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Hamas terrorists infiltrated Israel. 1400+ killed, 2400+ wounded, 240+ abducted. Israel declares war
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Liljagare
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RuSSkie trolls, don't fall for too much of it.
They are pretty much all over US social media now in force, again, and manage to manipulate. Students/schools are easy targets, then the parents get upset, then the ball is rolling.
The western world is under a major attack through propaganda, and not too many see it.
It's a destabilizition protocol known far and well from the Nazi playbook.
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Trunx81
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You sure about that?
Why are the US tolerating this? Someone had to arrange this. Some parents are sitting there with their kids.
efyu_lemonardo
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If there is a legal way to make such charges stick to the students and faculty in question, while sending a clear message that cannot be spinned and used against the government, absolutely! As a matter of principle I'm entirely behind it. My concerns are entirely related to the perception.
NinjaMouse
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EDIT: nvm...
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efyu_lemonardo
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UNRWA schools are opening western branches
This stuff can be resolved quickly.
First, anyone on a visa seen acting out in these "mostly peaceful" hate speech events is gone tomorrow. And by gone, I mean deported back to their home country.
Second, any students who are citizens get their financial aid and scholarships immediately revoked for misconduct. Then any student loans come due immediately, no grace period or payment referrals.
See how much these pukes want talk about killing jews then.
First, anyone on a visa seen acting out in these "mostly peaceful" hate speech events is gone tomorrow. And by gone, I mean deported back to their home country.
Second, any students who are citizens get their financial aid and scholarships immediately revoked for misconduct. Then any student loans come due immediately, no grace period or payment referrals.
See how much these pukes want talk about killing jews then.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
It's because universities are all leftist and it's very popular on the left to despise Israel. So they get away with it.
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Portugeezer
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Not just that.
Anyone who is seen glorifying and supporting Hamas gets put on a no-fly list. Let’s see how many are keen to protest when they’re stuck to road trips for the foreseeable future.
Delta et al wouldn’t let anyone with vocal Al-Qaeda or ISIS sympathies fly. Hamas has been designated as a terrorist group in the United States since 1997. That’s the law of the land. Why are Hamas supporters treated differently?
Work up the nerve to make a bold decision. Expel, travel bans, restrict scholarships etc.
Wastelander92
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All Jewish students should get full refunds from the universities.
Dirk Benedict
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*looks around*
Are WE SURE we aren't living in some obscure movie plot that people usually check out, only after they've exhausted all of their other options?
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Hero of Spielberg
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The fuckheads in the student union at Sydney Uni were dancing on tables and celebrating Oct 7. They’re filthIt's spreading to some campuses here in Australia too.
University of Sydney is my alma mater from way back when, and now it's becoming increasingly infested with these knobheads.
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Lord Panda
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WTF. Abhorrent pieces of shit.
efyu_lemonardo
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I made a few attempts to communicate with some of the NY students via social media. My curiosity was just too strong, I had to see what they were thinking and how much sense there was behind it, if any.
Some, as expected, were immediately hateful and ignorant.
Some were confused, to say the least, but meant well.
And rarely I came across some that actually knew what they were talking about and had valid criticisms, not just of this war, but of western foreign policy in the middle east and elsewhere over the last century. And also valid criticism of fanatical Judaism and of Israeli governments.
These attempts felt like a good analogy to the chaos of combat during war: where the loudest and most radicalized are responsible for the most collateral damage and confusion.
War is like a strange kind of communication between two different world views, a conversation with an incredibly low signal to noise ratio, which can quickly deteriorate into full blown white noise. Chaos is the inevitable outcome.
Ultimately I was left with a couple of valid new perspectives to contemplate, so I'd call this experiment a success.
Some, as expected, were immediately hateful and ignorant.
Some were confused, to say the least, but meant well.
And rarely I came across some that actually knew what they were talking about and had valid criticisms, not just of this war, but of western foreign policy in the middle east and elsewhere over the last century. And also valid criticism of fanatical Judaism and of Israeli governments.
These attempts felt like a good analogy to the chaos of combat during war: where the loudest and most radicalized are responsible for the most collateral damage and confusion.
War is like a strange kind of communication between two different world views, a conversation with an incredibly low signal to noise ratio, which can quickly deteriorate into full blown white noise. Chaos is the inevitable outcome.
Ultimately I was left with a couple of valid new perspectives to contemplate, so I'd call this experiment a success.
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Jsisto
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I’m sorry but this is no different than any other anti war protest. Anti war protests happening at college campuses are as old as….college campuses. To be clear, yes, there are some people attending these protests that have insane, objectionable views, but it’s always been this way when you get a large number of people together. The loudest, most extreme voices are going to stand out and those with an agenda are going to put a megaphone on those in an effort to delegitimize the entire thing. I don’t see why this is so hard to understand.
If some of you truly believe this entire thing, or even a large portion of it, is about Jew hating…I really don’t know what to tell you. You’re choosing to see what you want to see. A large number of these students ARE Jews that want a peaceful resolution and I seriously doubt theres anyone other than the most extreme, insane people that support what happened on October 7th. Unless you’re actually there and can report on what the majority of students think, you’re just sharing select footage that often lacks context….or kids that maybe aren’t that educated going because their friends are.
Im sure someone will follow this up with a video of someone saying “death to Jews” as if to prove me wrong, not realizing they’re actually proving my point. Whatever. There’s a reason I’m at GAF and not the other place. We largely tend to look at things objectively and not get swept up in culture war nonsense, but clearly we’re not immune to it. If this is a problem, please thread ban me, but I feel like some people need to take their blinders off. Not everything is so black and white.
If some of you truly believe this entire thing, or even a large portion of it, is about Jew hating…I really don’t know what to tell you. You’re choosing to see what you want to see. A large number of these students ARE Jews that want a peaceful resolution and I seriously doubt theres anyone other than the most extreme, insane people that support what happened on October 7th. Unless you’re actually there and can report on what the majority of students think, you’re just sharing select footage that often lacks context….or kids that maybe aren’t that educated going because their friends are.
Im sure someone will follow this up with a video of someone saying “death to Jews” as if to prove me wrong, not realizing they’re actually proving my point. Whatever. There’s a reason I’m at GAF and not the other place. We largely tend to look at things objectively and not get swept up in culture war nonsense, but clearly we’re not immune to it. If this is a problem, please thread ban me, but I feel like some people need to take their blinders off. Not everything is so black and white.
DragoonKain
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I've seen Bill Maher and others talk about how these protests don't help your cause. He eluded to something that I've believed for a while. Most of these people don't even care about the cause. This is all about power. You have a bunch of degenerates who get off on annoying other people and no one being able to do anything about it. I usually don't like to generalize, but the people I've seen in the majority of these protests fit a certain profile of person. They look like the same types you saw in 2020 in Seattle who went around smashing windows. Masks(always masked), ratty clothes, unkempt, dirty, etc. Most of these people are probably unemployed, have very few friends, are outcasts and want to feel powerful for once in their life. What better way to do it than occupy spaces that are important to other people. Bridges, highways, campuses, etc. What better way for a loser who's always felt like a loser their whole life to feel like a winner than have an entire highway of people at your whim? And get to control who gets to work on time and what ambulance gets to the hospital on time?
I cringe for the level of parenting out there that produced kids like this. No well raised kid grows up to act this way. Anyway, children need to be disciplined and I'm glad schools and law enforcement are doing just that.
I cringe for the level of parenting out there that produced kids like this. No well raised kid grows up to act this way. Anyway, children need to be disciplined and I'm glad schools and law enforcement are doing just that.
That trooper needs a fitness gym sponsorship ASAP!!!!
Bet damn near all the ladies at the protest got a bit moist seeing a man at work like that
LordOfChaos
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Sometimes I just have to chuckle at the chaos
Looked like about 10 loonies chanting, almost as many police, and one guy just stating what a book says.
Damn England, remember when you guys usta fight big world powers? Now yah struggling against a couple of crackpots!
Why is the guy at the end shouting 'how old was, Joseph'? Has he not heard of.....checks notes.....VIRGIN Mary?
LordOfChaos
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Tbh virgin births seemed to dry up with the advent of pat tests
I wonder what all of the dudes who wrote down some ancient scribbles would think if they could be made to see the the sum total of every conflict, every death, every murder, every war committed in the name of the religions they created, how far after they still hold the world in such a vice grip even with no further signs or miracles for thousands of years
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winjer
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Funny how the "religion of peace" always responds with violence.
Even when someone just quotes their own religious books.
LordOfChaos
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“You’re better than him! You’re better than him!”
Aka "There's lots of cameras and a heavy police presence, chill!"
IDKFA
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Lol. That guy at the end of the video saying "how old was Joseph" like it's some kind of own.
Joseph, Mary and Jesus are in the Quran and part of the Islamic faith.
Toons
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I think you need to do some research on history of college based war protests before making sweeping generalizations like this.
Theres a long and storied history of it and simplification of this level does no justice to the conversation.
Especially when we've seen just as many rich and powerful taking a similar stance to these ones but doing so from the comfort of their high rises, and after we ALSO had plenty people of a very different demographic causing riots of their own in 2021. Thats a defense per se of any of them. But generalizations ALWAYS reveal more about the one slinging them than the ones their being sling at.
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ThatStupidLion
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it's really eye opening how the narratives have changed from oct 7 to today.
pretty disgusting
pretty disgusting
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I didn't say it was everyone. But from what I've seen anecdotally, I believe the majority of them fit the bill that I described. I'm not 100% sure, I don't think there's any way of knowing that for sure. But I say that with relative confidence.
And yes, it's a bit of a generalization, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Doesn't mean I'm right either. It's either a true statement or not, which is in all likelihood impossible to discern. Though I will never have regrets sharing any opinions I have and calling it how I see it.
StueyDuck
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I'm surprised parents sit there and see their kids acting like rtards at these ludicrously expensive tertiary institutions and don't instantly phone their kid to see if they are studying or acting like a turtle and then just pull them from their studies.
While my parents gave me leeway at university to have fun and what not if they'd gotten a call that my studies were taking a hit then they would have just pulled the plug there, I'm sure they would of had plenty of ideas to use that money for themselves.
And there's not a chance you can be an extremist rebel protestor at uni for literally everything woke every 5 minutes without it tanking your education.
While my parents gave me leeway at university to have fun and what not if they'd gotten a call that my studies were taking a hit then they would have just pulled the plug there, I'm sure they would of had plenty of ideas to use that money for themselves.
And there's not a chance you can be an extremist rebel protestor at uni for literally everything woke every 5 minutes without it tanking your education.
Toons
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That's kinda the problem with generalizations. They seek the agency to make observations without the accountability of those observations being correct or incorrect. They substitute accuracy and nuance for convenience.
Many of these protestors are also making generalizations. Generalizations about jews, about Israel and itd supporters, and about Gaza. Many pro Israel people fall into the trap of making generalizations about Muslims about Palestine etc all the same.
Theres nothing simplified about this conflict; and there's nothing simple about the global response to it. But I will say this. Historically, in every country, in every era, of every people, when you see folks going onto the streets and staging riots, protests, what have you, those aren't the ones with power. People with power don't have to do that to get what they want.
Its usually the poorest class, with the least economic influence and the lowest prospects, and there's often little to no organization or name leadership. and thats often why itd so often subject to bad actors and grifters regardless of what the root cause is.
Dr. Claus
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You are 100% right.
efyu_lemonardo
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And folks wonder why people poo-poo liberal arts so much.....imagine an engineering professor saying "screw the final project, everyone gets a good grade, results don't matter much anyway....just don't build any bridges near where I live".
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I'm talking specifically about people blocking traffic and purposely breaking laws and/or being a societal annoyance. Not people peacefully and legally marching down the street or picketing peacefully in a public place. I believe one's behavior and how they conduct themselves gives insight into the type of person they are. I don't think assuming that a protestor who blocks traffic on a bridge are the things I described above is any more out of bounds than me assuming the stranger who goes around the playground asking little kids if they want to give him a hug is probably a pervert.
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StreetsofBeige
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That libs for ya.
But it goes hand and hand so it’s kind of expected. Sci, math, med, law etc… require high marks, studious kids and profs who know what they are doing.
Lib programs are for students who want to be teachers, or couldn’t figure what they want to do in life or it was the last gasp faculty to get in with the lowest marks needed to scrape in. So you pretty much get students and profs with the same mindset. As a business major I had to take some mandatory psych and sociology courses in year one. The biggest joke classes I had in my first year.
On a side note: one of the coolest class I took in business was Retail. It taught all the shit you don’t really think about but makes sense strategically like how to organize store layouts, shelf spots, calculate margins, set prices and shit like that.
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LordOfChaos
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DaciaJC
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Their so-called "prophet" was a warmonger, slave trader, lecher, and child rapist. Why is anyone surprised that his devotees react so violently upon hearing the truth, or indeed that so many of them continue to follow his perverted example 1400 years later?
Hell, just look at Hamas. As an organization, they are formally devoted to the obliteration of the Jewish state of Israel. What historical precedent could possibly inform this genocidal mania? None other than Mohammad himself, who - after his claim to prophethood was rejected by most Jews then living in Arabia - set about massacring entire tribes of them. The entire existence of Islam has been one of hatred and violence.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Jinzo Prime
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Embearded
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I feel for the few students having gone in debt and can't go on with their studies because some assholes have taken over he universities.
It's ok to raise awareness about something you feel its problematic. Give away leaflets, go around asking people if its ok to talk to them.
It's fucking pathetic when you pretend to be some kind of moral higher being, telling people how they should live their lives and what to stand for, while you are ignoring thousands of other problems, going on for decades and you are in fact a part of the problem when you buy shit that are done under slave conditions so it comes cheap to you.
These people deserve a punch in the face.
It's ok to raise awareness about something you feel its problematic. Give away leaflets, go around asking people if its ok to talk to them.
It's fucking pathetic when you pretend to be some kind of moral higher being, telling people how they should live their lives and what to stand for, while you are ignoring thousands of other problems, going on for decades and you are in fact a part of the problem when you buy shit that are done under slave conditions so it comes cheap to you.
These people deserve a punch in the face.
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