Because a beard is a defining character trait of Joel?
LOL... You guys can't be serious.
It's funny that people's idea of a good adaptation is actors who look 1:1 like the characters (whether they can act or not) and lines and scenes that are 1:1 to the game even if they don't play well for tv.
What's even funnier is you know that's not what they're going for so you hate watch the show, so you can complain about it. Like there's so much tv and other media, I wouldn't waste my time watching a show I didn't like when there is so much better stuff to do.
Weird times.
I have a feeling they will save some of the flashbacks for next season. Otherwise, there isn't much to show of Ellie's storyline next season. Even less if they plan to do 3 seasons.
I thought the beard was pretty important to Joel's appearance. If that is not important, then is anything? They could have made him a five foot tall scrawny guy and you'd be ok with it? Because it's just actors acting? He can ACT like he's big and tough. That's good enough I guess lol
I don't hate watch anything, sir. I just find it amusing that they found the one actor who can't grow a beard if his life depended on it to play a guy that's been shown with a fully grown beard in the entirety of the games.
Ratings went up from the previous episode. From data that has been released. Episode 12 is episode 3:
The Last of Us 12: Episode 12 (HBO, 9:02 PM-9:58 PM, 56 min.) • 0.768 million viewers
The Last of Us Episode 11 (HBO, 9:01 PM-9:57 PM, 56 min.) • 0.643 million viewers
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Sunday Ratings: CBS and TNT Split Victory on Easter Night
What follows are the Live + Same Day rating results for the night's network telecasts on Sunday, April 20, 2025: — Total Viewers (in millions): CBS: 5.546, ABC: 4.411, TNT: 3.637, NBC: 2.030, Fox News: 1.338,programminginsider.com
Why do you think Joel's beard is central to his character? Is his beard brought up at any point during either game?
He was nominated for an Emmy for his portrayal as Joel. He knocked it out of the park.
I'm sure if you thought about tv and movies you love, you'd realize that you don't actually care but you've picked this opportunity to be obstinant about it.
Did you like Braveheart? Do you think Mel Gibson is from Scotland?
Again, I'll say that people are super weird when it comes to this IP.
Those might be just TV rating. Not streaming.The show would have been much bigger on Netflix or even Amazon.
I think Joel could be properly played by a horse. Mr. Ed surely has some descendants running around who would be happy to give their take on the role.It's just that we spent a few years with a character looking a certain way and now they just go ahead and change that completely arbitrarily.
Let me ask you a question, how much could they alter Joel's apperance from his game depiction before you'd be like wtf is going on here?
I think Joel could be properly played by a horse. Mr. Ed surely has some descendants running around who would be happy to give their take on the role.
After all, it's all fiction and acting, right?
"Ellliieee!!!"
Right. But I think they will shuffle it a bit so Ellie gets some screen time throughout next season. Would be too jarring to wait another 2 years to see what happens next and then find out that most of the season is a flashback of the so-called antagonist. Ellie will have screen time only if Santa Barbara is featured. If they are splitting that off into a 4th season, then it's definitely going to be a challenge to find the right balance between the 2 perspectives. Curious to see how they pull it off.There are a lot of flashbacks but also the next season is likely going to be shown much from Abby's perspective, including her flashbacks with her dad.
It's just that we spent a few years with a character looking a certain way and now they just go ahead and change that completely arbitrarily.
Let me ask you a question, how much could they alter Joel's appearance from his game depiction before you'd be like wtf is going on here?
Those might be just TV rating. Not streaming.
They will just shift the "critical aspect" of Joel around to whatever you are NOT cmplaining about. Does Joel need to be a man? An adult even? Tall? Able to walk?Lol
On a more serious note, I think that poster would be ok with a bald Joel? Or maybe one that likes to wear makeup? Or completely covered in tattoos? Why not? It's just actong and these characteristsics are not essential to the character, right?
They will just shift the "critical aspect" of Joel around to whatever you are NOT cmplaining about. Does Joel need to be a man? An adult even? Tall? Able to walk?
Certainly there have been actors with disabilities/differences that aren't reflected in their character but with todays talent pool there is really no excuse for not getting EXACTLY the on screen visual look you want. Anyone who says "well, the actor looks totally wrong but their audition was SOOOOOO terrific we just had to cast them" is mostly lying.
I'm curious how they're going to handle Tommy.
Assuming he does end up going to Seattle. Will he still kill Manny? It was a cool moment in the game. Tommy at his most badass, as a predator hunting them down. I wonder if the show will try to make that moment a surprise and not show or tell us Tommy left to go to Seattle to try to make that moment more surprising. I don't know. If he doesn't leave by the end of episode 4 I'm just going to assume that's the plan.
You could have Joel be a teen and just sub the parental relationship for a sibling one. Literally NOTHING of the relationship needs to change.You told on yourself here...
Does Joel need to be a man? I think it helps, but no I don't think it was a requirement.
Does Joel need to be an adult? Yeah, one of his defining characteristics is his parental relationship with Sarah and Ellie.
And was shit on for it.....Tall? Define tall. Is Tom Cruise tall? Has that stopped him from acting in action roles? Hell he was cast as Jack Reacher...
You never actually need to see Joel walk. He could just always be sitting down for every scene. Or he uses a wheelchair. You aren't saying that the wheelchair bound are crippled and can't help people, are you?Able to walk? Yeah, I think given that Ellie and Joel literally walk cross country that Joel would need to walk.
People with tattoos can't have wholesome parental relationships?! Tsk tsk...Could Joel have tattoos? Maybe, but I think it'd be a stretch. I think it would clash somewhat with the wholesome parental relationship with Sarah.
People with tattoos can't have wholesome parental relationships?! Tsk tsk...
esent here. Don't think that was important at all. What was important was you had a parent who lost a child that they were unable to protect and got a second shot that they didn't necessarily want or plan on.
They could have gender swapped the character and I wouldn't have cared at all.
I could come up with several women who I think could have pulled off a "joel" character. It really doesn't matter. The characteristics that define Joel have nothing to do with him having a beard.
Could you do that with Kratos? Not so much.
Was Pedro Pascal on my short list for Joel? No, he wasn't. I thought he was great in Narcos and in Game of Thrones, but I soured on him a little bit after Wonder Woman 1984, but I think he killed it as Joel and most people think that.
You could have Joel be a teen and just sub the parental relationship for a sibling one. Literally NOTHING of the relationship needs to change.
Hell, Joel could be a 10 yo an Ellie is 30 and its a meternal relationship. NOTHING needs to change.
And was shit on for it.....
You never actually need to see Joel walk. He could just always be sitting down for every scene. Or he uses a wheelchair. You aren't saying that the wheelchair bound are crippled and can't help people, are you?
See how that works? You can ALWAYS bend the source material to accommodate whatever looney idea you have. And if the performance is good enough, folks tend to come 'round. But if there are cracks in the production, even if it isn't directly with that screwball casting choice, the blame often gets heaped up there because if the casting was so divergent, then of course the rest was sloppy as well.
In essence season 2 is just a revenge story. We don't even need the fungus, it could have been a nuclear war, or nothing at all!
I think if they keep one of them it would be the way Manny died. The way Jordan died was a little more video game-y. I swear though, Tommy better head out to Seattle. I still have concerns he won't so they can keep him in Jackson to give them a reason to keep checking back in. Because Jackson without Tommy and Jesse really has no reason to go back there.One of my major complaints was the merging of Manny and Jordan. I think we're going to be robbed of at least one of those great scenes. I think Tommy goes to Seattle for Ellie here rather than just vengeance, but come face to face with it, I think he'll still choose vengeance. I think the discussion with Gail reflects that it's Tommy who is afraid of walking Joel's path and afraid that he'll do something stupid... Tommy is very much a spectre for most of the game.
The Last of Us was never really about the fungus... even in season 1. No fungus in The Road or Children of Men...
I think if they keep one of them it would be the way Manny died. The way Jordan died was a little more video game-y. I swear though, Tommy better head out to Seattle. I still have concerns he won't so they can keep him in Jackson to give them a reason to keep checking back in. Because Jackson without Tommy and Jesse really has no reason to go back there.
I am sorry to inform you but the show is called The last of Us and it's based off a game that's called The Last of Us.
You're being kind of silly now if you think the fungus isn't even essential.
LOL, all that tells me is that you didn't watch any of those movies.
Neil copied the three of them and turned them into the last of us and the fungus is just a means to an ends. The purpose is to explore the human condition as a result of apocalypse. It's right there in the title, "The Last of Us." What do we become when we're the only ones left?
The infected are mostly a gameplay mechanic not much different from the fantasy elements in the Uncharted games and also why they're not so prevalent in the TV show...
I've seen Children of Men and 28 Day Later.
I am not sure why they would try to kill Ellie if they weren't looking for a cure then, they would just substitute that part of the story too?
I think you're the type of person who thinks the Ship of Theseus is the same ship even if every part was replaced multiple times.
Focusing on Joel being a father and ellie a surrogate daughter as the ONLY expression of that type of relationship is also laughable. Hell, even the 'sources/inspiration' you cite aren't all father/adopted daughter. Joel could be a dog seeking to replace its master and willing to do ANYTHING to protect her......EXACT SAME emotional narrative beats and in fact that story has been done as well.Who is trying to kill Ellie?
No where did I say that the last of us is the things it was inspired by, but the characteristics are completely created from them and they're clearly varied from each other.
Focusing on a beard is laughable and tells everyone you didn't get the game so you won't get the show.
They could have made him a black woman for all I care or the story needs. You must be new to tv series/movie adaptations. Lots of literary work is made for the screen were lots of key things are changed and here you are complaining about a beard Gimme a break.It's just that we spent a few years with a character looking a certain way and now they just go ahead and change that completely arbitrarily.
Let me ask you a question, how much could they alter Joel's appearance from his game depiction before you'd be like wtf is going on here?
They could have made him a black woman for all I care or the story needs. You must be new to tv series/movie adaptations. Lots of literary work is made for the screen were lots of key things are changed and here you are complaining about a beard Gimme a break.
See, changing the setting to better represent the casting is fine. In fact, it's GREAT. Story and setting are connected but don't have to be in lock-step. Now if The Departed was still set in Hong Kong or wherever just with all white actors....problem. The setting no longer jives with the casting to create a coherent experience. Unless it's the best you can do because it's the 1950's and you have $3.50 for budget and can't travel more than 2 miles from Hollywood. Somewhat passable back then, but utterly inexcusable in the age of $200 mill/season TV show sand films.If these people were at all honest, they'd realize half the stuff they enjoy on tv or in movies are adaptations many of which if not most have made drastic changes to the source material.
The Departed is a great movie. It was a remake of Infernal Affairs, a hong kong film. Instead of being set in HK, it's set in Boston with the Irish mob instead of Triad. Like, part of me assumes that these are 16-20 year olds who have never really watched much cinema or even tv, or maybe they're just oblivious to the changes.
Even the Godfather makes significant changes from book to movie...
Pedro pascal was miscast as Joel but it had nothing to do with his facial hair. Y'all need to stop bringing up actors' looks with this show. His characterization is too soft and he's too likable and not controversial at all.It's just that we spent a few years with a character looking a certain way and now they just go ahead and change that completely arbitrarily.
Let me ask you a question, how much could they alter Joel's appearance from his game depiction before you'd be like wtf is going on here?
The parts they took out were necessary. AEven the Godfather makes significant changes from book to movie..
I mean, the long and short of the casting isn't a valiant "their soul was right for the part, looks be damned!" It's more a who's-who circle jerk of in folks high off their own supply in perpetuity, a walled off echo chamber of high class artists, doing real recognize real poorly.
Think I'm being an asshole? I am. But also, consider:
HBO - big cash cow is Game of Thrones. That's the "vibe check," for an HBO show. That's the quality (for better and worse) and tone that's become synonymous with the brand. Well, what made GoT great? It was the terrific performances [sic] for one! Who was in that one?
Pedro Pascal, Bella Ramsey? Insanely divine coincidence that out of the seven billion people on the planet, these two specifically became the leads? I'm sure in Pedro's case the casting had nothing to do with his easily forecasted rising star with GoT, Narcos, The Mandalorian, every movie released after 2020, etc.
Still think I'm being a loose douche? Well, KEGAL UP, KELLY.
Gabi Tittiesisreal or whatever her name is, bald scene chick # 43, the lead in Naughty Dog's upcoming title, The Heretic Prophet. Coincidentally cast as Nora, like...vague washing her strong black woman vibe from the source material. Speaking of Naughty Dog, let's examine some of the magic under the hood.
The music in The Last of Us, both parts one and two, was written and performed, to basically bipartisan acclaim, no less, by one Gustavo Santallaola (or whatever, again, fuck repeating consonants) Now, dear reader, please don't suppose that I'm about to bitch about the man's cameo in the game (and by larger extension the show) Of course not. That's a silly cameo.
What's interesting, is that Gustavo worked with Mogwai and, relevant to this point, Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross on the score of the scaredaganda Disney+ featured doc, Before the Flood. Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross also did the score the libtard HBO Watchmen series. Nine Inch Nails (Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross using Ultra Instinct) are currently working with Disney on the new Tron film.
You'll notice Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross now scoring Intergalactic. It's not an indictment or decoration for anyone involved. It's how networking works. But don't believe for a second these people authentically thought each individual piece in their incestuous chess game were the "best for the role,"
Neil knew Hailey and Gustavo.
Hailey knew Craig.
Gustavo knew Reznor.
All under the HBO umbrella, which brings in the actors usually associated.
Kind of seems like dumb people thinking they're being smart if the idea is for the world to accept these are the GOAT. Especially since TLOU has "going to be remade three times over the next twenty years by different actors and directors and writers," written all over it as as a visual media property.
I fail to see anything wrong with this. Of course Pedro Pascal was cast because he an popular actor and it turned out to be a perfect choice. Craig Mazin has told many times how Bella was cast. He saw her audition tape and was impressed by it. He said that he did recognize her from Game of Thrones when watching the tape.I mean, the long and short of the casting isn't a valiant "their soul was right for the part, looks be damned!" It's more a who's-who circle jerk of in folks high off their own supply in perpetuity, a walled off echo chamber of high class artists, doing real recognize real poorly.
Think I'm being an asshole? I am. But also, consider:
HBO - big cash cow is Game of Thrones. That's the "vibe check," for an HBO show. That's the quality (for better and worse) and tone that's become synonymous with the brand. Well, what made GoT great? It was the terrific performances [sic] for one! Who was in that one?
Pedro Pascal, Bella Ramsey? Insanely divine coincidence that out of the seven billion people on the planet, these two specifically became the leads? I'm sure in Pedro's case the casting had nothing to do with his easily forecasted rising star with GoT, Narcos, The Mandalorian, every movie released after 2020, etc.
Still think I'm being a loose douche? Well, KEGAL UP, KELLY.
Gabi Tittiesisreal or whatever her name is, bald scene chick # 43, the lead in Naughty Dog's upcoming title, The Heretic Prophet. Coincidentally cast as Nora, like...vague washing her strong black woman vibe from the source material. Speaking of Naughty Dog, let's examine some of the magic under the hood.
The music in The Last of Us, both parts one and two, was written and performed, to basically bipartisan acclaim, no less, by one Gustavo Santallaola (or whatever, again, fuck repeating consonants) Now, dear reader, please don't suppose that I'm about to bitch about the man's cameo in the game (and by larger extension the show) Of course not. That's a silly cameo.
What's interesting, is that Gustavo worked with Mogwai and, relevant to this point, Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross on the score of the scaredaganda Disney+ featured doc, Before the Flood. Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross also did the score the libtard HBO Watchmen series. Nine Inch Nails (Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross using Ultra Instinct) are currently working with Disney on the new Tron film.
You'll notice Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross now scoring Intergalactic. It's not an indictment or decoration for anyone involved. It's how networking works. But don't believe for a second these people authentically thought each individual piece in their incestuous chess game were the "best for the role,"
Neil knew Hailey and Gustavo.
Hailey knew Craig.
Gustavo knew Reznor.
All under the HBO umbrella, which brings in the actors usually associated.
Kind of seems like dumb people thinking they're being smart if the idea is for the world to accept these are the GOAT. Especially since TLOU has "going to be remade three times over the next twenty years by different actors and directors and writers," written all over it as as a visual media property.
Is this a joke? He's horribly miscast.Of course Pedro Pascal was cast because he an popular actor and it turned out to be a perfect choice.
I see people mostly praising his performance.Is this a joke? He's horribly miscast.
I fail to see anything wrong with this. Of course Pedro Pascal was cast because he an popular actor and it turned out to be a perfect choice. Craig Mazin has told many times how Bella was cast. He saw her audition tape and was impressed by it. He said that he did recognize her from Game of Thrones when watching the tape.
Yeah, I watched Infernal Affairs first. I like it a lot better. And the beloved GoT (Which I don't think much of) is a complete fabrication for TV after the books ran out, and even what's there from the novels was substantially changed.If these people were at all honest, they'd realize half the stuff they enjoy on tv or in movies are adaptations many of which if not most have made drastic changes to the source material.
The Departed is a great movie. It was a remake of Infernal Affairs, a hong kong film. Instead of being set in HK, it's set in Boston with the Irish mob instead of Triad. Like, part of me assumes that these are 16-20 year olds who have never really watched much cinema or even tv, or maybe they're just oblivious to the changes.
Even the Godfather makes significant changes from book to movie...
People like Pedro Pascal and he has many great performances, but I don't think anyone thinks of him as a perfect fit for Joel. I think most of those "praising him" are trying to dunk on Bella Ramsey's performance as a contrast.I see people mostly praising his performance.
They don't have an "obligation" to respect anything, that's why they're adaptations.See, changing the setting to better represent the casting is fine. In fact, it's GREAT. Story and setting are connected but don't have to be in lock-step. Now if The Departed was still set in Hong Kong or wherever just with all white actors....problem. The setting no longer jives with the casting to create a coherent experience. Unless it's the best you can do because it's the 1950's and you have $3.50 for budget and can't travel more than 2 miles from Hollywood. Somewhat passable back then, but utterly inexcusable in the age of $200 mill/season TV show sand films.
Same with Shakespeare. Take all the story you want, but if you ain't gonna cast it in authentic feeling Renaissance Italy or ancient Rome, DON'T SET IT THERE.
Visual media adaptations have an obligation to respect the visual media sources they use, altering cosmetic details needs to be a deliberate choice that ENHANCES the story, not chasing social media trends or capitalizing on actor hotness (though I realize actor hotness is often a key ingredient in getting a project launched in the first place).
Wow. People who knew each other and/or admire their output chose to work together? I'm shocked!I mean, the long and short of the casting isn't a valiant "their soul was right for the part, looks be damned!" It's more a who's-who circle jerk of in folks high off their own supply in perpetuity, a walled off echo chamber of high class artists, doing real recognize real poorly.
Think I'm being an asshole? I am. But also, consider:
HBO - big cash cow is Game of Thrones. That's the "vibe check," for an HBO show. That's the quality (for better and worse) and tone that's become synonymous with the brand. Well, what made GoT great? It was the terrific performances [sic] for one! Who was in that one?
Pedro Pascal, Bella Ramsey? Insanely divine coincidence that out of the seven billion people on the planet, these two specifically became the leads? I'm sure in Pedro's case the casting had nothing to do with his easily forecasted rising star with GoT, Narcos, The Mandalorian, every movie released after 2020, etc.
Still think I'm being a loose douche? Well, KEGAL UP, KELLY.
Gabi Tittiesisreal or whatever her name is, bald scene chick # 43, the lead in Naughty Dog's upcoming title, The Heretic Prophet. Coincidentally cast as Nora, like...vague washing her strong black woman vibe from the source material. Speaking of Naughty Dog, let's examine some of the magic under the hood.
The music in The Last of Us, both parts one and two, was written and performed, to basically bipartisan acclaim, no less, by one Gustavo Santallaola (or whatever, again, fuck repeating consonants) Now, dear reader, please don't suppose that I'm about to bitch about the man's cameo in the game (and by larger extension the show) Of course not. That's a silly cameo.
What's interesting, is that Gustavo worked with Mogwai and, relevant to this point, Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross on the score of the scaredaganda Disney+ featured doc, Before the Flood. Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross also did the score the libtard HBO Watchmen series. Nine Inch Nails (Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross using Ultra Instinct) are currently working with Disney on the new Tron film.
You'll notice Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross now scoring Intergalactic. It's not an indictment or decoration for anyone involved. It's how networking works. But don't believe for a second these people authentically thought each individual piece in their incestuous chess game were the "best for the role,"
Neil knew Hailey and Gustavo.
Hailey knew Craig.
Gustavo knew Reznor.
All under the HBO umbrella, which brings in the actors usually associated.
Kind of seems like dumb people thinking they're being smart if the idea is for the world to accept these are the GOAT. Especially since TLOU has "going to be remade three times over the next twenty years by different actors and directors and writers," written all over it as as a visual media property.
Wow. People who knew each other and/or admire their output chose to work together? I'm shocked!
What you are saying applies to most projects from shoestring budget indies to megaprojects. It's not even industry specific. Working with acquaintances, associates, friends i.e. people in your "network" is literally how most, if not all, business is done. It's how humans operate. But beyond that, you really aren't saying as much as your word count suggests. Yes, "perfect person for the job" is hyperbole and often obfuscates the real reason, as long as you agree that it is almost always the case.
They don't have an "obligation" to respect anything, that's why they're adaptations.
What is so important about his beard?It's just really annoying that the one guy who can't grow a beard was cast as the guy who had a full beard.