custom games" tactic.

 

[The Librarian]

This is starting to sound like Frankie's "I secretly set the Rocket Launcher as the starting secondary weapon in custom games" tactic.

Except awesomeness would ensue.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Commendations.

Challenges. Perhaps including an extension of the custom challenge system added by 343 after Reach.

 

[Trey]

If > means greater than, then

Close Range AR>>BR>>DMR

Close Mid Range AR>BR>>DMR

Mid Range AR=BR>DMR

Mid Long Range AR<BR=DMR

Long Range AR<<BR<DMR

Very Long Range AR<<BR<<DMR

This is how I want it.

A fly has been caught in the Cortana Web.

 

[Big E33]

If > means greater than, then

Close Range AR>>BR>>DMR

Close Mid Range AR>BR>>DMR

Mid Range AR=BR>DMR

Mid Long Range AR<BR=DMR

Long Range AR<<BR<DMR

Very Long Range AR<<BR<<DMR

This is how I want it.

I think if the player with the BR hits all his shots he should win the fight, if he misses one then the AR should kill him

 

[kittens]

If > means "a consistent amount greater than", then

Close Range AR>>BR>>DMR

Close Mid Range AR>BR>>DMR

Mid Range AR=BR>DMR

Mid Long Range AR<BR=DMR

Long Range AR<<BR<DMR

Very Long Range AR<<BR<<DMR

This is how I want it.

I was about to say you're trolling, but then I realized you changed the direction of the arrows. But I'm still suspicious.

 

[Plywood]

Or this controller should just come back with Halo 4 branding, and I can call it good. I miss this controller so much:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUC1fkjzaV4

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Give me Needler as primary, Needler as secondary. 4 plasma grenades.

Wrecking machine.

 

[feel]

please allow AR as secondary. BR+AR ftw


how are they gonna handle weapons like shotguns, swords and needlers? Big flashy ordnance drops for those seems a bit much.

 

[Plywood]

CQB confirmed

Someone actually likes CQB helmet? Ew.

 

[kittens]

I still think a bow weapon could be fucking awesome. We have swords and hammers, we can have a bow. Make it an alien thing if it's to "unrealistic" for humans to use it. You could even make it specific to a certain species -- the ancestral sniper bow of the Jackals or something.

Someone actually likes CQB helmet? Ew.

It's one of my favorites! :-O

 

[Psychoward]

Unarguably the best helmet.

 

[Trey]

please allow AR as secondary. BR+AR ftw


how are they gonna handle weapons like shotguns, swords and needlers? Big flashy ordnance drops for those seems a bit much.

SMG.

Shotgun and sword are PWs, needler is not.

 

[daedalius]

please allow AR as secondary. BR+AR ftw


how are they gonna handle weapons like shotguns, swords and needlers? Big flashy ordnance drops for those seems a bit much.

Probably just regular spawns I'd imagine.

I still think a bow weapon could be fucking awesome. We have swords and hammers, we can have a bow. Make it an alien thing if it's to "unrealistic" for humans to use it. You could even make it specific to a certain species -- the ancestral sniper bow of the Jackals or something.

Been looking at that Crysis 3 art eh?

 

[WJD]

please allow AR as secondary. BR+AR ftw


how are they gonna handle weapons like shotguns, swords and needlers? Big flashy ordnance drops for those seems a bit much.

I have a worrying feeling that the Sword will be an ordnance drop (fair enough) and the needler and shotty will be loadout weapons (please god no).

 

[GhaleonEB]

If > means "a consistent amount greater than", then

Close Range AR>>BR>>DMR

Close Mid Range AR>BR>>DMR

Mid Range AR=BR>DMR

Mid Long Range AR<BR=DMR

Long Range AR<<BR<DMR

Very Long Range AR<<BR<<DMR

This is how I want it.

Too long of a range for the AR, but what I'm really interested in is how the abundance of precision weapons will balance.

The podcast talked about how the BR and DMR balance out, but there's also the magnum and 'combat carbine' (name now changed) in the mix. So that's at least four precision weapons in the mix.

 

[Plywood]

Unarguably the best helmet.

It really is beautiful, except for the bluetooth headset.

 

[ncsuDuncan]

"We want people to use more of the weapon sandbox."

I'm pretty sure allowing BR/AR loadouts would go against that completely, because that is all anyone would ever pick. (Or BR/DMR, AR/DMR, etc.) Why would you ever pick the Magnum?

Not gonna happen.

(Aside from customs.)