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With only one episode to go and assuming the season will end with the theather scene with tommy losing an eye and jesse dying wonder how much time we will get to see ellie kill the pregant woman and her husband and their dog.

hopefully to go all in and make her kill them
 
Just_one said:
With only one episode to go and assuming the season will end with the theather scene with tommy losing an eye and jesse dying wonder how much time we will get to see ellie kill the pregant woman and her husband and their dog.

hopefully to go all in and make her kill them
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They won't have ellie kill the dog. She knows where Nora thinks Abby is. She heads to the aquarium, finds Owen and Mel, they don't give up Abby, fight ensues, and ellie kills them both. Tommy and maybe Jesse bring her back, and then Abby comes into the theater having tracked them down from a map left in the aquarium. Shoots Tommy and Jesse, fade to black. Season 3 opens on Abby Day 1.

More than enough time to do that in an hour or so.
 
So one example of cascading changes having negative impacts even in small ways is the song choice.

The song is from 2013 but they decided to move the outbreak to 2003, meaning the song wouldn't exist. This is what tells me that Craig doesn't necessarily think through the changes he makes.
 
Mixed feelings about this episode myself, but I am a big fan of the changes regarding Salt Lake City. I hadn't even ever considered excising that section and replacing it with Ellie simply putting 2 and 2 together, but it works so, so much better.
 
Read a couple reviews of the episode(Kotaku being one) that absolutely crushed it. Saying it absolutely butchered the scene. I'm more annoyed at the placement of it than the scene itself. Yeah the game did it better(as it did everything) and it was more subtle but I thought it was still good enough. But oddly, both of the reviews blamed Craig Mazin when it was Druckmann who wrote this episode. So I don't know why they're blaming him. We don't know whose idea it was for the tweaks.
 
EntelechyFuff said:
Mixed feelings about this episode myself, but I am a big fan of the changes regarding Salt Lake City. I hadn't even ever considered excising that section and replacing it with Ellie simply putting 2 and 2 together, but it works so, so much better.
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It was never realistic for her to go to Utah by herself to find out. This was a change for the better.
 
EntelechyFuff said:
Mixed feelings about this episode myself, but I am a big fan of the changes regarding Salt Lake City. I hadn't even ever considered excising that section and replacing it with Ellie simply putting 2 and 2 together, but it works so, so much better.
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Ellie crossing part of the country to check the hospital out again by herself only for her and Joel to go back home by horse and separate wouldn't make any sense. It's not like she just rode that horse around a corner... It makes sense from a gameplay perspective to go across that corridor by yourself and all that...but for a TV show? Not really.

It also says a lot about her personality how she could put 1+1 together and let's face it...it's not weird for a kid to have a tough time to deal with a lie they were told when they were young only to confront the other person as a young adult. Her reactions totally made sense in my book.

It's also quite obvious Neil is spreading himself too thin between this show and the new game. This episode clearly had a lot more care than the previous ones in terms of the script and you can tell it was written by someone that got the source material in a way, and most of the other episodes felt like they were adapted by someone different. It's tough to explain. They weren't badly written, just...some odd choices and character behavior. It's not an accident that as soon Neil writes an episode Ellie feels like Ellie again, out of the blue.
 
They said they put the end scene in last night's episode essentially because they thought its impact would diminish if they saved it for the end of the show, which will be several years down the line.
 
DragoonKain said:
They said they put the end scene in last night's episode essentially because they thought its impact would diminish if they saved it for the end of the show, which will be several years down the line.
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And it's true...it works for the game. Imagine watching that scene on season or even season 4 (so in 2 or 4 years lmao)
 
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This episode was amazing. I have disliked many of the changes but I had no problem with them here. This was so well done. Best episode of this season so far.
 
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There has not been much Abby in this show, and I thought you played her a bunch in the game.

Episode part in the museum was pretty good. Overall a good episode.
 
DragoonKain said:
Can anyone jog my memory. What happens at the theater before the big confrontation?
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Not much, they are planning to head home- Tommy brags about a diamond ring he found and wants to give Maria, he goes into the lobby to grab it to show Jesse/Ellie, Ellie and Jesse are chatting in the meantime (him talking about doing his general "good guy" thing about supporting his friends, etc) when Abby walks in on Tommy rummaging for the ring and starts the confrontation- Ellie/Jesse hear the commotion and come running in... and you know what happens.
 
They're doing great things with layered or visual storytelling.

A few notes for the episode

  • Joel lies to protect people, he's been doing it since he was a kid. He lies to protect Tommy, he lies to protect Ellie, and he lies to protect Gail, hell he even lies about being on the atkins diet so he doesn't have to eat any of the food his neighbor made
    • He also thinks that he is the one who is best suited to make decisions and who should know about the truth
  • Joel's watch that was broken the Sarah fixes? It's actually his dad's watch. Why is this so interesting? Because Tommy would know the watches origins and doesn't want it for himself or for his son. He fixes it and gives it to Ellie.
    • This could have dozens of meanings, maybe Tommy hates his dad and he's seen the cycle go from his dad to his brother and doesn't want it for himself or his son.
    • Maybe he sees Ellie as such a part of his family that she is the next in line to inherit the watch. She's not just Joel's, but she's Tommy's too.
  • The last time Tommy saw Joel was at the New Year's party, and he didn't ring in the new year with Joel. Their words were see you next year, but they never get the opportunity.
    • Tommy put his son first as he is trying to be a better dad than his father as well, despite this, he goes to Seattle knowing he might leave his son without a father
    • When Tommy tells Joel he's going to be a father, he ponders whether he'll be a good one, and Joel says, "I guess we'll see", which enrages Tommy
      • They both have seen firsthand what their dad did to them
      • Joel had his first shot at being a good father and lost it when Sarah died
      • It's now Tommy's shot, and he wants the support of his brother
      • This also gives more context to what Joel tells Tommy about his dreams and how he's afraid he's going to lose Ellie
 
deathsaber said:
Not much, they are planning to head home- Tommy brags about a diamond ring he found and wants to give Maria, he goes into the lobby to grab it to show Jesse/Ellie, Ellie and Jesse are chatting in the meantime (him talking about doing his general "good guy" thing about supporting his friends, etc) when Abby walks in on Tommy rummaging for the ring and starts the confrontation- Ellie/Jesse hear the commotion and come running in... and you know what happens.
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If they show the theater(which the preview shows they're going to) but don't show the actual confrontation then I wonder where they're going to leave it off. Because they haven't even introduced Lev yet and he's important obviously because he stops Abby from killing Dina. Would they really do the theater in the finale without the big moments from the theater?
 
Great episode. This may be the most inconsistent season of TV ever. When it's good it's soo good. When it's bad, aka when Dina and Ellie are alone delivering cringe romance and marvel jokes, it's dogshit.
 
Really loving this season. It's not as good as the game, but the game is the greatest game of all time and the show was never going to reach those heights.

DragoonKain said:
If they show the theater(which the preview shows they're going to) but don't show the actual confrontation then I wonder where they're going to leave it off. Because they haven't even introduced Lev yet and he's important obviously because he stops Abby from killing Dina. Would they really do the theater in the finale without the big moments from the theater?
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They'll stop it at the same place the game did.
Abby shoots Tommy, kills Jesse, points the gun at Ellie and says "I let you live... and you wasted it."
queue credits, end of season.

The Lev stuff doesn't come into play until they circle back to the theater after playing as Abby from the beginning and letting you experience the path that led her there.
 
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analog_future said:
Really loving this season. It's not as good as the game, but the game is the greatest game of all time and the show was never going to reach those heights.


They'll stop it at the same place the game did.
Abby shoots Tommy, kills Jesse, points the gun at Ellie and says "I let you live... and you wasted it."
queue credits, end of season.

The Lev stuff doesn't come into play until they circle back to the theater after playing as Abby from the beginning and letting you experience the path that led her there.
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That's when you're playing as Abby. When you're playing as Ellie I believe the screen just fades to black when Abby comes in.. It wouldn't make sense to do that major part before you get Abby's point of view, which we'll get next season.
 
DragoonKain said:
That's when you're playing as Abby. When you're playing as Ellie I believe the screen just fades to black when Abby comes in.. It wouldn't make sense to do that major part before you get Abby's point of view, which we'll get next season.
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You're misremembering. The scene in the first spoiler I mentioned happens from Ellie's POV, just before the game switches back to Day One from Abby's POV.
 
analog_future said:
You're misremembering. The scene in the first spoiler I mentioned happens from Ellie's POV, just before the game switches back to Day One from Abby's POV.
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Right, I forgot that occurs in both perspectives. I went back and Youtube'd it and one small thing you put in there was in Ellie's scenario Tommy doesn't get shot. Jesse does though. It fades to black before Abby shoots Tommy. So I guess SUnday night we lose Jesse. Tommy hunting Abby and Manny happens in Abby's scenario I believe. SO we'll probably get that in season 3.
 
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Looks like they filmed more scenes for the museum. You can see the dinosaur bones exhibit set in the Inside episode 6 video.
 
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Pedro Pascal’s ‘Last of Us’ Emmys Dilemma: Will He Compete in Lead or Supporting for Season 2?

Will Pedro Pascal submit in lead or supporting at the Emmys following that shocking 'Last of Us' episode?
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This is a great question... presumably he's only in 3 episodes, but it's also only a 7 episode season.

Strategically and based on likelihood, it'll be tough to pit him against Noah Wyle (no pun intended).

I think he is a lock for supporting. I can't find any information on what they submitted him for.
 
DragoonKain said:
Yeah. There's only two reasons I can think of why they did it tonight. Because it was included in the ending of the game for a reason and by design like you said. Not just for the hell of it. Like I mentioned previously, something contractual with Pedro. Where if he's off the show they can't have him in future scenes. I don't know if that's a thing or not. Or given it's very clearly going to be a 4 season series now, they thought the scene wouldn't have nearly as big of an impact in the show 4 years from now(2 year gap between seasons 2 and 3 and seasons 3 and 4) after no one's seen Pedro in it for 4 years. It's different in the game because it's just a matter of hours. And maybe they thought that by the time the show ends, likely in 2029, having one scene with Pedro at the very end would fall flat given no one's seen him in the dam show in years.

That's just my guess. Maybe they'll add some other emotional part in the ending to replace it. Not sure what though.
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If it's contractual with Pedro, they could've just filmed it now and not show it until the ending. In fact, more shows / sequels should do this, to where they're actually the age they're meant to be in the flashback.
 
E-Cat said:
If it's contractual with Pedro, they could've just filmed it now and not show it until the ending. In fact, more shows / sequels should do this, to where they're actually the age they're meant to be in the flashback.
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Neil confirmed in an interview it was the 4 year gap. Not seeing Joel for 4 years and then at the end they spring that scene upon people, many who probably would have forgotten by that point, it just wouldn't have the same impact as in the game they thought. I can't say they're wrong. Now we'll see what, if anything, they put in the ending.

Speaking of endings, I think a lot of reviewers are going to be really upset about next week. If it ends where Ellie's POV ends. I mean the reviewers who go episode by episode, not the ones who've reviewed the season already. I think it's going to be like Squid Game season 2 Part 1's ending but even worse and more torturous because at least with Squid Game, part 2 is only 6 months later, not 2 years.
 
That was a great juxtaposition/re-contextualization where Maria says to Joel family helps each other out, then cut to Seth saying "it's a family event you dykes" to Ellie and Dina.

One scene that I didn't get was when Joel and Ellie were walking back from the museum and Joel says "this is nice, we should do it more often," Ellie stops in her tracks to stare at a pond for a few seconds. What was that all about? Edit: It's fireflies, duh!
 
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E-Cat said:
That was a great juxtaposition/re-contextualization where Maria says to Joel family helps each other out, then cut to Seth saying "it's a family event you dykes" to Ellie and Dina.

One scene that I didn't get was when Joel and Ellie were walking back from the museum and Joel says "this is nice, we should do it more often," Ellie stops in her tracks to stare at a pond for a few seconds. What was that all about?
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She sees fireflies which reminds her of the Fireflies and Joel's lies.
 
There isn't a lot of time left. I think there is a chance that Owen and Mel don't die in Episode 7. Nora dying would be enough to enrage Abby and make Abby want to find Ellie somehow
 
Neil fucking Druckmann, ladies and gentleman.

Easily the best episode of the season so far. Wow, im very impressed.

Loved the changes, loved the tone, loved the additions, loved Eugenes backstory, loved the porch scene, LOVED ellie snitching.

Neil! Salute. No one understands the Joel character and Joel/Ellie more than this guy.

I wish we got a whole season of filler with just them 2 and their adventures.

This episode alone puts him above Kojima. TLHBO
 
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Of all the scenes from both seasons so far, I think the Ellie goes to space was the most faithful recreation. It was pretty much a carbon copy, basically 1:1. Even kept the same music for that scene too, which they haven't done for most scenes so far in each season. I wish they were that faithful with the machete scene from season 1 and a couple others. I really love how bittersweet that scene is. It's really the last time we as viewers see them happy together and seeing how Ellie is now, it's really sad, but nice to see her happy again.
 
Easily the best episode so far, possibly of both seasons. And finally one that feels well directed, making me not hate some of the casting with every cell in my body. Cuckmann wins again!
 
That stupid cake-scene was so far away from everything TLOU.... Part 1 Ellie HAD humor sometimes. But not that childish shit monkeyface is presenting here 🙄
 
That last episode was very good and super like the game. Looking forward to the finale. It's a shame this season is so short.
 
After not liking season 2 that much at all since it started, I gotta say, episode 6 was a banger and you really gotta be grasping at straws to call it awful. And I say that as someone who almost dropped the show after episode 5.
 
Stafford said:
I never played the game, but how did this go in the game?
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Are you talking about Eugene?

In the game you never see him, he's just mentioned in notes and Ellie had a familiarity with him, he's said to be a rare case where someone died of old age instead of raiders or the infected.
 
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