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Halo: Reach |OT4| This Thread is Not Your Grave, But You Are Welcome In It
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Live post-E3 Bombcast going on right now with 343i's David Ellis as one of the guests.
Live post-E3 Bombcast going on right now with 343i's David Ellis as one of the guests.
xxjuicesxx
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Ummmm how did the guy not at that dour assassinate you!?
Steelyuhas
Member
Striker said:
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Que incoming Dax to declare how H3 is the greatest game ever
Blue Ninja
Member
Wait, you're suggesting they remake Halo: CE but not include the campaign?Deputy Moonman said:
Jeez, damn corporations are snatching us up everywhere we go. :lolTunavi said:
Blue Ninja said:
I don't see what's so funny. Halo: CE is a great campaign but many of us have played it plenty. I don't think was such a big demand for the campaign to be remade. I don't even think this game warrants to be called a remake. There's not remaking anything really. It's very bare bones compared to something like the Resident Evil or Metal Gear Solid remakes.
Do you guys think that if Bungie's special number was 10 instead of 7 they would be making 10 remakes for the Halo game instead of 7?
When he suggests Citadel is greater than Sanctuary, Midship, Beaver Creek, and Warlock, I'm just accepting it's a new troll method of his. It's one thing to claim Avalanche over Coagulation, Headlong, and so on, but that just takes the cake. Next he'll say Last Resort is an improvement over Zanzibar.Steelyuhas said:fixed
Que incoming Dax to declare how H3 is the greatest game ever
Short list of reasons why I'd say no to that: random BR, equipment, poor quality maps.vhfive said:
Steelyuhas
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Striker said:
H2's 4v4 maps are literally the best set of maps I have ever played in an FPS. I really like Citadel, but to say that was insane in my opinion.
Avalanche isn't even better than the map it's based on so...
<3 you Dax. Never change in your ever-dying love for H3.
HiredN00bs
Member
Everything about Halo 4 that they've shown just makes me go "ugh". It's the beginning of a new trilogy, yet it's just called "Halo 4". The trailer was jarring--the opening to Halo: CE and the close of Halo 3 were somber and poignant; this is just balls-out ridiculous. John practically smashes out of his cryo tube with new armor, equipment, and weapons, surrounded by explosions, only to come to rest and pose at the edge of his exploding ship. It's just so over-the-top and distasteful to me. Even the logo that BS Angel just posted feels blandly derivative and irks me.
I really wish Bungie would give us some kind of teaser on Bungie day.
Halo: CEA isn't impressing me a whole lot either. Don't get me wrong, it's a day 1 purchase, simply for the Reach DLC, but I have to share some of Moonman's sentiment. I would have much preferred they spent that time and money making CE Multiplayer for XBL instead of putting a new graphical engine over top of CE. In my opinion based on what they've shown, the graphics don't come up to the bar set by Reach, and give me the impression of being artistically inconsistent. I would have been perfectly happy playing the game with original graphics in HD with a wider aspect ratio and online co-op and adversarial multiplayer.
I really wish Bungie would give us some kind of teaser on Bungie day.
Halo: CEA isn't impressing me a whole lot either. Don't get me wrong, it's a day 1 purchase, simply for the Reach DLC, but I have to share some of Moonman's sentiment. I would have much preferred they spent that time and money making CE Multiplayer for XBL instead of putting a new graphical engine over top of CE. In my opinion based on what they've shown, the graphics don't come up to the bar set by Reach, and give me the impression of being artistically inconsistent. I would have been perfectly happy playing the game with original graphics in HD with a wider aspect ratio and online co-op and adversarial multiplayer.
Nora Kisaragi
Banned
HiredN00bs said:
What are you trying to say? That it shouldn't have been called Halo 4?
-looks at Star Wars, the two trilogies, looks at their names, then looks back at your post-
HiredN00bs said:
1.) Uh what? Did you just completely forget Halo CE's opening? You seem to be forgetting the opening to Halo 1 had Master Chief breaking out of Cryo, except UNSC Troops did it for him. This time, there was no UNSC to help him, only Cortana's voice, which was more than enough to get him out. Master Chief breaking out of Cryo is a perfect nod to the original trilogy's opening.
2.) Character designs change over time. It's a fact that will always exist.
3.) You're raging over a pose? Really?
HiredN00bs said:
Halo? Over-the-top? Since when is this news?
Halo has been redefining the FPS Genre since Halo 1, and has dominated the sci-fi shooter domain since. It SHOULD be over-the-top.
HiredN00bs said:
Bungie is giving Microsoft Halo Reach's matchmaking source code on Bungie Day, or, after it anyway.
I'm sure they have something to give the community too.
HiredN00bs said:
Halo: CE wasn't remembered for it's multiplayer.
Pistols. Pistols everywhere.
Steelyuhas
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Nora Kisaragi said:
L O L
HiredN00bs
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@ Nora Kisaragi
Well, it's clear we disagree. I really don't find the Halo 4 trailer to be in the same vein as the previous games. The opening to Halo: CE was filled with awe. The opening shot of the ring world, the attack on the Pillar of Autumn--the ship was being attacked, yet we're taken to a quiet room with technicians who are given the fantastic cryptic command, "UNSEAL THE HUSHED CASKET". They bring John out of cryostasis, may or may not run some calibration tests, and then he moves unarmed to the bridge to talk to Captain Keyes. Saying it's comparable to the Halo 4 trailer is just silly.
And I'm not taking any issue with his particular pose, (I don't know where you got that impression), I'm saying that it's ridiculous that he literally flies through an exploding ship, yet doesn't seek to escape it, but instead poses at its edge while the explosions are still going on.
Halo had some over-the-top action scenes, it is an action game, but it had a certain style and pacing in the way those scenes were executed. In the trailer, it's different, and in my opinion, off.
Well, it's clear we disagree. I really don't find the Halo 4 trailer to be in the same vein as the previous games. The opening to Halo: CE was filled with awe. The opening shot of the ring world, the attack on the Pillar of Autumn--the ship was being attacked, yet we're taken to a quiet room with technicians who are given the fantastic cryptic command, "UNSEAL THE HUSHED CASKET". They bring John out of cryostasis, may or may not run some calibration tests, and then he moves unarmed to the bridge to talk to Captain Keyes. Saying it's comparable to the Halo 4 trailer is just silly.
And I'm not taking any issue with his particular pose, (I don't know where you got that impression), I'm saying that it's ridiculous that he literally flies through an exploding ship, yet doesn't seek to escape it, but instead poses at its edge while the explosions are still going on.
Halo had some over-the-top action scenes, it is an action game, but it had a certain style and pacing in the way those scenes were executed. In the trailer, it's different, and in my opinion, off.
Blue Ninja
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Well, he's right. CE's campaign is a lot more memorable than its multiplayer.Steelyuhas said:L O L
Steelyuhas
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Blue Ninja said:
Halo CE is the pinnacle of a console multiplayer FPS in my opinion.
Blue Ninja
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One weapon to rule them all and Achilles' shins?Steelyuhas said:
Halo 3 was the best multiplayer Halo, imo. Halo 2 had some of the best maps, but gameplay-wise Halo 3 takes the proverbial crown.
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HiredN00bs said:
You know it's silly to compare a short pre-release CGI announcement trailer of a game's third sequel with the original game's finalised in-engine lengthy opening cinematic, right?
When Halo 4 ships and you get to see the opening, feel free to compare it all you want. Right now you sound a bit crazy. You might even like Halo 4's opening as it may be entirely different from the teaser.
Steelyuhas
Member
Blue Ninja said:One weapon to rule them all and Achilles' shins?
Halo 3 was the best multiplayer Halo, imo. Halo 2 had some of the best maps, but gameplay-wise Halo 3 takes the proverbial crown.
Alright I think the bolded statement means we agree to disagree, because I see Halo 3 as the hands down worst multiplayer entree in the series.
Every weapon in Halo CE had a distinct role (except the Needler I admit).
Dani said:
Yep.
Remember that H3's announcement trailer is an adjusted scene from the middle of the game. Don't take to much from announcement CGI trailers.
Blue Ninja
Member
All right, agree to disagree. Gotta go make a Law exam in two hours, don't feel like arguing and forgetting everything. :lolSteelyuhas said:
If you don't remember Halo CE for its multiplayer in any way, then you must not have had any friends to play it with at the time because it was the most fun I've ever had with LANing. Yes the campaign was amazing too and that was the thing that first got me hooked on Halo, but me and my friends ended up spending countless hours playing the multiplayer together. For me there has been no other game to date that brought people together to play like that. Don't say stupid things like "Halo CE wasn't remembered for its multiplayer." I know plenty of people that have more fond memories of its multiplayer rather than from its campaign.
Halo's replayability for its campaign was pretty damn good, but I would argue that the majority of people who played Halo CE played much more of its multiplayer. Unless they had no one to play with lol.
Halo's replayability for its campaign was pretty damn good, but I would argue that the majority of people who played Halo CE played much more of its multiplayer. Unless they had no one to play with lol.
HiredN00bs
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Not really, since my qualms are all about style. I suppose I could compare this teaser to the teasers for the other games, and my comments would be pretty much the same; it's easily the worst.Dani said:
HiredN00bs
Member
It might mean something about the game's direction. All we have to talk about right now is the teaser. Consider me un-teased.Trasher said:
Nora Kisaragi
Banned
Steelyuhas said:
If i'm reading this post right, you support every single person in the game using the same overpowered weapon to get kills?
You and I must have been playing two completely different games...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOCAnzGbjkA
edit: I also believe the pistol is one of the reasons Frankie gave for NOT Remaking Halo CE's netcode.
http://halo.xbox.com/en-us/news/headline/the-halo-bulletin-inaugural-frankie-edition/59856
4 team slayer wins and 2 losses, not a bad morning
One of the losses i had a complete and utter shit team. In the pregame lobby i seen they were all very new to the game so i just saluted to my screen knowin i was going into a slaughterhouse.
Had a 3 month break from this game, and goddam its good to be back scoring top/second top of the scoreboard on what ever team i'm on.
Loving pulling midair Assasantions, shit feels so badass.
One of the losses i had a complete and utter shit team. In the pregame lobby i seen they were all very new to the game so i just saluted to my screen knowin i was going into a slaughterhouse.
Had a 3 month break from this game, and goddam its good to be back scoring top/second top of the scoreboard on what ever team i'm on.
Loving pulling midair Assasantions, shit feels so badass.
HiredN00bs
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Nora Kisaragi said:
[prophetoftruth.gif]
Your inability to interpret that comment as sarcastic was a colossal failure.
The pistol in Halo:CE may have been an unintended design, (as some at Bungie have stated), but it made the game what it was: a unique, highly-skillful, competitive shooter that is still held in the highest regard.
bobs...onGaf
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equil said:
Me please?
Nora Kisaragi said:
Your post makes me sad, the Halo CE Pistol was awesome and one of the reasons people loved the multiplayer of the game. Frankie saying that people would abuse it 24/7 also makes me sad, because I hope 343 dont have the same feelings toward precision weapon play in Halo as Bungie did. Bungie seemed to hate how popular precision weapons were and game after game nerfed them down to the point that they even had to add bloom. I think Halo has its audiance that loves the AR, but for me some of the best gameplay comes from the precision weapon play, the other weapons are fun as hell, but nothing beats Br/ Pistol duels. If Halo 4 keeps the 5 shot kill I will be pretty damn dissapointed, even if bloom is gone.
The Librarian
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Because when it comes to these kinds of things, campaign takes precedence over multiplayer. As it should.Deputy Moonman said:
Halo 3's superior gameplay does that for you. My memories of Sanctuary are bruised with overcharged plasma shots hitting me in ridiculous ways and then getting killed instantly. Don't remember much of my experiences from Warlock and Beaver Creek but they weren't as enjoyable as Citadel from what I can recall.Striker said:
Avalanche is a lot better than Coagulation (we have it in Reach and it plays terribly). Headlong I've never understood the love for. Plus, none of the maps you mentioned have mancannons.
Probably what's most grating about your posts is that you can't seem to find a fault with Halo 2.
They're both bad maps.
Dude, I remember when Coco posted that story of the Halo 3 parade on Sandtrap. Awesome stuff.GhaleonEB said:Heh. Found the gallery I saved from the escort lap, as I called it. This was fun, we should totally do it some time.Dani
I felt warm and fuzzy all the rest of the night.
Pictures
Tha Robbertster
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Anyone else hoping for a transport Falcon in the new maps coming with anniversery? When I saw the Falcon for the first time, I thought there would be at least one seat for a flag/bomb carrier. '
Maybe they could make it have only one turret or make the pilot have a weaker version of the turret like in campaign.
Bungie did it with Avalanch in Halo 3 with the Hornet so I don't see why it couldn't do it for Reach.
Maybe they could make it have only one turret or make the pilot have a weaker version of the turret like in campaign.
Bungie did it with Avalanch in Halo 3 with the Hornet so I don't see why it couldn't do it for Reach.
ncsuDuncan
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Bungie Day TheoriesHey You said:
- Bungie vs. the World - Steaktaculars? Giving out star nameplates? (reasonable)
- Aerospace/Destiny swag? (e.g. "Seven Seraphs" shirts?) (reasonable)
- Reach/Halo post-mortem vidoc (With footage recorded at Lous Wu's LAN?) (reasonable)
- Megalo download (unlikely)
- New Reach map (unlikely)
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Any others?
squidhands
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I'd love to see a transport carrier that just had the front gun on it. Not being able to carry a flag/bomb in the Warthog of the sky is a shame.Tha Robbertster said:
I dunno, maybe some Haunted Helmet unlocks for BvW? I'd love to see a Reach post-mortem on Bungie Day for sure (the campaign commentary was kind of letdown, IMO). Great idea.ncsuDuncan said:
The Librarian
Banned
I want everything.ncsuDuncan said:
Bungie vs. The World. Kill a Bungie employee, get blue flames.ncsuDuncan said:
Something interesting with game types and game type customization. The theory that Megalo might get released in some form is tantalizing, but I'd put that in the "unlikely" bucket. That Bungie Day takes place the same week as what will be Bungie's final playlist update makes me think it will go out with a bang, with some sort of parting gift.
This.bobs99 ... said:
Look at Gears. Epic didn't intend a huge shotgun wall bouncing fest, but thats what happened and Epic has embraced it while trying to beef up the ARs to make them still useful while the shotgun still stays the main weapon.
CE didn't do this perfectly but it was close. Hitscan H3 BR for balance there, CE other weapons
LunaticPuma
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It'd be nice if they did something for Bungie Day that didn't require an obscene amount of luck to have a chance to unlock. Things like Bungie vs. The World are cool, but give those of us who can't play a game for 12 hours in a day a chance earn the swag too.
The Lamonster
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Can anyone help me with a technical network issue I've been having?
This has been going on for months - sometimes after a gametype/map has been chosen, I am separated from the rest of the players in the match just as the game starts. I noticed on my modem that the DSL light goes from solid green to blinking red, as if Halo Reach kills my internet connection when this happens. Then the game starts and I'm the only person in the game and I get an immediate GAME OVER and have to wait for my friends to finish the game. This happens about once every 4 games. It really sucks
This has been going on for months - sometimes after a gametype/map has been chosen, I am separated from the rest of the players in the match just as the game starts. I noticed on my modem that the DSL light goes from solid green to blinking red, as if Halo Reach kills my internet connection when this happens. Then the game starts and I'm the only person in the game and I get an immediate GAME OVER and have to wait for my friends to finish the game. This happens about once every 4 games. It really sucks
Barrow Roll
Member
I think you're being a little ridiculous here. It's "balls out ridiculous" but with a purpose and definitely in the proper context. John bursting out of his cryo tube is perfectly appropriate for the situation. He hears Cortana's cries for help, clearly there's an emergency, there's no time for a slow awakening. The teaser is trying to convey that sense of urgency. The way John escapes the ship is also completely appropriate. He is a man of action, no time to observe the explosion. Shits going down and they need to get out. His flips and what not are perfectly in line with the abilities that Spartans posses. When they finally get to the edge of the ship, there's nothing more they can do than stand in awe at their impending destination, a huge alien structure that's probably striking fear into him.HiredN00bs said:
As for the new armor, equipment and weapons, that's what teasers are supposed to do. Tease the new, raise a few questions for fans to speculate on in the coming months, not just reveal it all. The teaser does that perfectly as long as you have a brain competent enough to know that it is just a teaser and not something ripped straight out of the game.
And I can't believe you're actually taking issue with the name. Halo 4 is what it is. It doesn't need to oversell itself. You can gather 2 very important things from the name Halo 4.
a) It's the 4th entry in the main Halo storyline.
b) It will star the Master Chief as the leading protagonist.
Bam, job done. It doesn't need to be anything more than that.
ncsuDuncan
Member
I was really excited for the Forge World reveal, I thought we were going to have some epic CTF maps in customs, flying the flag from one end to the other.squidhands said:
I suppose we can do that now with Speedflag, but it's just not the same. The Falcon is a great vehicle, but at times I really wish we could spawn Transport Hornets on Forge World.
Choppers too.
I don't think they'd ever just give out Haunted Helmets since you can eventually unlock them once you hit 100% armory completion. Did they give out any Recon helmets after they added the Road to Recon in ODST?
I'm really leaning towards Bungie vs. the World with star nameplates as the prize. Still not sure if steak fits into that, I guess Bungie could a cookout at the studio while they play.
Don't we all?Dax01 said:
Is the Bungie version of Haunted any different than what you get at 100% armory completion? Did they ever give out fire in Halo 3? I just don't see it happening. Not this late in the game, the tears shed in the forums over people getting Bungie-exclusive unlocks would only be exceeded by the amount of bitching.GhaleonEB said:
Yep, giving us Megalo would blow customs wide open. Definitely "unlikely" but a boy can dream. As for the final playlist update... I dunno. I don't think they will get too crazy and leave 343 stuck supporting any radical changes.
I wasn't suggesting radical changes, but rather sets of options, similar to how new game types have been added and new game options floated in with each update (Haloball, Hockey, Speedpile, Speedflag, 3-flag, etc.). Just a big set of custom game options from which a wide array of new game types could be made for custom games. Nothing that would disrupt matchmaking, but give a tool to the community as a parting gift to play with.ncsuDuncan said:
I think the only thing is blue flames, but aside from Megalo, that's the only thing I could think of that fit the description, "maybe even get your hands on something you might never have expected". So I was tossing out the suggestion of something I never (and still don't) expect. Just in case.ncsuDuncan said:
LunaticPuma
dresses business casual
What in the world is Megalo?
Also, will Bungie fix Invasion in their final playlist offering?
Changes I think should happen include having 2 types of Invasion offerings. The first would be the normal 6 v 6 Invasion (objective only) offering. I would end Invasion Slayer in its current form. The second would be a 4 v 4 playlist consisting of Elites vs. Spartans game types dropping the BattleBro system. This would be a mix of objective and slayer games. Objective games would all be one sided, round based (flag/core & assault - different maps could have different races playing offense or defense), and slayer games would be 2 rounds with each team playing as each race one time. Slayer games would be based on time and not score limit ( 5 or 6 minutes as each side) and the team that amasses the most cumulative kills wins. The 4 v 4 could utilize the smaller maps and greatly expand the variety in the Invasion playlist.
Invasion at its core is a great concept. Bungie/NoF just hasn't explored it to its true potential.
Also, will Bungie fix Invasion in their final playlist offering?
Changes I think should happen include having 2 types of Invasion offerings. The first would be the normal 6 v 6 Invasion (objective only) offering. I would end Invasion Slayer in its current form. The second would be a 4 v 4 playlist consisting of Elites vs. Spartans game types dropping the BattleBro system. This would be a mix of objective and slayer games. Objective games would all be one sided, round based (flag/core & assault - different maps could have different races playing offense or defense), and slayer games would be 2 rounds with each team playing as each race one time. Slayer games would be based on time and not score limit ( 5 or 6 minutes as each side) and the team that amasses the most cumulative kills wins. The 4 v 4 could utilize the smaller maps and greatly expand the variety in the Invasion playlist.
Invasion at its core is a great concept. Bungie/NoF just hasn't explored it to its true potential.
ncsuDuncan
Member
Ah, so maybe not Megalo in its entirety but a bunch of new gametypes with various new options?GhaleonEB said:
So we wouldn't be able to add in custom scripting like Chess, but maybe we get a CTF gametype that includes all of the hidden options unlocked.
It all depends on how these extra options have been added so far. Obviously Chess was custom scripting, but was 3-flag in Megalo at launch and was only hidden? Or did Jeremiah have to add some scripting to let the 3-flag option be enabled?
When they gave us Chess on April 1st they mentioned an internal scripting competition. Maybe we'll get some more gametypes out of that?
If you haven't figured it out already, Megalo is Bungie's tool for editing gametypes. It's how they made the Chess gametype and added options like 3-flag CTF or Power Slayer.LunaticPuma said:
My understanding is it was added via scripting, like the other game types. I'm not certain though.ncsuDuncan said:
For those that missed it, Jeremiah posted a now locked thread in Optimatch asking for questions on Megalo that might be answered at some point in the future. That's what sparked the theory that it was the thing Urk referred to in the update with, "maybe even get your hands on something you might never have expected". Though it is more likely just going to be a look behind the scenes of how Jeremiah and team did their playlist updates, probably for Bungie Day.