The worst part is that when and if MCC recovers from stumbling like this, the population will have already taken a major nosedive. I have a particular feeling that we didn't get population numbers this time around to avoid a Halo4populationchart.jpg. Which, after all' said and done now, could quite possibly have steeper curves than that one.
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Halo The Master Chief Collection |OT| Halo Never Died, It Was Just Missing In Action
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Sales have already taken a gigantic slump in the PAL charts.
I'd like to think that this game has a stronger staying power than Halo 4; but the plateau will probably be similar to Halo 4: One Year Later.
If the dedis work this shouldn't be an issue...
Edit: If sales don't recover, I can see the game making a financial loss. That would be absolutely unprecedented for Halo game. I don't think it would have managed more than a few million copies at best. Nightfall and Halo 2 Anniversary would have easily cost tens of millions of dollars (Forward Unto Dawn was $10 million and Nightfall is probably more adventurous + 1 hour of crazy expensive CGI).
edit2: Then again, this is all speculation. The games are essentially ports; not nearly as expensive as a new AAA. They probably did make the money back day 1...
RandyBobandy
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Well done, 343
CassidyIzABeast
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They recouped that money on day 1.
I'm not so sure. Apparently they shipped 1 million copies is the estimate, in first week. Then it cliffed in charts. Say they make $50 per copy (minus distributors costs etc). That's $50m. In the UK they've been running TV adverts for weeks during shows like The X-Factor. Billboards. Magazine placement. In the US, Europe etc. That stuff costs money. Also, they have the cost of those cutscenes, 7 studios working on the games etc. Ultimately they will make a profit, but I think the margin may be thinner than they predicted.
The Real Napsta
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It sold a lot of Xboxes though. That's the real victory.
Diablohead
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I'm also annoyed that the talk of servers was more or less a lie, if there are servers I was never seeing them, you can tell when you have a good connection or not with grenade throws.
It also doesn't help that if the servers were live the game will never inform you that you are on one, you will always end up thinking "Could that match have been better?" because you flat out do not know.
This release was a fault of making quick money before long term relationships with the fans, not smart.
True dat.
Ape Gone Insane
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My only worry is by the time I get the game and this is fixed, the low population won't make it worth playing. What's the population like at the moment?
We don't know, they havent shared any numbers with us, yet.
How does a bug like this even happen??
Wrong question... How does it get into the final release???
something something searching for posts something
StoppedInTracks
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Is the game fixed yet, guys? I am not unpacking it before it is patched and deemed "fixed" by the Halo community.
CassidyIzABeast
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17k for a collection of old games is slow?
Mixolydian
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I don't think it's slow, but I do think it'd be moving a lot faster if the game worked properly.
Yep. Christmas Eve is pretty much the point of no return for this game. If the game isn't up to par by then, the game is pretty much screwed in terms of population. I totally think that if the doomsday not-fixed-by-Christmas scenario happens its also going to make a dent in Halo 5's sales as well, to be honest.
Nowhere near.
This. I havn't even booted up my Xbox since 2 days after MCC launched. Gonna wait for it to bake a couple more weeks and actually see some positive posts about it before I jump back in.
Still has a lot of bugs.
Matchmaking without any friends/party members has been significantly better for me compared to launch day. But people are reporting that it still has a lot of issues with parties in match making. I personally have had almost no issues with Halo CE or Halo 2's campaign at all. The only glitch I've run into was the one where 343 Guilty Spark gets skipped, but the workaround for that is as simple as quitting and then just selecting 343 from the menu and starting. I haven't touched Halo 3 or Halo 4's campaigns yet (just haven't gotten around to it) but I've heard those two have more issues.
So depending on what you want to do, you might be able to deem the game playable. 343's next patch better show some more significant improvements though.
The Jackdog
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I seriously have encountered zero bugs in the campaigns. Zip. Others have had issues, for SURE.
Multiplayer is still way too broken to be considered working, but you can at least find some matches and play.
Just don't bother with a party.
Myself included - bought an Xbone solely for this title. An Xbox that I'm going to have to RMA for a number of issues.
Really an incredible gaming experience thus far.
There's no way it's recovering. That ship has sailed.
BeamImpact
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i dont have that much worries about the activity, the game probably will be part of games with gold shortly before Halo 5 launches to boost sales, this should bring in enough new players
this requires the game being fully patched until then ofc
this requires the game being fully patched until then ofc
I don't buy this, yet. Christmas and the Halo 5 beta are going to bring a lot of eyes back to the MCC yet. There is barely enough time to save face.
ebullientprism
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Yep. The Halo hardcore will stick around or come back. The casuals are gone for good. I doubt the H5 beta will make many people come back for regular Halo.
343 really screwed the pooch with this one.
psychotron
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Fired it up last night to continue my Halo 2 campaign. I only play when I can complete a full level because checkpoints don't save (screw you 343). The new cutscenes seem to stutter in spots and the lip sync seems off. Anyone else pick up on that? I didn't notice it much before but it's happening a lot now, on top of the frequent frame rate drops that shouldn't be there during gameplay. So mad at this collection.
BigTnaples
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Eh. You overestimate the damage. Many of the "casuals" are just now getting the game on Black Friday and Christmas.the hardcore are the ones who picked it up day one.
ebullientprism
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And its still not working. You can find a game every now and then but a bunch of playlists are still broken. Parties are still being split up in game. Backing out of games is still causing problems. Game is still crashing to black screen. People are still getting kicked out to the main menu in game. And its still laggy as often as its smooth.
I dont see how anyone who isnt a massive Halo fan is gonna stick with this over the next few weeks. Maybe if its totally fixed by Christmas (unlikely) then the people who get it on christmas might stick around. But others are gone for good.
Hell I love Halo and I still cant be bothered to load it up cause its not gonna work more often than it will work.
You underestimate it.
The people who still try and get on this game consistently, and the ones who are not selling it for hope it will work "soon" are the hardcore.
The casuals have already bought it on black friday, or launch date. Christmas will bring a spike of new players but it will be a small fraction of the ones who bought it at launch.
When a casual player sees the game is a broken mess they will try and get their money back. These players don't really check waypoint to see patch notes. They just see a broken game.
I haven't noticed stutter or lip sync really, but I play with subs on so I can make sure I see what they're saying, and those are way off.
The Jackdog
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I agree, but bad word of mouth for those people picking up gifts can't help.
I've heard that this happens, but I haven't noticed it happen on my game. If it does you could just check online on the site and see which ones it says you have done solo and which co-op.
SlickShoes
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All but dead, currently has 555 viewers. That's about the best I have seen it for a few days now. It's shit to watch because you are mostly watching matchmaking fail repeatedly.
People are too busy playing Disney Infinity 2.0 to bother with MCC.
Ol No Bones
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Some friends and I finally got some games fairly consistently last night. We had a blast but this game is still frustrating. People make fun of MS and xbox for all sorts of stupid things but the release of this game in my mind is the worst blunder Xbox has had by far. People bought this game literally to be able to play multiplayer silky smooth and this has been a buggy mess. Its sad for me more than anything.
Yeah, I'd agree with that. Obviously the faster 343 fixes MCC the more they can get positive word of mouth out by Christmas. Hell, if they get it fixed before Christmas I'll personally scream from the highest mountain - when MCC works it's still glorious.
People bought the CONSOLE to be able to play Halo MP. I agree, it's sad.
I've not tried it since the week after release, is it any better yet?
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