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[MisterFalcon]

This hospital megabase is coming up a bit short with what the IDF has shown so far. A hospital in a warzone is expected to have small arms present of the fighters being treated. The Geneva Convention clearly mentions this:

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gci-1949/article-22/commentary/2016

The following conditions shall not be considered as depriving a medical unit or establishment of the protection guaranteed by Article 19:
(1) That the personnel of the unit or establishment are armed, and that they use the arms in their own defence, or in that of the wounded and sick in their charge.
(2) That in the absence of armed orderlies, the unit or establishment is protected by a picket or by sentries or by an escort.
(3) That small arms and ammunition taken from the wounded and sick and not yet handed to the proper service, are found in the unit or establishment.

Yes, Hamas now has a dozen less AK rifles. Was that worth the effort?

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

es, Hamas now has a dozen less AK rifles. Was that worth the effort?

Yes, because they buy weapons again but it allowed them to rally the crowd due to them hiding in the hospital.

 

[Wildebeest]

Yes, Hamas now has a dozen less AK rifles. Was that worth the effort?

Obviously, all this was not worth the overall effort to recover a few rifles and uniforms.

(1) That the personnel of the unit or establishment are armed, and that they use the arms in their own defence, or in that of the wounded and sick in their charge.
(2) That in the absence of armed orderlies, the unit or establishment is protected by a picket or by sentries or by an escort.

He wasn't presenting captured personnel in uniforms.

(3) That small arms and ammunition taken from the wounded and sick and not yet handed to the proper service, are found in the unit or establishment.

He claimed the small arms and ammunition were not "recovered from sick and wounded" waiting to be returned but hidden caches of "grab bags" with kit in good condition to equip a fighter. I suppose this could be seen as subjective or legally disputable, but it seems somewhat obvious that uniforms recovered from the "sick and wounded" would not be fresh and packed along with the rifles and ammo in bags which could be used to equip one soldier.

 

[MisterFalcon]

That's a big leap from the hospital being the nerve center of Hamas operations, the capture of which would be vital.

 

[wa600]

Can I just point out the amazing debunking the pro-palestine side is doing?

For example the new no cut video of the idf going through the al shifa hopsital. On twitter you will find comments like these "100% percent staged. No way anyone kept weapons in a room with an MRI".
I honestly think this guy deserves a medal. Because only a smart person would figure out that the idf - out of all places - would chose such a room to try to convince people of their narrative.

But in all honesty.. there are basically only two possibilities:
a) this is exactly how the idf found the place or
b) this is staged.

Now the thing is. No matter if true or staged, 100% percent guy will chose to believe his narrative no matter the facts. If the other side makes accustations, he will not even bother to fact check them, because - as long as it fits his narartive - they will always be true to him.


Another thing I found:


Why is this upvoted so much and how the fuck is the calendar (which btw was found in a different hospital) proof that there is no hamas base under al shifa hospital?!
The one thing you can say is that the assumption that the arabic words were terrorist names was wrong. Everything else of that (longer) video pretty much stands. It feels like these people have no functioning brain to come up with their conclusions.

 

[Wildebeest]

That's a big leap from the hospital being the nerve center of Hamas operations, the capture of which would be vital.

They claim the "nerve centres" are the underground network they have. I think the claims about the hospital would be that Hamas would be freely able to use it as cover with the complicity of the medical staff turning a blind eye, but also that its protection from bombs mean that military supplies could be more safely stored underneath.

 

[ADiTAR]

Can I just point out the amazing debunking the pro-palestine side is doing?

For example the new no cut video of the idf going through the al shifa hopsital. On twitter you will find comments like these "100% percent staged. No way anyone kept weapons in a room with an MRI".
I honestly think this guy deserves a medal. Because only a smart person would figure out that the idf - out of all places - would chose such a room to try to convince people of their narrative.

But in all honesty.. there are basically only two possibilities:
a) this is exactly how the idf found the place or
b) this is staged.

Now the thing is. No matter if true or staged, 100% percent guy will chose to believe his narrative no matter the facts. If the other side makes accustations, he will not even bother to fact check them, because - as long as it fits his narartive - they will always be true to him.


Another thing I found:


Why is this upvoted so much and how the fuck is the calendar (which btw was found in a different hospital) proof that there is no hamas base under al shifa hospital?!
The one thing you can say is that the assumption that the arabic words were terrorist names was wrong. Everything else of that (longer) video pretty much stands. It feels like these people have no functioning brain to come up with their conclusions.

This is also a video from a different hospital, and it was stupid of IDF not to check it's a fucking calendar.

It really doesn't fucking matter, wiping Hamas is all the matters, the world and its opinion can go f themselves.

 

[Tomeru]

If it's not their fault, it ain't from lack of trying.

True. But if you can't blame peoplefor being stupid, you can blame them for not trying to become un-stupid. I mean, they are probably sitting their peers right now, discussing how life altering implications that letter had on them. How it opened their eyes to how they have all the wealth they have, and how they will take steps and use said wealth to educate people to not use said wealth because...

Shit that was close.

I'm fucking stumpt at the sheer will of people to dig down behind ignorance.

 

[MisterFalcon]

They claim the "nerve centres" are the underground network they have. I think the claims about the hospital would be that Hamas would be freely able to use it as cover with the complicity of the medical staff turning a blind eye, but also that its protection from bombs mean that military supplies could be more safely stored underneath.

Then show us how you go from the hospital into that underground network, With some big rooms full of maps, weapons, communications gear and such.

What we see now is just working towards a conclusion, regardless of what is seen.
-A bag with a gun and ammo: A grab bag for a fighter
-A gun lying on the ground: A weapon ready to be used by a fighter
-A bag/crate with 10 guns and ammo: A weapons stockpile
-A gun dismantled in pieces: A gun workshop

The burden of proof is on the IDF to show the use of the hospital as a military base. Some rifles being present in a warzone is not enough. If every place with weapons is a military target that means all the kibbutzes attacked on 7/10 are also military as there were guns present for the guards.

 

[FunkMiller]

It's absolutely true that the IDF need to show clear evidence of how Hamas are using hospitals as bases. Otherwise they can rightly be accused of not backing up their claims, which will weaken international support.

 

[Wildebeest]

It's absolutely true that the IDF need to show clear evidence of how Hamas are using hospitals as bases. Otherwise they can rightly be accused of not backing up their claims, which will weaken international support.

I'm not sure how they would do that if the best footage they could show would be them dropping explosives down some hole in the ground and doing a controlled detonation. "Oh, but it was such a big explosion." "Of course it was, they planted the explosives."

 

[ADiTAR]

I'm not sure how they would do that if the best footage they could show would be them dropping explosives down some hole in the ground and doing a controlled detonation. "Oh, but it was such a big explosion." "Of course it was, they planted the explosives."

Yeah, I'm hoping there's more.

 

[Dane]

TikTok, melting the brains of an entire generation.

The very reason why voting age should be raised

 

[cormack12]

I might ride the coat tails of this and found the UK Hamas party. Tories are rocking, Labour is doing their best to lose the election so there's a gap to exploit here.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

I might ride the coat tails of this and found the UK Hamas party. Tories are rocking, Labour is doing their best to lose the election so there's a gap to exploit here.

But I thought that Tories were bound to lose no?

 

[winjer]

I might ride the coat tails of this and found the UK Hamas party. Tories are rocking, Labour is doing their best to lose the election so there's a gap to exploit here.

Labor, once again, grasping defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

[ADiTAR]

 

[DeepEnigma]

Rest in Piss, demons.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Makes sense that there are more normal and adequate people than fanatics. I think that as soon as Israel wins, a lot of loud voices will disappear.

 

[Happosai]

Really wish they would do this. It's one thing to see the hoards screaming and waving terrorist flags in the streets. However, there's data missing. I'd like to see how many are in favor of Israel and stand behind them. Real simple poll too and pretty quick to collect results.

 

[BlackTron]

I watched that single cut video last night and was honestly confused. The weapons present in the hospital were not exactly damning. Before I continue, Hamas are obviously still wrong, and terrorists, and need to be destroyed. But I didn't see some big weapons cache. I saw bug-out bags that *could* have been left there by terrorists hours before the hospital was cleared and evacuated.

My first thought was that either the MRI had not been used in a long time, or that single man cache of weapons had not been there very long. Obviously you can't activate a MRI in a room with grenades sitting behind the unit. Fuck, the pins could fly right out! And the guns? A while ago we had a story of a lawyer who died when his gun went off after taking it into a MRI room. Being a single vest/bag of stuff tossed back there, it makes you wonder. When was the last time the MRI was used, and when and how was it tossed back there.

This isn't meant to say the IDF are wrong about what they're doing, but their way of documenting this is not favoring the PR war. I'm the most pro-Israel guy you can find and was scratching my head the whole video. If that's all they have to show, I would have waited until I had more to show anything at all. Even if everything had been in place for years, with not a single bug-out bag tossed in a corner by a terrorist the day before. It still doesn't add up to a substantial military base. It frankly looks like a bunch of shit left around by militants that walked in. I mean it's literally vests and bags. I expect to see the place where all the vests and bags are put together and gotten ready, and I hope we do. That might be impossible, because the tunnels could be too dangerous to go do anything about but blow up.

The other thing that needs to be considered is that Israel gave Hamas an extreme amount of time and warning. They had, relatively speaking, forever to prepare and move their stuff. I would expect most of the goods to be underground anyway, and anything that wasn't to be moved in a real hurry. Should that be the case, I don't think showing some bags/vests in a hospital with "see? told you!" is the PR move.

 

[Happosai]

I watched that single cut video last night and was honestly confused. The weapons present in the hospital were not exactly damning. Before I continue, Hamas are obviously still wrong, and terrorists, and need to be destroyed. But I didn't see some big weapons cache. I saw bug-out bags that *could* have been left there by terrorists hours before the hospital was cleared and evacuated.

My first thought was that either the MRI had not been used in a long time, or that single man cache of weapons had not been there very long. Obviously you can't activate a MRI in a room with grenades sitting behind the unit. Fuck, the pins could fly right out! And the guns? A while ago we had a story of a lawyer who died when his gun went off after taking it into a MRI room. Being a single vest/bag of stuff tossed back there, it makes you wonder. When was the last time the MRI was used, and when and how was it tossed back there.

This isn't meant to say the IDF are wrong about what they're doing, but their way of documenting this is not favoring the PR war. I'm the most pro-Israel guy you can find and was scratching my head the whole video. If that's all they have to show, I would have waited until I had more to show anything at all. Even if everything had been in place for years, with not a single bug-out bag tossed in a corner by a terrorist the day before. It still doesn't add up to a substantial military base. It frankly looks like a bunch of shit left around by militants that walked in. I mean it's literally vests and bags. I expect to see the place where all the vests and bags are put together and gotten ready, and I hope we do. That might be impossible, because the tunnels could be too dangerous to go do anything about but blow up.

The other thing that needs to be considered is that Israel gave Hamas an extreme amount of time and warning. They had, relatively speaking, forever to prepare and move their stuff. I would expect most of the goods to be underground anyway, and anything that wasn't to be moved in a real hurry. Should that be the case, I don't think showing some bags/vests in a hospital with "see? told you!" is the PR move.

The raid of the hospital did garner attention from everyone. I'm still waiting on a more thorough report on this. Part of me thinks that it took so long to get to that hospital that it gave time for Hamas to clear out and bury evidence. Not something they'd typically do as they're proud of using their human shields. However, Hamas is pushing hard for the media to believe 'they're the good guys.' If IDF didn't find them this time though -- they still will. They'll get em'.

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

I watched that single cut video last night and was honestly confused. The weapons present in the hospital were not exactly damning. Before I continue, Hamas are obviously still wrong, and terrorists, and need to be destroyed. But I didn't see some big weapons cache. I saw bug-out bags that *could* have been left there by terrorists hours before the hospital was cleared and evacuated.

My first thought was that either the MRI had not been used in a long time, or that single man cache of weapons had not been there very long. Obviously you can't activate a MRI in a room with grenades sitting behind the unit. Fuck, the pins could fly right out! And the guns? A while ago we had a story of a lawyer who died when his gun went off after taking it into a MRI room. Being a single vest/bag of stuff tossed back there, it makes you wonder. When was the last time the MRI was used, and when and how was it tossed back there.

This isn't meant to say the IDF are wrong about what they're doing, but their way of documenting this is not favoring the PR war. I'm the most pro-Israel guy you can find and was scratching my head the whole video. If that's all they have to show, I would have waited until I had more to show anything at all. Even if everything had been in place for years, with not a single bug-out bag tossed in a corner by a terrorist the day before. It still doesn't add up to a substantial military base. It frankly looks like a bunch of shit left around by militants that walked in. I mean it's literally vests and bags. I expect to see the place where all the vests and bags are put together and gotten ready, and I hope we do. That might be impossible, because the tunnels could be too dangerous to go do anything about but blow up.

The other thing that needs to be considered is that Israel gave Hamas an extreme amount of time and warning. They had, relatively speaking, forever to prepare and move their stuff. I would expect most of the goods to be underground anyway, and anything that wasn't to be moved in a real hurry. Should that be the case, I don't think showing some bags/vests in a hospital with "see? told you!" is the PR move.

The thing is about PR war is that as long as Israel wins - nothing of it will matter.

 

[jason10mm]

The blood on her dress initially made me wonder if she is condemning Israel (they have blood on their hands) versus supporting it (Israel is bleeding). I'm sure some of the folks driving past honking thought the same.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The blood on her dress initially made me wonder if she is condemning Israel (they have blood on their hands) versus supporting it (Israel is bleeding). I'm sure some of the folks driving past honking thought the same.

It weeds out the cognitive dissonance, yes.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Dead, because it's so fucking true. Zero self-awareness.

 

[ADiTAR]

 

[Woggleman]

Out of curiosity I read that Bin Laden thing and it is incredible how much he sounds like a modern social justice type. The social justice types will say that all members of a so called oppressor are complicit in oppression even if they are not actively doing it is the same kind of logic he uses for attacking Americans. He even uses the word complicit a number of times.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Out of curiosity I read that Bin Laden thing and it is incredible how much he sounds like a modern social justice type. The social justice types will say that all members of a so called oppressor are complicit in oppression even if they are not actively doing it is the same kind of logic he uses for attacking Americans. He even uses the word complicit a number of times.

It's a wonder those very same types were burning and looting cities from Berkeley for years to the "summer of love™" mostly peaceful rioting. They're being radicalized in schools and online social media echo chambers.

 

[Tomeru]

It's a wonder those very same types were burning and looting cities from Berkeley for years to the "summer of love™" mostly peaceful rioting. They're being radicalized in schools and online social media echo chambers.

The far right is trying to protect the freedom of the far left only to get the farleft to attack the far right. Or something along those lines.

 

[FunkMiller]

Social media is not the world, It never has been. It never will be.

 

[Darkkahn]

So the moron haniyeh just gave a speech, and said that they'll win against Israel.
What an absolute dimwit. He needs to be put out of his misery in Qatar or whatever rathole he has buried himself in.

 

[DeepEnigma]

So the moron haniyeh just gave a speech, and said that they'll win against Israel.
What an absolute dimwit. He needs to be put out of his misery in Qatar or whatever rathole he has buried himself in.

They won't win, but their handlers just got a $10b+ bonus awarded to them by Bidenomics to help keep this going longer than it should.

 

[ADiTAR]

IDF spox just said they found a shaft inside the Al-Shifa hospital, also there was an operation against some of Hamas top brass. I couldn't follow.

 

[DrKeo]

IDF spox just said they found a shaft inside the Al-Shifa hospital, also there was an operation against some of Hamas top brass. I couldn't follow.

And it's important to mention that Al Shifa hospital is a huge complex and the IDF is trying to avoid interaction with the civilians and medical staff so they are going in carefully and slowly. It will take days.

But Handasa soldiers just went in, we will probably see something in the coming hours.

Edit: adding this tweet for context. Check out the thread.

 

[TGO]

Rest in Piss, demons.

It breaks my heart what they did to her.
And the video of them spitting on her body and cheering is sick and evil, especially when you realise only the men in the truck are Hamas Soldiers
makes me want to pick up the Civil Servant like it's 2001 again.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Imagine being born to shoot two civilians, get tapped, scream like a girl and die

 

[DrKeo]

It will probably be published in English soon too, but for the meantime:
Top left - A truck found in the hospital compound, stocked to go into Israel on Oct 7th.
Top right - A shaft leading to the Hamas tunnel system uncovered by a D9 next to the truck. It's inside the hospital compound and next to the hospital's "Qatar Building".
Bottom left - weapons found in the hospital.
Bottom right - weapons found in the truck.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

'Right, you can get the fuck out of my cab!!'

To the point, no fucking about dragging that trash out onto the sidewalk

 

[DeepEnigma]

Imagine being born to shoot two civilians, get tapped, scream like a girl and die

The wisp and the thud. Night night.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Imagine being born to shoot two civilians, get tapped, scream like a girl and die

GG

Rest in Piss

 

[Tajaz2426]

The wisp and the thud. Night night.

You’d be surprised what they say and how they scream when we would hunt them and corner them. They ask for forgiveness, they say they will give their God up if we let them go, then they wouldn’t make sounds again.

They are true cowards that use women and children as shields and kill their own.

 

[BlackTron]

You’d be surprised what they say and how they scream when we would hunt them and corner them. They ask for forgiveness, they say they will give their God up if we let them go, then they wouldn’t make sounds again.

They are true cowards that use women in children as shields and kill their own.

 

[tommib]

If the Hamas headquarters at the hospital end up being a nothingburger this is going to be the weapons of mass destruction of Israel. They had all these fancy CGI animations about the underground facilities. They need to show video proof fast.

 

[Doomtrain]

How is this burden constantly on Israel? No one has ever demanded Hamas show proof of *anything* regarding 10/7.

 

[tommib]

How is this burden constantly on Israel? No one has ever demanded Hamas show proof of *anything* regarding 10/7.

Hospitals have special protection under international law. Disrupting a hospital during war means an automatic gigantic number of casualties with no way to treat injured people.

 

[tommib]

How is this burden constantly on Israel? No one has ever demanded Hamas show proof of *anything* regarding 10/7.

What is there to demand? They committed the biggest terrorist attack the world has seen filmed with go pro cameras. I don’t understand the question.

 

[Doomtrain]

Hospitals have special protection under international law. Disrupting a hospital during war means an automatic gigantic number of casualties with no way to treat injured people.

This actually answers my question.

Regarding the second part, I’m just frustrated overall that every single thing Israel does gets put under a microscope, but it seems like Hamas gets to act with impunity and huge swaths of the media give them a free pass.

 

[tommib]

This actually answers my question.

Regarding the second part, I’m just frustrated overall that every single thing Israel does gets put under a microscope, but it seems like Hamas gets to act with impunity and huge swaths of the media give them a free pass.

I get what you mean. Hamas is a terrorist organisation and I think the whole world just expects hell on earth from them - except Corbyn.

Everything Israel has done up to now has just been a self-defense response to a war that Israel didn’t start. It’s just that the hospital situation is particularly sensitive with the amount of injured and sick people that can’t be treated and are just dying.

Israel has some of the best intelligence services of the world. They just can’t fail with the assumption that the headquarters are there.