EnVy_CaLiBeR
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If that's not the case, it seems like a pretty bad card. You'd have to play it with a mech to get the most out of it.
If it does get the Divine Shield when it's played, it's a pretty good card.
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If that's not the case, it seems like a pretty bad card. You'd have to play it with a mech to get the most out of it.
If it does get the Divine Shield when it's played, it's a pretty good card.
Yes, that's what is exactly what it says and why I doubted my original interpretation of the text. The writer even speculates you'd probably have to protect it immediately with another card (eg. Hand of Protection, Argent Protector) for it to be useful...
The thing is, even though he played the expansion at Blizzcon, I don't think this card was part of that, so I don't think he's seen it in play. With the pic of the card in English someone else posted now, I'm inclined to believe he is just interpreting the effect that way.
The dream would be to have a stream of mechs give the card divine shield over and over again. Use the card to get serious value in board control. Have a Paladin deck with a bunch of low cost mechs that could buff and rebuff the card. But a deck with a bunch of low cost mechs that has a turn 6-7 dream combo seems week.
If it starts with divine shield, then I think the card gets play. If it starts naked, I don't think it does. But if it starts with divine shield, that's crazy strong for a 5 drop. Which means I'm inclined to believe it starts naked.
If it starts with divine shield, then I think the card gets play. If it starts naked, I don't think it does. But if it starts with divine shield, that's crazy strong for a 5 drop. Which means I'm inclined to believe it starts naked.
Professor Lich
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I doubt it starts with Divine Shield. It would have it first before the summoning effect. It'd read, "Divine Shield: Whenever you summon a Mech, gain Divine Shield," Or some such.
Mobius and pet octopus
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So every card paladin gets should be strong vs aggro?
You have to remember that paladins are getting more than one card and all the neutral cards as well.
Besides, control is supposed to be vulnerable vs aggro.
I think it is pretty clear that it doesn't start with divine shield.
Professor Lich
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Soon, when someone plays this card, EVERYONE WILL GET DIVINE SHIELD
It's the only way to be sure.
It's the only way to be sure.
Imagine the Blood Knight possibilities !
Glory to the Sin'dorei!
Cobalt + Annoy-O-Tron + Blood Knight is the turn 10 dream.
It seems a little sad though, I mean compare this with the upgraded repair bot... I know we haven't seen all the cards though. Hey, at least it's not an epic.
The card doesn't seem that great unless you can immediately provide it with divine shield, which means its secretly a 6+ drop (and I don't remember if they've shown any solid 1 mana mechs, so maybe more like 7+). Even then, it doesn't seem that much more amazing than a Sunwalker, provided your opponent opts to try and get rid of it.
If you can get it to stick around then trading it's shield for 6 damage on an opposing minion will lead to a pretty awesome snowball effect, but it seems hard to keep alive.
If you can get it to stick around then trading it's shield for 6 damage on an opposing minion will lead to a pretty awesome snowball effect, but it seems hard to keep alive.
Professor Lich
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Anyone know what this says?
It'll probably be revealed in like, five minutes though. Just odd because it's on the main site and everything else is English.
Edit: Yeah, just had to hit refresh. Weird that it showed up. There's your aggro card?
It'll probably be revealed in like, five minutes though. Just odd because it's on the main site and everything else is English.
Edit: Yeah, just had to hit refresh. Weird that it showed up. There's your aggro card?
Looks like a silver hand recruit buff.Anyone know what this says?
It'll probably be revealed in like, five minutes though. Just odd because it's on the main site and everything else is English.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I like that spell. A 1/4 weapon isn't as useless as people think it would be. The 3 recruits are actually very very useful. This card is a swing card in itself... I love it.
Play it when your Sword of Justice is down to 3 charges for maximum value.
So you can get 3/3 stats and 1/4 weapon on turn 3 seems pretty good vs aggro.English version:
More like it.
Infact it works at any level due to equality. Very strong card.
Mobius and pet octopus
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That depends on the order of the card's operation because the sword of justice is gonna get replaced.
It does combo pretty well with a couple cards. Wild pyro not being one of them, but knife juggler is.
It's not that great. I would prefer a 3/3 minion rather than three 1/1 minions. Too easily cleared. Pyromancer, Arcane Explosion, etc. The weapon is just as good as the 1/4 weapon Paladin already has, only now it has less use, since it's played on turn 3 and minions from that point on really can't be taken care of with a 1/4 weapon.
Not so good in my opinion.
EDIT: Sword of Justice combination is a good mention. Didn't think of that. But then you lose the 1/4 weapon effect of the card, so...
Knife Juggler is another good mention. Meh. Can see some decent play.
Turn 4 Sword of Justice. Turn 5 Knife Juggler + This card. Nice swing with good knife targeting.
I assume it happens in the order the text indicates.
More like 1 mana worth of stuff. 3 wisps and a light's justice. Terrible card. kappa
Professor Lich
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That Knife Juggler value.
So, it's possible to take any guess about these weapons. You can only tell that one is for Rogue and the other is for Paladin. Hope the Rogue one gets shown since we just got a Paladin card. It's pretty obvious, but they'll probably have some effect on Mechs. Maybe Rogues will be able to repair their Mechs with that wrench?
So, it's possible to take any guess about these weapons. You can only tell that one is for Rogue and the other is for Paladin. Hope the Rogue one gets shown since we just got a Paladin card. It's pretty obvious, but they'll probably have some effect on Mechs. Maybe Rogues will be able to repair their Mechs with that wrench?
Mobius and pet octopus
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The 2 new cards being voted on both look like neutral weapons? edit: oh... 2 rogue weapon?????
I wouldn't make that assumption, but it is possibly true.
I wouldn't make that assumption, but it is possibly true.
Mobius and pet octopus
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So what are they? Rogue weapons? I am not seeing what you're saying.
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So one is paladin and one is rogue? Is that right?
All the outlines look the same to me.
Reddit is saying they are druid and priest weapons FWIW.
Professor Lich
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Too lazy to open up PhotoShop but here;
Also, from what I read, they plan on doing Caster weapons at some point, but not yet.
Edit : Looking closer, they could very well be Priest and Druid weapons, they look brighter than the current outlines, but that could just be the website. It's impossible to tell because they don't have anything to compare to. And again, unless if I imagined it, I don't think they want casters to have weapons yet. That's why they made Blingtron.
Also, from what I read, they plan on doing Caster weapons at some point, but not yet.
Edit : Looking closer, they could very well be Priest and Druid weapons, they look brighter than the current outlines, but that could just be the website. It's impossible to tell because they don't have anything to compare to. And again, unless if I imagined it, I don't think they want casters to have weapons yet. That's why they made Blingtron.
It's kind of like a popped Haunted Creeper plus Light's Justice in one card. Not sure what to think of it. Apparently Control Paladin has trouble dealing with Aggro, so in that regard it's obviously good against 1HP openers, e.g. Leper Gnome/Webspinner, but can't safely deal with the really scary stuff like Undertaker.
Houndmaster and Voidwalker stop it completely. I feel like you'll never want to use one of your precious Equalities with it because the Pyro and Consecrate combos are superior by such a large margin.
I don't play this asshole deck though so I might be completely off.
€: Knife Juggler combo seems good though, maybe we will see the return of Shockadin, the ultimate trashlord deck.
Houndmaster and Voidwalker stop it completely. I feel like you'll never want to use one of your precious Equalities with it because the Pyro and Consecrate combos are superior by such a large margin.
I don't play this asshole deck though so I might be completely off.
€: Knife Juggler combo seems good though, maybe we will see the return of Shockadin, the ultimate trashlord deck.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Yeah, looks like rogue and paladin... voting rogue obviously lol
While all 3 knives hit face on turn 3...dat rng lol
I didn't think it was possible to differentiate weapons. They don't have the class's normal border. So why do people assume paladin/rogue?
edit: oh I never noticed the inner card text colored border before
wouldn't the one on the left be priest then? Looks like priest/druid to me.
edit: oh I never noticed the inner card text colored border before
wouldn't the one on the left be priest then? Looks like priest/druid to me.
Mobius and pet octopus
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The value of just having 3 1/1 bodies on board is really high for this class. It makes wild pyro much less necessary and having another way to make equality work is really welcome.
The best equality value is where you don't need to spend any mana activating it. This means you have the rest of your mana to establish board presence, making 1/1s that are already on board the best equality combo for paladin. Not to mention you can just whack away with your 1/4 weapon.
I can see why people might think this card isn't so great, but as someone who has played paladin enough, I see this as an incredible card.
Professor Lich
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Just in case other people were curious
I see where you're coming from but wouldn't your opponent kill off at least two of the 1/1s immediately when you're trying to go for a two-turn Equality play?
You also can't really play it into common early Control boards like Cleric or Armorsmith/Acolyte, they'll actually be happy about the free cards and armor.
It works on two levels, because those classes are moderately close to their Magic counterparts.
Red -> Anger, aggression
Black -> Poison, deadliness
Blue -> Bit of a stretch but Shamans are good spellcasters
Green -> Beasts
White -> Justice, swarms
Red -> Anger, aggression
Black -> Poison, deadliness
Blue -> Bit of a stretch but Shamans are good spellcasters
Green -> Beasts
White -> Justice, swarms
agreed,
I think muster for battle will be a 2 of in like every paladin deck. Not just shockadin.
3 1/1s is *super* annoying to deal with. Have you people not been playing against snake trap?
Shockadin will have combos with it but for mid-range/control its more about just having a strong presense on turn 3. How many slower paladins just hero power on 3? This lets them do something quite strong.
It also makes blessing of kings a much more viable card because they chain into each other. Or late game play them together for a turn 7 5/5 + 2 1/1s and a light's justice. Your opponent is going to be forced to waste their turn clearing out 1/1s or deal with kings.
Having access to light's justice without spending a card for it is also really strong with equality so you don't have to send your creatures into theirs or have another combo piece (pyro/consecrate)
Mobius and pet octopus
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Well sure, there are some boards where it isn't great but that is kind of the case with any card. One thing that paladin already has going for it is that it is very good against warrior though, and healthy/armor advantage isn't really gonna turn the match one way or the other in the match up. I've beaten control warriors from 60-70 hp before, who also had card advantage the entire game, with paladin. The main thing you need is to deal with their bombs and heal up after alexstrasza. After that they just lose in fatigue.
You could probably even cause the warrior to burn cards from overdraw if they have an acolyte lol...
Even if it does make the match ups slightly worse, you're still favored I think, by a pretty good margin.
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In fact, I've even played hero power into both acolyte and northshire cleric before, in the early game, because the card advantage isn't what makes paladins lose. And might even tempt them into overextending into equality.
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REGARDING sword of justice, it will work https://twitter.com/bdbrode/status/535146143500365825
This does not replace wild pyro in control paladin. The 1/1s do not have charge so you can't guarantee anything. This is more like a Shockadin card for cheap damage that could combo with knife juggler. It does combo well with equality in aggro Paladin though, since aggro decks can exploit their initiative.
It doesn't replace it in the sense that they do the same thing, no. But cards like this make you more likely to just have dudes in play to not need a pyro in the first place.
And the thing is, yeah 3 1/1s are weak against small AoE, but AoE to clear out 1 health dudes will *always* be good against paladin. It's going to hit you sooner or later in the matchup. And AoE used to clear out these dudes is not being used to clear out the 8 mana you spend on 4 dudes later.
I think the strongest argument for the card in Control Paladin is that their turn 3 right now is very lacking. What else is there really besides Follow the Rules which you'll want to save for later anyway? I've seen Shades being played in tournaments but that might have just been Reynard, also it doesn't really strenghten your board either. Harvest Golem?
On the other hand the expansion might bring other, more consistent 3s Paladin would want to use.
On the other hand the expansion might bring other, more consistent 3s Paladin would want to use.
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