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[DragoonKain]

Going to disagree with a lot of your points here.



TV is a different medium than a game, but I think you're misremembering how long they sit on Jackson after the events. I also think you're discounting scenes here that happen like Ellie waking up in the hospital or her obvious drive to get out of the hospital as quickly as possible. As well as the scene between Ellie and Tommy before they take things to a vote.



They retooled the scene, but it's still in this episode and almost word for word... So again, think you're misremembering. The town hall scene is actually way more realistic. Why would these two girls try to leave on their own rather than get help. In fact they try to get help in the game too, but Maria says no. Here instead of putting that all on Maria, it's the majority of the council. It'll be interesting if they show that Jesse and Tommy were 2 of the 3 that said yes, but Maria almost certainly was a no.




As soon as they gave Tommy a kid, you knew him leaving was going to be different. I don't think it makes much of a difference whether he leaves first or second. Him leaving second actually makes more sense because he has to weigh both Ellie and taking care of his own kid here. The dust up between him and Maria is probably going to be heavier here.



This is a misnomer. The trip to Seattle in the game also takes no time. You open on Seattle Day 1....


I think you're misremembering the game a bit and getting upset about changes being bigger than they are.

You make fair points, but I stand by the time jump sucking a lot of the emotion out of it. In the game they talk much sooner than in the show and it's such a simple but powerful scene.

Just watch it and tell me the show even came close to capturing that emotion in the same conversation.



You see how despondent Ellie is and how dead set on revenge she is. Logically it would make more sense for her to try to get a party to go, she's so driven by pain and rage she doesn't care. She's willing to go by herself. It's what I loved about that scene. Her brashness and foolishness is indicative of her pain and suffering. And we see how hurt Tommy is in that scene too. I think he moved on far too quickly in the show. The show had the opportunity to really flesh it out more and show us more of the town and how Joel's death impacted them and we didn't get it. I was disappointed in that.

I will be less upset about the Tommy not leaving thing as long as he does. But I still think it was done better in the game because in the game he didn't just leave to get revenge. He left because Ellie's words impacted him. They really hit him where it hurts and he left not just out of anger but also out of guilt and shame. It made his character more nuanced. If he leaves in the show I have a feeling it will just be "He's worried about Ellie so he's going after her" which feels a lot more typical and less conflicted.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

You make fair points, but I stand by the time jump sucking a lot of the emotion out of it. In the game they talk much sooner than in the show and it's such a simple but powerful scene.

Just watch it and tell me the show even came close to capturing that emotion in the same conversation.



You see how despondent Ellie is and how dead set on revenge she is. Logically it would make more sense for her to try to get a party to go, she's so driven by pain and rage she doesn't care. She's willing to go by herself. It's what I loved about that scene. Her brashness and foolishness is indicative of her pain and suffering. And we see how hurt Tommy is in that scene too. I think he moved on far too quickly in the show. The show had the opportunity to really flesh it out more and show us more of the town and how Joel's death impacted them and we didn't get it. I was disappointed in that.

I will be less upset about the Tommy not leaving thing as long as he does. But I still think it was done better in the game because in the game he didn't just leave to get revenge. He left because Ellie's words impacted him. They really hit him where it hurts and he left not just out of anger but also out of guilt and shame. It made his character more nuanced. If he leaves in the show I have a feeling it will just be "He's worried about Ellie so he's going after her" which feels a lot more typical and less conflicted.

I don't disagree with you. I think the game is 9 times out of 10 much better executed than the show. The line delivery e.t.c. but one thing I think we need to keep in mind with that is that you basically have unlimited takes when working on the game. So much has to be perfect in the scene to move forward with the scene, the lighting, the positioning of the body, the facial expressions, the line delivery, all of it.

It makes it worse when you're trying to recreate the scenes from the game that were already pretty much perfect.

I just don't think that the changes have been terrible, though I would agree that it's not a perfect adaptation, but it was never going to be.

I promise you that Tommy is going to leave. They showed the scope on his rifle in the first episode for a reason. The conflict of him leaving will be that he is leaving behind his son. I think Ellie's words impacted him here too, but I think he'll be determined not to let Joel lose another daughter. The scene with him saying give Sarah my love is what sits home with me to that point. He probably feels like he failed Joel in that time and won't do it again.

 

[DragoonKain]

I don't disagree with you. I think the game is 9 times out of 10 much better executed than the show. The line delivery e.t.c. but one thing I think we need to keep in mind with that is that you basically have unlimited takes when working on the game. So much has to be perfect in the scene to move forward with the scene, the lighting, the positioning of the body, the facial expressions, the line delivery, all of it.

It makes it worse when you're trying to recreate the scenes from the game that were already pretty much perfect.

I just don't think that the changes have been terrible, though I would agree that it's not a perfect adaptation, but it was never going to be.

I promise you that Tommy is going to leave. They showed the scope on his rifle in the first episode for a reason. The conflict of him leaving will be that he is leaving behind his son. I think Ellie's words impacted him here too, but I think he'll be determined not to let Joel lose another daughter. The scene with him saying give Sarah my love is what sits home with me to that point. He probably feels like he failed Joel in that time and won't do it again.

I really don't understand the point of the time jump. Or rather when they decided to have it. I think it was to make it spring so they could leave without there being snow on the ground. But they could have done the time jump after. In fact, having Ellie in the hospital felt like it was forced in to lead right into a time jump. What was she in the hospital for 3 months for? Broken ribs? She got kicked in the side. You don't spend 3 months in a hospital for broken ribs. I've read stories about people being stabbed 20 times who've spent less time in the hospital than that. Or who've been shot multiple times. 3 months is a long fucking time. That didn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I think it would have been far better if they showed the immediate aftermath, had the scene with Ellie and Tommy then. And then wrote in a way for Ellie not to leave until winter is over. Like instead of Tommy promising her he'll talk to Maria, Tommy promising her that once they help clean up the town and bury the dead, then he'll try and get her support to leave for revenge. That would have been believable because the people in that town mean something to Ellie. So you could've had the time jump then, and then to the town hall thing.

But jumping right to it immediately I thought was a terrible choice. Not giving us the immediate aftermath of many of the characters of Joel's death was such a bad choice IMO.

 

[GooseMan69]

The show is solid and everyone involved is clearly trying their best to do right by the source material. I just think Part II is a story that embraces and utilizes the video game medium far more than Part I, so adapting it to TV has provided mixed results. The game feels so visceral and emotionally raw and I think the show is struggling to reach those same feelings.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I really don't understand the point of the time jump. Or rather when they decided to have it. I think it was to make it spring so they could leave without there being snow on the ground. But they could have done the time jump after. In fact, having Ellie in the hospital felt like it was forced in to lead right into a time jump. What was she in the hospital for 3 months for? Broken ribs? She got kicked in the side. You don't spend 3 months in a hospital for broken ribs. I've read stories about people being stabbed 20 times who've spent less time in the hospital than that. Or who've been shot multiple times. 3 months is a long fucking time. That didn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

They wanted to show a physical change in Ellie where Ellie appears older. You can see that her hair is much longer now and she resembles more of the game version than she did in the previous episode.

She probably had several fractured ribs to the point where it was impacting her breathing and then they probably kept her at the hospital longer than necessary to give her time to calm down. She mentioned she was doing situps and pushups during this time, so she didn't need to be in the hospital the full amount of time.

I think it would have been far better if they showed the immediate aftermath, had the scene with Ellie and Tommy then. And then wrote in a way for Ellie not to leave until winter is over. Like instead of Tommy promising her he'll talk to Maria, Tommy promising her that once they help clean up the town and bury the dead, then he'll try and get her support to leave for revenge. That would have been believable because the people in that town mean something to Ellie. So you could've had the time jump then, and then to the town hall thing.

They planned the time jump when they decided to have her kicked in the stomach instead of just knocked out like in the game. If she were capable, what realistically would have kept her from leaving earlier? Dina would have had no excuse not to tell her about the WLF and Abby. I think you're hanging on too tightly to a lack of a time jump to see that no time jump makes things flow significantly worse.

But jumping right to it immediately I thought was a terrible choice. Not giving us the immediate aftermath of many of the characters of Joel's death was such a bad choice IMO.

I'm not sure that's true. We still have Ellie's immediate reactions as well as Tommy's. Who else did we need exactly?

 

[Neff]

I like the changes. I don't want a 1:1 of a game I played five years ago. Sometimes it's better, sometimes it's not, but it feels fresh which is appreciated.

I just think Part II is a story that embraces and utilizes the video game medium far more than Part I, so adapting it to TV has provided mixed results.

Good point, the game had all the time in the world to jump backwards and forwards drip feeding context to enrich the story, a TV show doesn't have that luxury, meaning they're having to let lots of cats out of lots of bags quite early. It's never going to be as effective, but I'm still digging it.

 

[DragoonKain]

They wanted to show a physical change in Ellie where Ellie appears older. You can see that her hair is much longer now and she resembles more of the game version than she did in the previous episode.

She probably had several fractured ribs to the point where it was impacting her breathing and then they probably kept her at the hospital longer than necessary to give her time to calm down. She mentioned she was doing situps and pushups during this time, so she didn't need to be in the hospital the full amount of time.



They planned the time jump when they decided to have her kicked in the stomach instead of just knocked out like in the game. If she were capable, what realistically would have kept her from leaving earlier? Dina would have had no excuse not to tell her about the WLF and Abby. I think you're hanging on too tightly to a lack of a time jump to see that no time jump makes things flow significantly worse.



I'm not sure that's true. We still have Ellie's immediate reactions as well as Tommy's. Who else did we need exactly?

I wanted more from Tommy, some more from Ellie, and seeing what Dina and Maria felt at least. Especially given in the show they gave us their relationship with Joel I think it was important to show how it impacted them in the immediate as sort of a follow up. If they gave us the scenes with Joel and those characters in episode 1 and 2 I think they should have done the courtesy to show them after he died.

 

[Represent.]

Again, folks, stop expecting a 1:1 remake of the show. Actors interpret scripts differently.

My fav addition to the show was showing the fucking entire group of Scars wiped out entirely, kid and all. Thats the classic TLOU 2 darkness I was waiting on.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I wanted more from Tommy, some more from Ellie, and seeing what Dina and Maria felt at least. Especially given in the show they gave us their relationship with Joel I think it was important to show how it impacted them in the immediate as sort of a follow up. If they gave us the scenes with Joel and those characters in episode 1 and 2 I think they should have done the courtesy to show them after he died.

You have to balance the episode. You can't have a full episode of grief in a 7 episode season. You just can't.

They needed to get to Seattle by the end of the episode.

We get to see what Dina felt... she explicitly tells Ellie, "I loved him too."

Maria was never close to Joel in the game or the show. In fact she thought of him as a bit of a monster... though she softened a bit over the last 5 years.

I think these scenes happened and more tha enough was given to them. Not sure how you expected more on this AND not getting to Seattle by the end of the episode given you say you felt they rushed the time it took to get there (which they didn't).

Tommy will be in plenty of the show moving forward. There are going to be two more seasons after this (unless the ratings decline and then they'll wrap in 1 more).

We're already near the half way point of this season... That's pretty important.

 

[DragoonKain]

I don't expect a 1:1 remake of the show. I loved episode 2 and praised some of the changes they've made because I thought they made it better. The battle of Jackson was awesome and that didn't happen in the game. Tommy being in Jackson was fine with me, that didn't happen in the game.

But I'll criticize the show if I think some of the major story beats aren't executed as well. It's not that episode 3 made changes, it's the fact that I don't think the changes they made worked. Forget about the game entirely. If this was a show not based on a video game and you killed off a main character the episode before in stunning fashion I'd hope you get more than two short scenes showing the impact of that loss. At least give us 10 minutes of the damn episode with some more perspectives.

Anyway, based on the ep 4 preview, Dina finds out about Ellie's immunity next episode I think. And also I think we'll get the guitar flashback with Joel.

 

[Bloody Crow of Cainhurst]

I think this is a case of liking whatever we consumed first. I wouldn't be surprised if people who watched the show first and then played the game would say the opposite.

Watched one of the reaction videos where 4 kids who never played the game were screaming, angry and/or crying while watching the golf scene and the one guy who played the game was stone faced throughout with his arms crossed. He looks at everyone and says "but Manny didn't spit on him! That was in the game and that's what affected me the most. They softened them all up!"

The rest couldn't care less and just ignored him. And then he goes again, "but in the game…"

But they didn't soften ALL the characters up. Abby is more ruthless and less identifiable in the show. Her whole crew doubts her and is uncomfortable during the scene, whereas in the game they supported her more and wanted more revenge than she did. Ellie is also harder edged than in the game, which I think most people don't like. Ellie and Abby in the show aren't sympathetic characters at all, but that's the driving force of TLOU2 the game (while obviously not being everyone's cup of tea). I'm not sure the show continuing is going to be ANYONE's cup of tea.

If I remember correctly, and I'm pretty sure I do, in the game Mel wanted to kill Ellie as well, as a precaution. The entire group was full of psychos except for Owen, who was the only reason Ellie wasn't killed. The tv show Mel was nice enough to sedate Dina, a complete departure from the game. It really lowers the stakes of hunting down the WLF if Abby is the sole impetus for killing Joel.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Season 2 is trash.

Spoiler

Too many changes, why is Tommy's wife black?
Why did they spoil that Abby was going to kill Joel in episode 1?
Why the need to change Joel's death by having Tommy in town under attack by an army of infected?

They altered the plot way too much, imo.

Terrible.

 

[Cakeboxer]

Still trying to get into season 2. Turned off episode 1 the second time yesterday although i enjoyed season 1 overall. Turned on You season 5, got hooked instantly.

 

[AJUMP23]

I watched episode 3 last night, but nothing really happened. They introduce some cult just to get rid of the cult.

 

[Generic]

If I remember correctly, and I'm pretty sure I do, in the game Mel wanted to kill Ellie as well, as a precaution. The entire group was full of psychos except for Owen, who was the only reason Ellie wasn't killed. The tv show Mel was nice enough to sedate Dina, a complete departure from the game. It really lowers the stakes of hunting down the WLF if Abby is the sole impetus for killing Joel.

Druckmann probably wants to make Ellie more unsympathetic. She is going full revenge mode against everyone.

 

[viveks86]

If I remember correctly, and I'm pretty sure I do, in the game Mel wanted to kill Ellie as well, as a precaution. The entire group was full of psychos except for Owen, who was the only reason Ellie wasn't killed. The tv show Mel was nice enough to sedate Dina, a complete departure from the game. It really lowers the stakes of hunting down the WLF if Abby is the sole impetus for killing Joel.

Dina had no idea what Mel did (or didn't do) after sedating her. And Ellie knew even less. Only the viewer knows. As far as Ellie And Dina are concerned, they were all complicit and Mel was just a fucked-up medic that was helping facilitate a gruesome murder. Watching reactions and speaking with non-gamers, it's clear that they have the exact same reaction as the gamers (i.e. let's kill em all), so the emotional core is intact. They are just adding a bit of nuance to the characters, which is actually good, as they are all not coming across as one-note McGuffins and have their own thoughts and reservations about what's going on. Was my biggest complaint with the game as Abby's crew were woefully one dimensional.

 

[DragoonKain]

After mulling on the episode overnight, I think I'm less disappointed by the Tommy and Ellie interaction compared to the game and more disappointed with how chill Tommy was about Joel being killed. And brutally killed. He didn't die via stray gunfire. Tommy has priorities and a family, but it's his brother. What I appreciated about Tommy in the game was how conflicted he was. He wanted to leave for revenge, but he also wanted to stay with Maria and it was tearing him up inside. He wasn't just pained by losing his brother, he was pained by the conflict on what to do. In the show, he's very at peace with everything. I think it's less compelling that way.

 

[VulcanRaven]

I'm not sure how to feel about this episode. The 3 month time skip wasn't needed. It just felt odd to do a big time skip like that after what just happened. They made many unnecessary changes.

 

[MSduderino]

Ya, I don't really get the time skip either. I actually missed it completely until I saw y'all talking about it here.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Season 2 is trash.

Spoiler

Too many changes, why is Tommy's wife black?
Why did they spoil that Abby was going to kill Joel in episode 1?
Why the need to change Joel's death by having Tommy in town under attack by an army of infected?

They altered the plot way too much, imo.

Terrible.

Tommy's wife had the same actor for season 1 too.

 

[TrebleShot]

Not good this episode.
Acting and editing were terrible.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Inside episode 3:

 

[Insane Metal]

Bad episode.

 

[DragoonKain]

Inside episode 3:

She does a good job. It's going to make it tough in season 3 when Ellie abandons her to go finish off Abby and come back and she's gone. given how charismatic and likeable she is.

 

[engstra]

I defintely have some issues with the latest episode such as the timejump and overall handling of the trauma, however I would say this is the best episode of the season yet. I thought the Seraphites and WLF introduction were both cool and quite a lot of beautiful shots of travelling through various landscapes. Last episode was too much generic zombie show for my liking. This felt more grounded and also gave great insight into life of the various factions.

 

[deriks]

Druckmann probably wants to make Ellie more unsympathetic. She is going full revenge mode against everyone.

And we know how this ends

 

[Nocty]

Not good this episode.
Acting and editing were terrible.

yeah, jesus christ, its going down hill already. I am concerned for the more impactful episdoes that are supposed to be coming...

The kid playing Ellie is absolutely awful. If they recast someone more believable it would have gone a long way, the emotional scenes are all deadpan as fuck.

The guy playing Seth is also terribe, that whole scene where he stood up at the council meeting and shouted at everyone was cringe.

I was the first to point out my crits of season one but already it's looking like a masterpiece compared to this.

 

[DragoonKain]

Do you guys think there's any chance they choose not to include the Joel confesses to Ellie what he did at the hospital flashback this season? If they include it, I struggle to think of a good place to squeeze it in. It feels like they already missed the appropriate chance.

 

[Woggleman]

I think they will include the confession scene. It is clear when Ellie was talking to Clair that she was hiding something and that was it.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Do you guys think there's any chance they choose not to include the Joel confesses to Ellie what he did at the hospital flashback this season? If they include it, I struggle to think of a good place to squeeze it in. It feels like they already missed the appropriate chance.

I think clips of that scene can be seen in the trailers.

 

[DragoonKain]

What's the name of Seth's sandwich shop?

Spoiler: Answer

Jersey D*ke's.

 

[m14]

How much USAID funding did this show receive?

 

[ProtoByte]

After mulling on the episode overnight, I think I'm less disappointed by the Tommy and Ellie interaction compared to the game and more disappointed with how chill Tommy was about Joel being killed. And brutally killed. He didn't die via stray gunfire. Tommy has priorities and a family, but it's his brother. What I appreciated about Tommy in the game was how conflicted he was. He wanted to leave for revenge, but he also wanted to stay with Maria and it was tearing him up inside. He wasn't just pained by losing his brother, he was pained by the conflict on what to do. In the show, he's very at peace with everything. I think it's less compelling that way.

The acting and writing in the games is just better in every way.

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

Whenever Bella Ramsay has to shout or talk loud or randomly I might add. It sounds like she has a lisp or like she's spitting. Its very annoying, I put it down at her struggling to maintain the American accent .

At least Dina is hot.

 

[Bloody Crow of Cainhurst]

God, this show sucks so much. None of the events taking place have any sort of gravity to them. Why was the psychiatrist making lighthearted banter with Ellie after Joel died? Why was Ellie entertaining it? I didn't get the sense at all that she was out for blood

 

[Schmendrick]

Made it through episode 3 and it was so bad that I actually skipped ahead several times. If anything the showrunners managed to make the awful writing of the second game even worse.
That the Ellie cast still looks like someone with the wrong number of chromosomes and that she has the acting skills of a potato doesn't help either.

I'll go and rewatch Futurama or something and try to forget this show ever existed.

 

[FrankWza]

Why was the psychiatrist making lighthearted banter with Ellie after Joel died? Why was Ellie entertaining it? I didn't get the sense at all that she was out for blood

I think it's implied unless I missed where the flat out say it but she needs to be cleared by the doc. That's how I took it. They mention later that she was sneaking push-ups or sit-ups during her hospital stay. She was just going to say what she needed so she can get out

 

[Bloody Crow of Cainhurst]

I think it's implied unless I missed where the flat out say it but she needs to be cleared by the doc. That's how I took it. They mention later that she was sneaking push-ups or sit-ups during her hospital stay. She was just going to say what she needed so she can get out

It's the post-apocalypse, but they still have the concept of a psychiatric hold? She could just walk out of there, there are no orderlies to enforce any rules

 

[FrankWza]

It's the post-apocalypse, but they still have the concept of a psychiatric hold? She could just walk out of there, there are no orderlies to enforce any rules

I think it's part of the deal if you are going to live in the community. They have a council and rules/laws I guess. I could be wrong but that's how I took it.
Edit: she was also trying to get votes later on so she wanted to appear level headed and not crazy for revenge

 

[GymWolf]

yeah, jesus christ, its going down hill already. I am concerned for the more impactful episdoes that are supposed to be coming...

The kid playing Ellie is absolutely awful. If they recast someone more believable it would have gone a long way, the emotional scenes are all deadpan as fuck.

The guy playing Seth is also terribe, that whole scene where he stood up at the council meeting and shouted at everyone was cringe.

I was the first to point out my crits of season one but already it's looking like a masterpiece compared to this.

I have no idea how the dude behind a masterpiece like chernobyl fucked up the casting so much.

At this point i'm convinced that forehead was casted just because she was mildy famous from game of thrones.

 

[AJUMP23]

I have no idea how the dude behind a masterpiece like chernobyl fucked up the casting so much.

At this point i'm convinced that forehead was casted just because she was mildy famous from game of thrones.

I thought that was pretty obvious. They were capitalizing on her popularity in GoT. Turns out she was fine when she just needed to yell and act tough, but anything beyond that is too much.

 

[GymWolf]

I thought that was pretty obvious. They were capitalizing on her popularity in GoT. Turns out she was fine when she just needed to yell and act tough, but anything beyond that is too much.

I thought a dude that had pristine acting in chernobyl was more about talent than being tiktok famous when he chose the cast...

 

[AJUMP23]

I thought a dude that had pristine acting in chernobyl was more about talent than being tiktok famous when he chose the cast...

You probably get influences from studio heads and people talking about "oh this person is popular here". I mean they keep putting Pascal in everything and people are tired of him. Sometimes as a lead you have the illusion of power, but you answer to people that dictate certain things to you.

 

[Great Auk]

You probably get influences from studio heads and people talking about "oh this person is popular here". I mean they keep putting Pascal in everything and people are tired of him. Sometimes as a lead you have the illusion of power, but you answer to people that dictate certain things to you.

Pascal can be copy pasted into every roll he plays. Same stupid look and mustache in everything. Then they cast a guy who can't grow a beard to play someone who had a full beard. It's like they do it on purpose just to bust balls.

 

[GymWolf]

You probably get influences from studio heads and people talking about "oh this person is popular here". I mean they keep putting Pascal in everything and people are tired of him. Sometimes as a lead you have the illusion of power, but you answer to people that dictate certain things to you.

But she wasn't even that famous tho, got ended a while ago and she barely did anything after that, and the last 2-3 season left an extremely sour taste and even her death scene was fucking ridicolous so she ended on a sour note.

I would argue that dever has probably as many followers as her on social media, but maybe i'm far off...

Also, pascal is at the very least, a decent actor, she is kinda terrible

 

[Mibu no ookami]

God, this show sucks so much. None of the events taking place have any sort of gravity to them. Why was the psychiatrist making lighthearted banter with Ellie after Joel died? Why was Ellie entertaining it? I didn't get the sense at all that she was out for blood

Doesn't help when you don't pay attention. Maybe you should just drop the show because it's probably not for you.

Why was Gail making light-hearted banter with Ellie? Maybe to try and get her to open up and be honest? Joel didn't die yesterday, he died 3 months ago. Beyond that, it wasn't all that light-hearted. She goes almost directly into not only how she is feeling, but how she left things with Joel, which could exacerbate her behavior because Gail assumes that Ellie is going to feel guilty about how she left things.

Why did they want her to talk to Gail before being released from the hospital? I get it that you don't understand. Gail is getting a sense of whether she'll be a danger to herself or others. Gail doesn't get the answers she's looking for because Ellie knows how to play the game, but there's nothing here for her to hold her either.

Why is Ellie entertaining it? Because she wants to be cleared and rejoin civilization. At this point she doesn't know who/where Abby is, but she still wants to go back to whatever is left of her life. You think they're going to send her on recon or let her do patrols if Gail tells them not to let her?

She doesn't seem like she is out for blood? Did you go to the bathroom immediately after Ellie leaves her hospital room and is in the hallway and her face is shrouded by the lack of light and it's clear that she's not okay and that's she actually pretty fucked up and is absolutely out for blood?

I don't think the show is above criticism, but some of you guys have the worst eye for media and it makes me wonder what exactly you're watching.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Pascal can be copy pasted into every roll he plays. Same stupid look and mustache in everything. Then they cast a guy who can't grow a beard to play someone who had a full beard. It's like they do it on purpose just to bust balls.

Because a beard is a defining character trait of Joel?

LOL... You guys can't be serious.

It's funny that people's idea of a good adaptation is actors who look 1:1 like the characters (whether they can act or not) and lines and scenes that are 1:1 to the game even if they don't play well for tv.

What's even funnier is you know that's not what they're going for so you hate watch the show, so you can complain about it. Like there's so much tv and other media, I wouldn't waste my time watching a show I didn't like when there is so much better stuff to do.

Weird times.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Do you guys think there's any chance they choose not to include the Joel confesses to Ellie what he did at the hospital flashback this season? If they include it, I struggle to think of a good place to squeeze it in. It feels like they already missed the appropriate chance.

In the game

They show this flashback after Ellie tortures Nora. So my guess is that it'll be towards the end of the season. I expect the season will end at the theater.

 

[viveks86]

In the game

They show this flashback after Ellie tortures Nora. So my guess is that it'll be towards the end of the season. I expect the season will end at the theater.

I have a feeling they will save some of the flashbacks for next season. Otherwise, there isn't much to show of Ellie's storyline next season. Even less if they plan to do 3 seasons.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Ratings went up from the previous episode. From data that has been released. Episode 12 is episode 3:

The Last of Us 12: Episode 12 (HBO, 9:02 PM-9:58 PM, 56 min.) • 0.768 million viewers

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The Last of Us Episode 11 (HBO, 9:01 PM-9:57 PM, 56 min.) • 0.643 million viewers

Sunday Ratings: CBS and TNT Split Victory on Easter Night

What follows are the Live + Same Day rating results for the night's network telecasts on Sunday, April 20, 2025: — Total Viewers (in millions): CBS: 5.546, ABC: 4.411, TNT: 3.637, NBC: 2.030, Fox News: 1.338,

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