VulcanRaven
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Saw this behind the scenes compilation:
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Mibu no ookami Again these are just my worries. I want you to be right, because otherwise it just results in a weaker show and in that case no one will have a good time here.
Ellie is Joel's legacy, but Joel also has a legacy of violence and there are consequences to the violence he puts into the world. That's just a reality.
Game of Thrones isn't poorly thought of because the characters didn't have plot armor, it was poorly thought of big the last 2-3 seasons were trash and rushed.
Joel is able to find meaning in his life again, but as I said that came at a cost. It seems like you want something with a happy Hollywood ending and that isn't this. It's great that Hollywood is treating things with more nuance and maturity. That's probably not for everyone though and it doesn't seem like it is for you.
You compare Studio Ghibli movies to Disney movies and it's the exact same. I don't see anyone complaining about nihilism in Grave of the Fireflies or Princess Mononoke though. More important than redemptive is contemplative and though provoking, but hey, that's just like my opinion man... It's funny that you quote Big Lebowski here and that movie sticks with you, but where exactly was the redemptive arc there? There was none at all...
Half the cast of Game of Thrones gets killed off and less people whined and complained and its the biggest show in television history.
These kids are soft.
Will some people tune out? I'm sure they will. That's why characters tend to have plot armor in fiction until at least the end of the story.
You can already see some of the changes that they've made and the road those changes will lead us on.
Tommy's decision to leave and go after Team Abby is going to be bigger since he has a kid for example.
I'd argue that nihilism really isn't all that nuanced or mature.
Redemptive doesn't have to mean happy ending. Red Dead 2 doesn't have a happy ending but it does have a redemptive one. As for the Big Lebowski, the Dude is a very zen-like character. Coen Brothers films tend to have deep spiritual and religious meanings beneath the surface. Haven't seen the Ghibli films you mention, that's still on my to-do list.
I strongly believe that if you're going to start a story the way TLOU starts, you owe the audience more than what TLOU2 gives them. It feels like the story was hijacked to be about something else.
TLOU 1 is self contained. So the audience isn't owed anything. Also, it's not difficult to argue that TLOU 1 is just as nihilistic, negative and even less redemptive. Ellie goes to the emotional depths of hell in part 2 and comes out redeemed (at least in her mind). She actually let it all go. 1 has no redemption for either character. She was "saved". Not redeemed. And neither was he. If those are the reasons to hate part 2, then you should hate part 1 even more. I just feel a lot of these rationalizations are happening after disliking the show for other reasons (such as wokeness, Joel being spat on and killed so shockingly, Abby's muscles, unmemorable side characters etc). Once you don't like something so strongly, everything about it looks bad.I'd argue that nihilism really isn't all that nuanced or mature.
Redemptive doesn't have to mean happy ending. Red Dead 2 doesn't have a happy ending but it does have a redemptive one. As for the Big Lebowski, the Dude is a very zen-like character. Coen Brothers films tend to have deep spiritual and religious meanings beneath the surface. Haven't seen the Ghibli films you mention, that's still on my to-do list.
I strongly believe that if you're going to start a story the way TLOU starts, you owe the audience more than what TLOU2 gives them. It feels like the story was hijacked to be about something else.
Is there? Seems the whole point of the game is that revenge is bad and the cycle of violence it causes is bad. It's an Israeli (Druckmann) making the story about the fucked up place he's from.
You're talking bs. He's right and you know itI respectfully disagree and personally can have just as much empathy for less attractive people. You think the main character needs to be physically attractive. This is not a fact, but your opinion. I think others (such as myself) are looking past her looks and don't have any problem with that as it relates to her character or the story as a whole.
You're just way out of touch with realityYou're talking bs. He's right and you know it
Media literacy is dead. Don't feel bad for the writers. They aren't the ones failing here.It's funny to me to see people really struggle with nonlinear storytelling.
I've seen people saying Ellie couldn't have been this angry for 5 years not understanding that events happen DURING the 5 years i.e. her finding out what Joel did in clearer detail.
I've seen the same people struggle with understanding who Eugene (Gail's husband) is, despite the exposition dump when Gail said that it was her birthday and her first birthday without Eugene, which tells us that Joel killed Eugene within the last year. A lot of them are saying they don't remember who Eugene is... well you don't know Eugene, just like you don't know Gail... jesus christ...
There's a 5 year time jump and the show already established that it does flashbacks yet people are just totally lost in the sauce here... It's kind of wild. I feel bad for the writers.
Media literacy is dead. Don't feel bad for the writers. They aren't the ones failing here.
This was posted before and no one took it seriously. Specially after one episode
You do know there are reviews on teh whole season as some people recieved full access to all episodes? We get to watch 1 by 1, they got all 7 in order to write a review.This was posted before and no one took it seriously. Specially after one episode
I'm not planning to watch that video but is it about the whole season or just the first episode?You do know there are reviews on teh whole season as some people recieved full access to all episodes? We get to watch 1 by 1, they got all 7 in order to write a review.
I didnt watch it either, was just chiming in about full episodes for reviewers. I think IGN reviewed the whole season like 7-10 days before the show.I'm not planning to watch that video but is it about the whole season or just the first episode?
I guess it should be expected there's a lot of hate watchers for this season. Gonna have to sift out the trolls from those actually trying to enjoy the show with nuanced criticism.
Perfectly fine to disagree with me but those on my side are sick of the discussion on Bella's looks. That's not a nuanced discussion to me and it isn't relevant to my enjoyment of the show. Those too bothered by her lack of attractiveness are injecting more of their views, imo.Ah yes, the good ol' "everyone that doesn't agree with my opinion is a Troll/hater/racist/homophobe/transphobe/whatever"
There's no "nuanced" discussion/criticism to be had since people like you just want to have a monologue and criticize those who don't fall in line with your line of view.
Tens of users in here already mentioned the why they don't like the show but no, that's apparently just "trolls" or "-ists" to you.
Also : it's a show for fuck's sake, disposable entertainment, try not to take it personally while also injecting your moral or political views, it's not that serious of a matter (being a holier than thou internet knight is though).
Oh yes, at minimum we're getting an amazing action scene with the Jackson invasionI think tonight's the night it goes down.
I feel like they might leave it on a cliffhanger and finish it off on the next oneI think tonight's the night it goes down.
no.So Ellie outright said she made peace with Joel. On episode 2.
So like in the game when Ellie tells Dina she was gonna watch a movie with Joel that night and Dina asks her if they talked about things and Ellie says they are working things through?So Ellie outright said she made peace with Joel. On episode 2.
Are they fucking serious?
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I feel like they might leave it on a cliffhanger and finish it off on the next one
PS: I haven't even watched episode 1 yet. Going to wait till the season finale and binge them back to back.
So Ellie outright said she made peace with Joel. On episode 2.
Are they fucking serious?
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Yup. exactly what i thought.Well done HBO, well done. Bone chilling stuff.
For non-game fans this is like Hardhome and The Red Wedding in the same episode lol.
I'm waiting for them to notice that one of the characters from the intro in Abby's group is also the main character of Intergalactic.
My wife, who never played the games hates Abby and isn't sure she will keep watching the show after tonight's episode.