Not really sure what to make of this card. It's like a weird combination of gnomish inventor and coldlight oracle. Kneejerk reactions on Facebook are that it's a buff to zoo, but I don't quite think so, the stats are pretty garbage and the warlock actually wants an empty hand. Might be used more often in super aggressive non-warlock decks like aggro mage or aggro paladin?
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Not really sure what to make of this card. It's like a weird combination of gnomish inventor and coldlight oracle. Kneejerk reactions on Facebook are that it's a buff to zoo, but I don't quite think so, the stats are pretty garbage and the warlock actually wants an empty hand. Might be used more often in super aggressive non-warlock decks like aggro mage or aggro paladin?
RumblingRosco
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Junk card. Won't be played much, maybe in non-Warlock Zoo decks... Shockadin for example.
Officerrob
Banned
That card is total garbage....
I'm sure my first GvG pack will have two of them
I'm sure my first GvG pack will have two of them
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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
lovin jeeves for mill. finally more mill options.
Professor Lich
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Actually, that's a pretty awesome finisher since it can't be stopped, but it'll also be hard to pull off. Just have to make sure it doesn't happen to you!
He's also a half decent card to top deck since you'll get three cards for your next turn if you have nothing else.
He's also a half decent card to top deck since you'll get three cards for your next turn if you have nothing else.
Officerrob
Banned
Exactly, people are completely misunderstanding the card. Jeeves fills your hand to the point where you have three cards. If you have three cards, it does nothing
Extremely situational, so basically worthless
RumblingRosco
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If you are running a mill deck and your opponent has less than three cards you've probably already lost... Or at least you sure aren't doing a good job milling them.
Professor Lich
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There's also the chance that this will allow other classes to try zoo type decks as well. It could allow for other interesting decks as well, just have to play with it first.
I think it could be good if you play a mech deck that can empty the it hand with it. You could play a Mechwarper, Jeeves, and a Micromachine on turn five, then you fill your hand back up to four cards on the next turn.
Officerrob
Banned
You literally just outlined the most ideal scenario for the card, damn near every card can be playable under the most ideal scenario. The vast majority of the time it's just a bad card
Mobius and pet octopus
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Well if you get 2 cards off it, its like an arcane intellect plus a 1/4 for 1 mana.
Lets say your opponent has more than 3 cards already. If your opponent removes it, they don't benefit. If they don't, you can continue drawing cards off it and probably win at that point.
Lets say your opponent has more than 3 cards already. If your opponent removes it, they don't benefit. If they don't, you can continue drawing cards off it and probably win at that point.
Right, so you basically have to be running a deck that tries to empty their hand as soon as possible, that's not zoolock. So something like Shockadin, for example. Most decks do not want to be operating at one-two cards in hand.
Professor Lich
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I guess I'm just thinking that it'd be easy to play a deck with these, as ZealousD has said, based on emptying the hand. It's almost a Divine Favor or Arcane Intellect, just with a hard constraint. Maybe that'll make it terrible, we won't know until it's all released into the wild.
Should add, I thought the cost was three mana, not four. Pretty big difference there.
RumblingRosco
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The closest card I can think of to Jeeves is Silverback Patriarch... Which costs one less mana, has Taunt, and is considered a terrible card. Jeeves only upside is if you are already in a bad situation (low on cards) you may be able to draw 1-3 cards.
Imagine turn 4 you play Jeeves and draw a card... Then your opponent plays a Yeti. I don't think your one card drawn is worth the horrible tempo. Anyway, I am just very skeptical of Jeeves except in a few very specific decks, the only one coming to mind right bow being Shockadin.
Imagine turn 4 you play Jeeves and draw a card... Then your opponent plays a Yeti. I don't think your one card drawn is worth the horrible tempo. Anyway, I am just very skeptical of Jeeves except in a few very specific decks, the only one coming to mind right bow being Shockadin.
It seems... terrible
I might be willing to try it in aggro warrior but the loss of tempo for card draw is just too extreme. I'm really struggling to think of a deck that both:
1. Empties its hand such that this draws a bunch of cards
2. Can afford the tempo loss of playing a 4 mana creature with 1 attack
The two requirements of this card are at such counter purposes that I'm not seeing it.
edit: shockadin already has divine favor which is way better
I might be willing to try it in aggro warrior but the loss of tempo for card draw is just too extreme. I'm really struggling to think of a deck that both:
1. Empties its hand such that this draws a bunch of cards
2. Can afford the tempo loss of playing a 4 mana creature with 1 attack
The two requirements of this card are at such counter purposes that I'm not seeing it.
edit: shockadin already has divine favor which is way better
RumblingRosco
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I think it has a use in Shockadin. If they don't get those Divine Favor they're dead in the water. This gives them two more decent means of card draw. I'd try running two of these with two Divine Favor.
RumblingRosco
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Couldn't possibly work that way because, since you can overdraw even beyond negative health, you'd basically be in an infinite draw loop. My guess is it just acts as a "draw three cards" command.
You're probably right, but that would be kind of awesome. Bonus points for having your hero portrait implode on itself as it skirts along the Jeeves event horizon.
Mobius and pet octopus
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For fatigue purposes, it will only draw up to 3 cards
Well gnomish inventor is still a pretty good deal and is only 1 attack more.
Well gnomish inventor is still a pretty good deal and is only 1 attack more.
Officerrob
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Gnomish Inventor is also guaranteed to draw a card whenever you drop it
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Right... I think that is clear and settled.
Just as much as Jeeves can draw you up to 3 cards, and even more under the right conditions.
Haunted
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I'd run it. I can see it replacing a Loatheb or Harrison. I think it'd be a no-brainer at 5 mana, but it's true that the 6 slot is already really competitive with Cairne, Sylvanas and Black Knight (none of which I'd really want to get rid of...).
They're all really good cards, I'll definitely include Shieldmaiden when I get her to test whether she can make an impact.
Haunted
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Jeeves means the end of topdeck wars? 
I certainly wouldn't want to kill it off if my opponent plays it when we're both in topdeck mode.
It does seem like it has application in Zoo. Even if I discard 2 cards because a Doomguard was in those 3 cards, it's seems still worth around turn 4-5, when you've first dumped your hand.
edit: I do admit that it's 1) situational and 2) pretty slow for Zoo
I certainly wouldn't want to kill it off if my opponent plays it when we're both in topdeck mode.
It does seem like it has application in Zoo. Even if I discard 2 cards because a Doomguard was in those 3 cards, it's seems still worth around turn 4-5, when you've first dumped your hand.
edit: I do admit that it's 1) situational and 2) pretty slow for Zoo
How certain are we of this? Generally I find that the card text Blizzard chooses tends to be as literal as possible. For example, Baron Rivendare activates Deathrattles twice (not doubles) and Lightspawn always has his attack equal to his health.
I think if Jeeves worked by drawing "up to" 3 cards, it would say that.
RumblingRosco
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A video was posted a page or so back of someone drawing 780+ cards in one turn. The game didn't end until all the cards were drawn. In the case of Jeeves, if you kept drawing until you had three cards in-hand but there weren't three cards in your deck, you'd just keep drawing... Forever. Seems like that'd be a pretty game-breaking glitch and so I think it's safe to assume they will cut it off at three draws.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I think flamecannon is gonna be pretty beastly in mage. I mean, combo that with spell power and we're talking about taking out removing many 4-7 mana minions for only 2 mana.
I got my answer from reading ben brode's twitter response feed. Mechanically it determines the amount of cards you need to fill up to 3 and then draws them. https://twitter.com/bdbrode/status/533426780200509440
I got my answer from reading ben brode's twitter response feed. Mechanically it determines the amount of cards you need to fill up to 3 and then draws them. https://twitter.com/bdbrode/status/533426780200509440
Why would you ever replace Loatheb?
Cause Loatheb is a lame card in every deck.
Haunted
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edit: coach trump hates shieldmaiden
coach trump is terrible at analyzing cards and has a proven track record of failing to predict the meta
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Least favorite thing now in this game is how everyone goes for the face. Mage, Hunter, Druid, Warlock, Shaman, and Rogue are all being rewarded for just skipping the board and going for the face. If you put up a taunt, they have a way to get past it.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
This is simply because time is gold. If Blizzard changes that we might see some more control decks.
Im not gonna waste 20 minutes doing 1 match while i can do 3-4 and maybe lose 1 or 2 in that same period. its a waste of time.
Professor Lich
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Allegedly Legend ranks are more interesting. People play decks that give then the most stars per hour. Win or lose it's about fast games. However, I believe once you're in Legend, you can't fall out, so people try more things. Never been so I can't talk from experience.
However, I agree with you in the sense I'd rather see more interesting plays, combos, and smart card synergy than just face rush. However, stuff like that is not only hard to do, but also don't have a high win rate, so most people aren't going to play decks like that.
Yeah Trump is fine for new players to learn but if you want high-level analysis and plays you need to watch streams from the EU players like Kolento, Neirea, Sjow, and a bunch of other players I'm blanking on.
Who would you say is best in regards to explaining their playmaking decisions?
Technically that would be Trump especially when he's making a video for his youtube, but players like Kolento make better predictions and thinks farther ahead but they may not explain every one of their moves because they're not really trying to go for an educational stream. Basically if you want explanations of decisions then Trump is better but if you don't need basic explanations and want higher skilled play than Kolento is better.
Yeah I already follow Trump. My problem with Kolento is that when he throws a game by making a decision, he often doesn't explain why he did that instead of a more obvious play that wouldn't have resulted in a loss, at least not in the same way. I get when he's playing around stuff, I just wish he did a better job of, I don't know, justifying his moves when they're more unconventional. Not trying to throw shade at Kolento, he's leagues better than I am. It's just weird when he loses and you think "Well why didn't he just do this?"
Btw, Hafu is usually pretty good at explaining her arena picks etc. and she differs a bit from what she values from Trump, so if people are looking for an alternative, I'd recommend giving her streams a shot.
Lifecoach easily. The only pro who focuses on playing and explaining every single decision. And he takes his sweet ass time doing it.
fluffydelusions
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So sorta just getting REALLY into this game due to wow downtime lol. So is that $19.99 naxxramas worth getting?
If you spend any money at all on Hearthstone, spend it on Naxx first.
And yes, it's absolutely worth getting. Many of the cards you get from Naxx are super important.
partyphone
Banned
the actual content isn't great but each wing has at least one really good to amazing card in it. if you plan to keep playing it's something you will definitely need to do eventually.
if you're new i'd still probably recommend playing a lot of arena and earning gold and getting a better feel for all the cards and classes before you decide to spend real money on the game.
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