I made my post knowing all of that.
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Bolivia declares Israel a terrorist state
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I made my post knowing all of that.
StopMakingSense
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Ethnic cleansing is more of a catch-all term that includes genocide.
Gentleman Jack
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'proven' to be edited together from separate quotes taken out of context and slapped onto a meme image, yes.
But I could swear that even in context the latter half of the quote is a chilling endorsement of collective punishment on a civilian population.
Whitechocolatekrispies
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For example. What is happening all over the Middle East. From ISIS in Iraq, to homosexuals in Iran, to the Christians in Pakistan, to the christians in the Sudan, back to ISIS with the Shiites, then right over to homosexuals and adulterers, then back to ISIS ... then some more shiites ...
Obviously, and what's happening in the region clearly doesn't apply to Israel's incompetent and heavy-handed brutality.
m_shortpants
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As if this makes what Israel is doing any more acceptable. Whataboutism deflection. Classic fallacy.
Okay, well when the Palestinian people and nation have been wiped from the face of the earth hopefully you'll come around.
~1,200 lives taken in the space of a couple of weeks? Homes, mosques, and hospitals destroyed, nowhere safe to hide or flee, neutral parties like the UN targeted along with Palestinian civilians.
"Not terrorism! Not ethnic cleansing! Harsh language!"
Fucking hilarious. The palestinian people are absolutely the victims of Israel's brutality, they are not the victims of ethnic cleansing. You want to conflate the two as being the same? Go ahead, but all that does is trivialize real events.
Whitechocolatekrispies
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Hahaha. Where was I defending Israel? You people, you see Israeli Appologists in the shadows, got to jump at even the slightest hint of non-Israeli hate posts?
Grow up.
shinobi602
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Even taken separately the sentences are bone chilling and eye opening.
That's not genocide. That's why it's hilarious.
manfestival
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Thats not genocide... not sure you know what genocide is.
m_shortpants
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Please, your intention was clear enough.
Whitechocolatekrispies
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Hahaha really?
AstroNut325
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Based on my understanding of the history and the recent events... yes. I hope more countries take a stand.
postcyberpunk
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lol Like that means anything. People still think the Protocols of Zion is real.
Fenderputty
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What? This post ignores Israel's expansion. I almost confused it for a joke post. Israel's aggression is not only because of Hamas's existence. Talk about being disengenuous.
What they are doing is genocide. Their civilian kill rate is 80%.
80%
Those maps show Israel's intent and actions to wipe Palestinians, which you bolded and laughed at.
He was differentiating one type of violence from others.
You keep posting things that are definitively not genocide, it's worth laughing at. What happened with the Tutsis and Kurds was genocide, this is a brutal invasion and occupation.
Israel's current aggression is both the fault of Israel and Hamas as I've already said.
You don't need to be the fictionalized version of Saddam's Iraq to be considered terrorist though
You don't know what genocide is my friend.
You don't know what genocide is my friend.
As you are a friend, ill let you know you are upsetting Penelope Cruz.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...ning-israel-for-genocide-in-gaza-9637188.html
Those maps are misleading, and aren't ethnographical.
You found a celebrity that mis-uses the same word.
Fenderputty
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So where's the breakpoint? 10k population moved? 50k? More?
You seem to be setting some arbitrary number to what you feel justifies calling a scenario "ethnic cleansing"
In reality the only person who's trivializing the term is you.
Quick, someone get Ja Rule on the phone!
Numbers are irrelevant to whether or not something is ethnic cleansing, targeting an ethnicity would make it so which isn't what's happening.
Easily worth it. I can eat fried chicken and still get married.
Terrorism is a term that defines the method, not the end goal.
gutter_trash
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40% of present Gaza strip has been taken over by the IDF forcing the population northward,
push anymore north and people will be forced into the sea
push anymore north and people will be forced into the sea
Fenderputty
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I clearly said expansion. Hamas isn't to blame for lands Israel has decided to take.
metalslimer
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At the very least Israel certainly are using terror tactics. Also as much as I despise the current way Israel is behaving can we not use the word genocide where it doesn't belong?
manfestival
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Glad to know the real experts on war were able to step in and give their opinions on this. I can't wait for Kanye West and Britney spears to step in and do the same!
smh
Fenderputty
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Obviously.
Oh god.....not this picture again.
These pictures and random edited internet quotes do nothing but mislead people who don't know any better.
Here are the things wrong with that picture:
- First picture Falsely labels the Green land as Palestine. There was no Palestine, that land belonged to the British so what it should say in Green is British Empire Colony.
- Second picture shows what the UN plan was which was rejected by the Arab League which lead to the 1948 war which lead to the third picture that shows the Green incorrect again. Gaza should be labeled as Egypt and West Bank should be labled as Jordan because they took those territories after invading it to better attack Israel soon after it's formation.
But hey who cares about accuracy. A quick propaganda picture is far more effective then learning history.
^Land occupied under war, despite what the Israelis would like, does not stay as land of the occupier.
Those maps are accurate. I posted the video to verify as I knew it is a common claim by Israeli defenders that they are misleading when that's rubbish.
The celebrities and hundreds of thousands around the world that have been chanting it the last few days just had to read the news to see the number and kind of atrocities committed against people already oppressed.
Those maps are accurate. I posted the video to verify as I knew it is a common claim by Israeli defenders that they are misleading when that's rubbish.
The celebrities and hundreds of thousands around the world that have been chanting it the last few days just had to read the news to see the number and kind of atrocities committed against people already oppressed.
Note: Palestinians in Gaza are legally and practically forbidden from leaving Gaza even in the best of times. Ideally l Israel is bombing the duck out of them *and* forcing them to stay. I think the last estimate I saw suggested that half if not more of the Gaza strip has been rendered uninhabitable or placed in the expanded no man's land of 3km at the Gaza-Israel border. And that was before blowing up their power pant.
Whatever you call what's going on right now, it's awful and blatantly disproportionate by any reasonable measure, and the negative consequences for the civilians of Gaza will last much much longer than this conflict.
Whitechocolatekrispies
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Interestingly countries that have actually committed genocide ... have received probably less than a 1% of the outrage and attack Israel has received.
Really makes you wonder if Israel did just 'bulldoze' them into the sea, whether after the initial 'omg you murders' there would be any lasting impact ... most other countries that have committed documented genocide just omit it from their text books and pretend it never happened.
Really makes you wonder if Israel did just 'bulldoze' them into the sea, whether after the initial 'omg you murders' there would be any lasting impact ... most other countries that have committed documented genocide just omit it from their text books and pretend it never happened.
Fenderputty
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So then what wax the point of your original post? The impact of your post was from the 800k people in a short time being moved / murdered.
People are tossing the term around because Israelies are killing Muslims and displacing them. If it's not a form of ethnic cleansing, maybe you could elaborate more.
Khmer Rouge
The point wasn't the number of people, the point was Rwandans dragging out other Rwandans for slaughter for being an ethnicity. There isn't anything analogous to this happening in the current conflict.
That's their claim. Their actions demonstrate they want to take out a whole lot more than that.
As long as they keep targeting civilians and saying 'oops, our bad!' every time they do (in some pathetic attempt to make people think it's not an intentional act), I'll continue to not believe them.
I hate bullies, and Israel is one of the biggest of them all (no doubt emboldened by their support from an arguably bigger one...), and like Bolivia says, Israel is fitting the definition of 'terrorists' quite nicely (of course, so is Hamas -- both sides are in the wrong here, but the civilians of only one side of the conflict are in any actual danger.)
because they keep putting weapons in them? power plants have always been legal targets.
Nope, Egypt and Jordan are. Hamas is to blame for a fear and distrust of the community in Gaza and West Bank because they chose to resolve their grievences with suicide bombings, kidnapping and the declaration of wanting to kill all Jews. Then the people of Gaza voted these guys into office.
The difference is bub, the taxpayers in the US and the EU aren't paying for those other situations, with the arguable exception of Iraq (and it wasn't like Iraq didn't raise the ire of significant numbers of people in the West either). The US pays for Israeli's military might, and the EU, US and Japan basically fund the imprisonment of the Palestinians. That's why people in the West get up in arms over it, we're effing funding it and continue to do so.
m_shortpants
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I doubt it, so you're probably right. As it stands only a handful of South American countries have had anything to say about this. I doubt the US, the EU, or the UN would do much other than a few words.
Brazil Condemns Israeli Offensive in Gaza, Recalls Ambassador
The result being that the conservative media is now heavily favouring Israel in its reporting because of the elections in 3 months. I find it very hard to take sides in the Israel-Palestine conflict, but the way the local media has been using it is frankly disgusting. Not sure why I'm surprised, though.
Obama asked for a ceasefire while restocking Israel's bombs.
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Good job Obama
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