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Halo |OT4| Trust's a Tough Thing to Come by These Days
- Thread starter GhaleonEB
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Wtf noob combo hasn't existed since Halo 2
Hypertrooper
Member
On the other hand it sounds like a great idea. At least you have excuse when someone is asking you.
Here, let me give you an example.
343 dev: Hey guys, just thought we'd let you know we are bringing back armor abilities; however this time we are going to great lengths to make sure they are well balanced and tuned within the sandbox for specific gameplay styles, and of course we won't have any showstoppers like armor-lock included.
Halogaf: DOOOOOOOOOM RIP HALO TRAINWRECK.GIF HINDENBURG.JPG
343 dev: Wow, that was some substantive discussion; I certainly am glad I posted here.
The doomsayers and hyperbolegaf would drown out any sort of substantive discussion that could be had (gee kind of what happens now) with a dev; hell it drowns out any sort of discussion with Frank, and he is a gaf veteran.
That is what happens unless a forum is strictly moderated to only allow substantive/thoughtful discussion, and as we well know, halogaf is certainly not that place.
I see blog posts as different from interacting directly with the forum community, and I would love if 343 did this. Maybe they will, but probably not while Halo 4 is still in development. Once the game is out, this is what I'd like to see from the bulletin; for example.
However, as you can see, the threads that ghostcrawler or the devs decide to post in, are overrun with trolls. The blog insulates them from the worst of the vitriol that comes out in the threads, as has been professed by the devs on WoW in the past. This is why they went the blog route instead of direct forum interaction.
How could there be posts about the campaign, or physics, or weapons as content, or vehicles, or levels, or AI, when we've seen about 15 seconds of multiplayer footage and a blurry Halo 4 multiplayer match played off a VHS tape in a barn?
Genesis Knight
Member
It's weaker but it still dominates in Reach - esp. in Elite Slayer.
higherARC05
Banned
Orgasmic
RebornYeti
Member
You best start believing in HaloGaf meltdowns... You're in one.
HiredN00bs
Member
Perhaps. I find it funny that but a few months ago I was bitterly trashing 343 for fucking things up in Reach and you were in the BELI343 camp. Their playlist management has improved, they resolved the glitches they introduced, and the movement and gunplay in Halo 4 look good from what I've seen.
Hydranockz
Member
Why do you hate livestock habitat?
Gabotron ES
Member
Cinematic.
Area themed.
Pave it all, more room for cars and motorcycles. I take the James May stance on transportation.
bobs...onGaf
Member
Punking awful
higherARC05
Banned
I can start.
How old is the build that is being tested out in the wild right now?
Is the loadout screen that was leaked unique for the differenct portions of the game? Like MP, SpOps, Campaign, etc.
Which is something I think is silly in the game industry. I understand not commentating on rumors and speculation, but at this point it's not (as in randomized weapon spawns, instant respawn, loadouts that appear to be in the same vein as CoD, etc; not the new info from the leaks.) GI covered most of the changes that have been talked about for weeks now (which I guess doesn't count as them being officially announced for some reason,) and the only bit of detailing that I've personally seen was Frankie stepping in and clarifying some of their wording mistakes.
This is what I was talking about, not direct explanations being posted on GAF by those who are building said changes. I'm confused by your jump to the conclusion that I meant otherwise.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Frankie, am I crazy or did you say at one point there will be more new sandbox items than returning items? Cause the thought of that has me excited.
I do get that, but once again it seems the majority of the weapons we can start with will be the usual class of starting weapons, not power weapons. And since there will be base loadouts with variety before people unlock stuff I believe it will remain balanced. While there are some definite similarities there are some large differences that really will make the game feel different and more Halo like. Spawning with a few more grenades than another player isn't a huge issue, you never know how many grenades a guy has anyways. Same with ammo. Im not too worried, I think things should work pretty well.
Map based pick ups are a little different than every guy spawning with the weapon and custom games really don't count when talking MM loadouts, but Im not gonna jump to conclusions. Ill wait and see, though that is one of the things I actually am nervous about. And I know for a fact I am not a huge fan of none power weapon map based weapons not remaining in a small extent, but it isn't the end of the world.
What I am curious about though is what will happen if you have a custom loadout with a weapon/AA/'Perk' banned from a certain playlist.
I do get that, but once again it seems the majority of the weapons we can start with will be the usual class of starting weapons, not power weapons. And since there will be base loadouts with variety before people unlock stuff I believe it will remain balanced. While there are some definite similarities there are some large differences that really will make the game feel different and more Halo like. Spawning with a few more grenades than another player isn't a huge issue, you never know how many grenades a guy has anyways. Same with ammo. Im not too worried, I think things should work pretty well.
Map based pick ups are a little different than every guy spawning with the weapon and custom games really don't count when talking MM loadouts, but Im not gonna jump to conclusions. Ill wait and see, though that is one of the things I actually am nervous about. And I know for a fact I am not a huge fan of none power weapon map based weapons not remaining in a small extent, but it isn't the end of the world.
What I am curious about though is what will happen if you have a custom loadout with a weapon/AA/'Perk' banned from a certain playlist.
If the Plasma Pistol still utilizes the EMP effect, it would be an awfully bad choice for BTB and vehicle oriented maps. What playlists its going to be deployed has me deply curious - the primary slayer, objective, free for all? Rather it's in none at all, but what'cha gonna do.
Poker Face
Member
These kind of numbers do nothing for me, it's the current Halo game, Halo fans will play it almost no matter what even if just for the social aspect, and I really liked Halo 3 despite some of its flaws, it was more or less the Halo of old.
About the other point, I have to admit I only read GAF and Waypoint forums, so I should've said "most people in those places according to what I've personally read".
Still BELI343, in campaign/SPartanOps. They will do great in multiplayer, and Frankie's confidence shows that, but it just doesn't seem like a game for me or the fans of a bunch of balance ideologies that made Halo mp click underneath (like equal starts for everyone in a match or being able to anticipate most of the enemy's moves in a fight), and that depresses me.
I was in the beli343 camp until the GI info dropped. Twas a sad day.
Sikamikanico
#1 Dad
I am pleased it is a Bank Holiday in the UK when E3 rolls in. I will be set up with pals, ready to watch the Halo 4 goodness.
Am I concerned that the multiplayer may not be the return to form that it once was? Yes.
However, I don't want to play Halo 2, or 3 or Reach again when I play Halo 4. I want Halo 4 to be THE game to own again. I want playlists full to the brim of people enjoying a great game.
And if its a well designed fun game, which according to the devs it will be, then brilliant. I can't wait to spend the next few years with it. If it's not my cup of tea, then nevermind. There are other games I enjoy.
But I have a feeling it's going to blow all of us away. I see people bitching about stuff that might play fantastically and it confuses me. Sure it might not play like Halo CE, or any other iteration of the game, but it doesn't mean it'll be bad.
I look forward to seeing the game in action.
Am I concerned that the multiplayer may not be the return to form that it once was? Yes.
However, I don't want to play Halo 2, or 3 or Reach again when I play Halo 4. I want Halo 4 to be THE game to own again. I want playlists full to the brim of people enjoying a great game.
And if its a well designed fun game, which according to the devs it will be, then brilliant. I can't wait to spend the next few years with it. If it's not my cup of tea, then nevermind. There are other games I enjoy.
But I have a feeling it's going to blow all of us away. I see people bitching about stuff that might play fantastically and it confuses me. Sure it might not play like Halo CE, or any other iteration of the game, but it doesn't mean it'll be bad.
I look forward to seeing the game in action.
What are you, a comedian?
higherARC05
Banned
wats up with that
Poker Face
Member
i dunno man, maybe we'll get info that will follow up E3's info?
We're all still waiting for you to actually post something about Halo 4. Or maybe just Reach. Instead of, you know, meta commentary about the thread.
But that's the sticking point, isn't it? Information being disseminated in a very frank and open manner like that would ostensibly curtail much of the vitriol here that comes from the speculative nature of the discussions that arises from us barely knowing anything about the game. Public forums will always be filled with trash, in much the same way as Blizzard and Bungie's forums can be. GAF is a more closed garden than that with approvals, heavy moderation outside this community, and email restrictions, and I think eliminating the base ignorance is a solution instead of bickering for five pages like we've seen today.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think the current industry standard of being very tight lipped about reasoning behind stuff or very basic issues for the sake of a hype machine is very healthy.
higherARC05
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Hitmonchan107
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I just want to know where I stand in a battle. I love being able to see what my opponent has and whether I should back out of the fight. The clouding of battlefield knowledge began with equipment in Halo 3 and grew darker with the addition of armor abilities in Reach.
I'm just afraid the lack of situational knowledge and confidence grows darker still with modifications, assuming (and this is a very bold assumption) that there won't be a visible indicator of these modifications on the battlefield.
I'm just afraid the lack of situational knowledge and confidence grows darker still with modifications, assuming (and this is a very bold assumption) that there won't be a visible indicator of these modifications on the battlefield.
higherARC05
Banned
why you had to do it like that
Gabotron ES
Member
My guess is you'll be able to build your loadouts around existing playlists, you'll have your Team Slayer and BTB loadouts... some playlists will allow for more crazy configurations and other playlists won't give you the chance to build your own, see "classic" playlists.
I've noticed that too, but it was the same way leading up to Reach, so I wouldn't really take that as having any meaning.
See, for me, this complaint is really only relevant for the first encounter with the enemy in a match. That encounter RARELY decides the winner of the match.
Yes, there are people who cycle through Armor Abillities during a match - but the VAST MAJORITY of players stick with the one they picked at the beginning (or the one they switched to after seeing what the majority of the opposing team was using).
And the idea of backing out of a fight because of the AA being used by the guy on the other team... that seems silly. You almost never have that choice.
I don't know - I guess I'm just saying that while I lose plenty of games, I can almost NEVER blame those losses on the 'clouding of battlefield knowledge'. (I get fooled by Holograms, every once in a while - but I'd say that I'm fooled FAR more often by someone camping where I wasn't expecting them - something that relies on NOTHING added to the game by any sequel.)
I'll make sure to post something when anything new comes down the road (like I usually do).
There has been little to get excited about lately, but with e3 coming soon enough, I hope we will have other things to discuss than the 'mulitplayer trainwreck'.
Yes, I agree. Pulling the devs away to make blog posts may not be the best use of time when they are nearing their deadlines, regardless of how much we'd like it. Like I said, I hope to see something like this after launch, but I don't really expect it beforehand.
*cough* Hardlight Shield/Regen Barrier *cough*
Not sure exactly how these work yet, could be not that bad. But I'm basing it off Riot Shields from CoD and Regen from Halo 3.
Regen on Demand is particularly frightening.
Bit lttp with the response considering someone posted something similar.
But an explanation for changes in Weekly Bulletins would do rather nicely. I'm not talking about stuff they can't talk about yet (the leaks are leaks, after all) but even in Reach, they woudn't explain things like getting rid of Squad Slayer (Or at least I can't remember a reason), or why it took so long to get Drop Shields out of objective, or other playlist issues.
343, please include that first person shield charging up effect in Halo 4 please.
What seems the same way?
Genesis Knight
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Poker Face
Member
But you couldn't see your opponents secondary in Halo:CE or Halo 2.
Oops, I thought you meant as in how they felt about Halo 4, not in general.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
Hopefully some of the conspiracy nuts will be satisfied with Frankie's outright denail about 343 being behind the VHS leak.
Still can't believe some folks think it's viral.
Still can't believe some folks think it's viral.
Yea I was just being broad. I have very different opinions with the competitive crowd even here in GAF, let alone the entire competitive community.
I certainly wouldn't mind the weekly bulletin turning into a devblog of sorts, or just a section to explain certain design decisions. But like I said before, I don't really expect to see this before release, but after would be nice.
As for how long it took for some things to be removed(or why some things were removed...); I have no idea. A bit of explanation about those things would be nice.