I would definitely be up for that.
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Halo |OT8| A Salt on the Control Room
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I would definitely be up for that.
Thinking about the oddball throwing the more I love it, let's say I have it and someone coming towards me with a power weapon like the rockets, I put on Promethean Vision and see them come by the corner. I throw the ball right at the rocket guy feet or directly at him and he picks its up (if you played Halo 1 oddball you know how to "troll" with it) and then I can finish him off before he can drop/throw the oddball. Now I have rockets and the oddball.
Maybe they'll eliminate AA's for someone holding the oddball? Like how territories works in Reach.
Rickenslacker
Banned
I still have it installed, and I have a wired 360 controller now. I'll be down for that if nothing else springs up.
Now if there was a way to set BJ-like controls in H2V. Maybe through some convoluted Joy2Key setup resulting in keyboard and controller hybrid inputs?
Latvian Hitman
Member
I think that's the case for one of the specializations that you unlock later in the game, but I haven't seen anything specific regarding how Active Camo interacts with PV. I'd like to think that PV is the counter for Camo rather than the other way around...
Der Flatulator
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Steelyuhas
Member
Definitely. The jetpack itself is nerfed significantly, and all the weapons kills faster than in the previous couple of Halo games. Will some people still find it annoying? Probably, but I have a hard time from my impressions of it this weekend (used it myself as well) thinking of it as significantly game or map altering like it was in Reach.
I used the concussion rifle, still 3 sk and 6 shot clip, but it honestly felt more like the bruteshot than the Reach concussion rifle. It fired significantly faster than the concussion rifle, and I was never on the other end of it, but it seemed like it didn't have the insane kickback effect of the Reach one. It honestly felt like a skin on the bruteshot.
I had posted short impressions of the regen ealier, as well as incinerator cannon. Big write-up tonight (I swear this time!). I'll cover all the weapons and abilities that used.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Can you still shoot while jetpacking?
GodlyPerfection
Member
Yeah if AC does that then part of the specializations purpose would be weakened. There is those times where you don't have camo on that is covered, but I don't think that would be enough to include it in a specialization. At that point redundancy makes the synergistic relationship less appetizing.
But I did hear somewhere that Hologram and Active Camo are intended to be counters to PV.
Steelyuhas
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Rickenslacker
Banned
That's unfortunate.
Der Flatulator
Member
Awesome.
What is the main difference between the FRG and incinerator canon?
Steelyuhas
Member
Didn't get a chance to use the FRG, but assuming it's similar to previous games, I'd compare the incinerator cannon more closely to the Rocket Launcher. Incinerator Cannon is one shot before you have to reload, but that one shot is an absolute missile of death. Shoots a rocket out and then on the impact, it has a secondary physics-based explosion of more promethean incineration stuff. I believe it had 3 shots of ammo on pickup.
Heh. That's not because the game was running at 60fps - it's because the recording device (a ballin' Aja Ki Pro - and no, you can't afford it, it'll run you $4k) records at 60fps. Sorry.
Well... not exactly 'uncompressed' - just not YOUTUBE-compressed. (The original file from the Ki Pro was 14GB. I re-encoded with x264 down to 10000kbps, because 1GB is FAR easier to distribute than 14.)
To Aggrotek - I'm currently downloading Plywood's links - Part 4 seems to be perfectly fine. I'm guessing something went wrong for you the first time you tried it, and your browser has cached the bad data.
Try force-reloading that link. (Part 1 is going pretty slowly, but I have all the rest. If the RAR doesn't recombine, I'll edit this post.)ArchedThunder
Banned
Does it still look exactly like the Reach one, color and all?
Some of those helmets are just infuriatingly redundant or have some of the weirdest looking designs ever. Most of them look like you're wearing balls or a brick on your face. I mean, look at Mark VI, Warrior, War Master, Recon, Scout and Recruit for a second. To me, those are the best looking helmets so far. They've got a nice combination of curves and edges that flow in a way that makes sense to make them look both practical and appealing. Scanner actually has a pretty nice look to it, even if the tape deck looks a bit goofy.
Then you have Operator... which looks like a ball. That's all I've got to describe it. It's a ball with a viewport. And you've got Oceanic... which is a ball with a viewport. Somebody sanded down the Gungnir helmet so that the overhanging visor-ish portion is round for no real reason, and it looks like somebody smashed EOD's face in on the pavement. The face is flat and curvy now. Hey, CIO doesn't look bad! It's even got... three glowing holes where there should be a visor. And at least Engineer has... a plate with four bolts where the visor should be, and a small glow stick taped to said plate for a visor. Pioneer has two strange saucers instead of a visor.
I mean, I just don't understand them. Why do you need a visor where your mouth is? Why are there some areas where clearly there should be visors where there aren't any? Is replacing a visor with a small strip of reflective paper or three glowing buttons standard protocol for GEN2 Mjolnir? Are the chest pieces actually protective, or are they all circular china plates glued to under-armor? Nearly all of them seem identical to me. I honestly can't tell most of them apart.
I understand I haven't had time to actually sit down and watch these armors in action, but I just don't like these previews. I mean, at the very least shouldn't 343 change the default menu/idle animation to make them more appealing? Change the lighting and rendering effects on them to make them look even a little bit better?
I just want my Mark V. Just please give me my undamaged Mark V and we'll be square.
Then you have Operator... which looks like a ball. That's all I've got to describe it. It's a ball with a viewport. And you've got Oceanic... which is a ball with a viewport. Somebody sanded down the Gungnir helmet so that the overhanging visor-ish portion is round for no real reason, and it looks like somebody smashed EOD's face in on the pavement. The face is flat and curvy now. Hey, CIO doesn't look bad! It's even got... three glowing holes where there should be a visor. And at least Engineer has... a plate with four bolts where the visor should be, and a small glow stick taped to said plate for a visor. Pioneer has two strange saucers instead of a visor.
I mean, I just don't understand them. Why do you need a visor where your mouth is? Why are there some areas where clearly there should be visors where there aren't any? Is replacing a visor with a small strip of reflective paper or three glowing buttons standard protocol for GEN2 Mjolnir? Are the chest pieces actually protective, or are they all circular china plates glued to under-armor? Nearly all of them seem identical to me. I honestly can't tell most of them apart.
I understand I haven't had time to actually sit down and watch these armors in action, but I just don't like these previews. I mean, at the very least shouldn't 343 change the default menu/idle animation to make them more appealing? Change the lighting and rendering effects on them to make them look even a little bit better?
I just want my Mark V. Just please give me my undamaged Mark V and we'll be square.
Thats fine with me, especially since you cant use it as long as in Reach. I actually never really had a problem with jetpack. The only thing i hated was armor lock and thats finally gone
Steelyuhas
Member
Reticle is different, but the actual weapon looked very similar.
Latvian Hitman
Member
Jetpack has been nerfed considerably, though. You can't just hang out in the stratosphere for 20 seconds at a time anymore raining down grenades on everybody whilst avoiding headshots because of your angle.
It's more for facilitating vertical map movement in short bursts now, which is how it should have been in the first place.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Final image dump. Off screen and a bit blurry in cases. I'll set up a dedicated album when I get home Wednesday.
Steelyuhas
Member
Oh, and we finally figured out why the game says there is 15 primary weapons, some of them have weapon skins and they are listed as a selection in the weapon list with a skin.
Just how many armor pieces does Halo 4 have? Kinda looks like it is going to have far more than Reach has, even if you count the attachements as invidual, unique pieces.
The Light Rifle is selectable? Nice. Looks like my weapon of choice is going to be clear.
Interesting.
The Light Rifle is selectable? Nice. Looks like my weapon of choice is going to be clear.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Damn, so it still looks like a dog penis... gross.
ElzarTheBam
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Gorgeous pics, Cyclone.
K
kittens
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So, what does the Fuel Rod Gun look like to you?
Rickenslacker
Banned
The other things that serve to augment movement, sprint and thrust, don't allow you to use weapons while they're active; it just seems contradictory that this would. I can't speak for its range of use currently, but if it has to be in I'd prefer it to be solely for navigation rather than letting you spring to the highpoint in combat.
Devin Olsen
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I heard these things are really easy to use.Heh. That's not because the game was running at 60fps - it's because the recording device (a ballin' Aja Ki Pro - and no, you can't afford it, it'll run you $4k) records at 60fps. Sorry.
nillapuddin
Member
I really really hope they change this.
I don't want to have to tilt my head to read any information about the players.
you dont have to!
it only shows vertically for the player cards your NOT currently looking at?
I think thats actually kinda cool, as previously stated, very baseball cardy
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Ah, ok, so did you like the Concussion Rifle more than Reach? Sounds like it could be a really cool gun if it fills the Brute Shots role a bit more. I must have missed your Regen and Incinerator Cannon impression..Im gonna go look for those.
Ok, that sounds pretty cool.
That makes me sad.. And its weird that they designate skins as separate weapons rather than just having a button to toggle through skins.
So, we have:
BR
DMR
AR
Carbine
Storm Rifle
Light Rifle
Promethean Surpressor
Pistol
Plasma Pistol
Boltshot
Frag
Plasma
Promethean Nade
So if I want to read all the gamertags and whatnot, I have to go through all of them instead of just looking at them?
That's dumb.
PS: I know that's how that works by the way, I just don't like it. If I'm playing BTB I'll have to go through a 16 player list while all I had to do in the other Halos was look at the screen.
Latvian Hitman
Member
I definitely understand how you feel. I'd rather it be gone completely. At least it should be a lot less problematic than in Reach, though.
I really really hope they change this.
I don't want to have to tilt my head to read any information about the players.
Such a monumental step back from Reach's lobby system. A couple artists running rampant are allowed to throwaway an iconic system. Crazy stuff.
Really pleased that in the space I previously could have seen 3 friends online via Active Roster, there's now just a spot that says YOU ARE ON RED TEAM. Maybe 343 can have the announcer tell me what team I'm on when I enter the lobby, too.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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So as an avid Active Camo user, below is a compiled list of all observed active camo changes and my analysis of how it will affect gameplay. These are all predictions and what I've seen from the videos and most of them I am pretty sure of.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FHG4Y4l5UQ
Some cool points about Camo. Definitely going to test it out as a main AA now that we have default Sprint and the dots are more effective.
Thoughts on the SAW?
To Aggrotek - I'm currently downloading Plywood's links - Part 4 seems to be perfectly fine. I'm guessing something went wrong for you the first time you tried it, and your browser has cached the bad data.
Worked fine for me. I downloaded all the parts, then extracted them together.
GodlyPerfection
Member
I can definitely get behind this. It would be just for opening up options mainly. You basically can't fire your gun while you are actively holding down the button because your hands are tied up working the jetpack.
You can still fire in the air, just not while actively ascending.I can definitely get behind this. It would be just for opening up options mainly. You basically can't fire your gun while you are actively holding down the button because your hands are tied up working the jetpack.
Wouldn't that depend somewhat on the controller scheme you're using?
ArchedThunder
Banned
A weaponized banana.
GodlyPerfection
Member
I kind of agree, the instantly accessible active roster promoted more accidental "HEY XXXXX IS ON!!!" which encouraged more accidental friend play. Now you have to actively want to look at your roster which means less social interaction unless it is intended.
The Librarian
Banned
I don't normally do this because it's a bit...um...worthless and tiring to discuss theoretical gameplay impacts without having played the game, but on this point I do feel like engaging only because I love the freedom offered by no fall damage.
From my experience with the jetpack in Reach, and the videos I've seen of it in Halo 4, the jetpack doesn't do as well as no fall damage in promoting vertical map movement without any of the map-breaking downsides. I know Mr. David, much appreciatively, said that there probably isn't a jump you can make in the maps where you'll experience fall damage (I don't believe he said anything about a stun). Additionally, I know he said you'll experience it under extraneous circumstances (mancannon + jetpack). But if that's the case, if fall damage is something you'll rarely experience, why is it in there to begin with? If it's a balance to the jetpack, why not only turn it on for jetpack users (if that can be done)? Seems like it would be a great way to help balance jetpack as an AA.
The mancannons in Halo 4 seem to operate like the mancannons in Reach, sadly: propelling you in a safe, low, and deliberate way so as to avoid fall damage or any danger. Reach mancannons were not fun for these reasons. Halo 3's mancannons were fun because they launched you high into the air, exposing you to an element of danger (thereby adding risk and a bit of an adrenaline rush), and being able to land safely to engage in battle immediately.
nillapuddin
Member
Well I mean if your cemented into that position I obviously cant change your mind, but I hope your exaggerating when you say youll have to turn your head.
You have a smart human brain I doubt it will ever be a problem
I regret that you dont take to it, its undoubtedly what (we) will be looking at the next couple years
GodlyPerfection
Member
I meant your spartan's hands, not your actual hands. lol... as a context requirement for why you can't fire while you are jetpacking. Wish I understood the context of having a pistol come out of nowhere when I grab the flag. Why can't I have it come out of nowhere when I run out of ammo.
I thought Halo 3's lobby was WAY better than Reach's... yes you could read each players name in Reach but wtf do I care how many challenges they've completed? You litterally had to drill down like 3 menus to gauge a players skill in Reach's lobby. As long as Halo 4's can give me some pertinant info about skill (K/D, Win/Loss) then I can live with the baseball card layout.
It's just a matter of using the space properly and intuitively. These menus have none of that.
But I guess I'll have to get used to it.
timetokill
Banned
I really really hope they change this.
I don't want to have to tilt my head to read any information about the players.
Eh, I like it. And as a bonus I don't have to tilt my head to read text that way.
Latvian Hitman
Member
Couldn't agree more. I'd love to see that style come back and jetpack just be gone. But I am glad that they're taking steps to at least try to balance the AA's carried over from Reach.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Halo 4's lobby system reminds me of the one in Halo Wars, especially the custom game lobby in Halo Wars.
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