I feel like people that complain about this game being pay-to-win aren't familiar with other CCGs. This is by far the cheapest and most accessible CCG I've ever seen. Play experience is a far larger barrier than card access.
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I feel like people that complain about this game being pay-to-win aren't familiar with other CCGs. This is by far the cheapest and most accessible CCG I've ever seen. Play experience is a far larger barrier than card access.
Yeah that shit is literally impossible to beat. I have tried so many times, and gotten close a few times too. What is the reward card for it again?
? I'm not complaining about the game being pay to win. That's the nature of CCGs. There is absolutely nothing different about hearthstone in that regard.
While it's accessible, it's still a CCG. The better cards will give you a huge advantage. Even only playing the game for a few weeks that's painfully obvious Hearthstone isn't any different there.
Game knowledge only gets you so far in ANY CCG.
Avenge, a pretty good paladin secret.
At some point I have to get around to unlocking the last wing of Naxx. I keep spending all my gold on packs and arena runs though. The chance for playable epics and legendaries just holds more appeal then unlocking unplayable epics and legendaries, I guess.
Ughhh, I just want that stupid card....
Mobius and pet octopus
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This is my first mech paladin deck. So far it has lead to crazy matches. It's more of a midrangey control paladin. Still making adjustments (like I swapped out gelbin for piloted sky golem). Gelbin is cool though and this is more of a fun deck so far.
I had a match vs a paladin where I got cobalt on turn 5, coined clockwork gnome, and he proceeded to live for the next 4 turns, ultimately removing a silenced tirion before being equality + consecrate + weapon hit to be killed.
Then later gazlowe got me so much value cards... I got iron juggernaut, iron sensei, 2x mech yetis... I ended up winning off iron juggernauts bomb which was the icing on the cake.
It was hard to play cause I had so many just for fun options to cycle out of my brain and probably missed a couple options that might have been better than what I actually ended up doing.
Servbot #42
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knife juggler is allright specially if you make zoo deck with deathrattle minions
FINALLY, A KNIFE JUGGLER. THE ONE CARD I'VE WANTED IN 90% OF MY DECKS!
You should be more excited about cabal shadow priest. That feeling you get when you steal a harvest golem. So good.
Undertaker always finds new ways to be bullshit.
Just had a game where it was dropped with piloted sky golem. Killed it and it dropped anubar ambusher...which still triggers his buff.
Sorry, I just meant to add to what you said. I agree completely.
Was the mage doing things like freezing your minions in place so that you couldn't attack?
Eh? Handlocks get rekt by warrior atm. Stop mulliganing exclusively for zoo and put bgh in your deck.
Sounds like textbook freeze mage.
It is strange since Warriors now crush freeze mage it is so rare to see them. Most of the mages I fought just gave up early.
Yeah I wasn't sure if that's what he was facing or not which is why I was asking the question. Freeze Mage plays by fundamentally different rules, so new players might be surprised whenever a Mage can't establish a board and then you just die to a million spells to the face.
Little Nemo
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I have BGH but that only takes care of one of their guys when I draw it. So I obviously don't know how to play this deck against Handlocks.
I'm using Sjow's Control Warrior atm.
And this is the handlock I'm usually seeing.
So I have shield slam x 2, execute x 2, BGH and brawl for removal. When they drop Twilight Drake, I'm not sure what's the best way to remove it? I usually shield slam or execute it depending on what I have. I'd rather save those for mountain and molten giants since I know they're coming but what else can you play on turn 4?
Dr. Boom, Alextrasza and Rag all just get Siphoned Soul'ed or BGH'ed when I drop them. Then if I do get their health down it's just healbots or Jaraxus right back up.
I'm seriously lost in this match up. What's the gameplan everyone else uses? Or is there a better control deck?
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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Drop a whirlwind and and add a second BGH. Gives you more breathing room when it comes to using your Shield Slams and Executes if you can't trade with the Drakes.
I usually only use Executes and Shield Slams as a last resort against the Drakes and their other minions. Don't be afraid if you have to because you will still have the tools to get past the Giants through effective trading and putting Rag and/or Sylvanas in the best position to do work on at least one of them. Try to keep Brawl as long as possible as well because they won't go overboard with flooding the board until you play that card and that allows you to manage the board better. And of course, do whatever you can to avoid allowing them to play the Molten Giants for free and save Harrison for Jaraxxus.
Try making your own control deck. Base it off concepts you know from other people's control decks and keep refining it until it's something you really enjoy playing. Best of all you'll have the satisfaction of getting wins of something that's completely you, rather than copied from someone else.
I realize that some may see the above paragraph as slightly condescending, but I've always been puzzled by the extreme prevalence of netdecks in Hearthstone (ok, obviously not all that puzzled, people typically enjoy winning far more than they enjoy being creative in games like these). Getting a win with a deck you copied online isn't really your win. Sure you still have to play the deck properly, but in most decks that just comes down to copying not just the deck, but also the strategy to play the deck. In a game like Starcraft, copying a build order and strategy still requires a shitload of manual dexterity and rapid-fire decision making, but in a game like Hearthstone, that element is far reduced. Because of that, I really feel the most rewarding way to play is to build something of your own and see how it stacks up to everyone else. Sure, most people are still going to be playing cookie-cutter handlocks or aggro hunters, but the feeling of victory against those decks is all the sweeter when you do it without stooping to their level.
You dont need a 2nd bgh, thats just overkill. I used the same deck as you this season for legend climb and beat handlocks on the reg. Here's what I do.
1. Keep harrison in your hand. Use for the instant win when he plays Jarraxus. Even if you discard 5 it doesn't matter. Only Grom matters.
2. Armor up, they wont be dropping jack until turn 4. Drop armorsmith and armor up, if you have a shield block you can use it turn 3.
3. If they drop a drake turn 4 you probably want to execute it. Try to not lose any armor in the process of killing it.
4. Mountain Giants can be dealt with by minions and bgh/slam.
5. Its fine to hold a 1 charge deaths bite for as long as you want. Handlocks dont run harrison and you seriously threaten lethal limiting their tapping options.
6. Try to burst them down from 14 life. Don't allow them to play free moltens, I know its tempting to take them from 15 to 4 but don't do it. Just concentrate on the board threats.
7. Save brawl for when theyre forced to put up a bunch of taunts if you can.
8. Dont rag face, save for a giant 50/50 or something.
9. Drop Shieldmaidens and Dr. Boom on empty board whenever you can. Theyre too big to ignore but a pain to siphon.
10. Draw as many cards from acolyte as possible, you need the answers as soon as you can. The easiest way to lose is to exhaust your hand too quickly.
Hope this helps.
They actually patched it to make it easier now. The deck was even worse before, somehow.
How the hell...I'm curious what is used to be.
BlackBuzzard
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This game is so fucking retarded arena vs a guy who drafted 2 recombob,Sylvannas and Sneed's. They really need to fix drafting.
There is none. I've beaten it with aggro hunter but even that's not a sure win because blastmage can wreck your day alone. That card has no business being a 5/4...
Maybe good old fashioned taunt druid?
Rosenskjold
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Ugh, control warrior is just such a disgusting deck. They have so much free armour they can just wait around until they have all the cards they need for their clear and then play all the best legendaries. Why are you rank 15 if you have legendaries that good ?
He just probably plays for dailies.
Rosenskjold
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RumblingRosco
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I got this off of a Webspinner. Am I right in saying this card totally fucking sucks?
Edit: This is a fucking thing?!
Mukla is pretty decent in aggro decks. He's not great, but he's not a bad card either.
Sneed is above average for sure, but he's also slow and weaker to Silence.
Staments like this only come from people who will never make it very far.
It's not just about winning,it's about winning as often as possible.Every percent of winrate matters.
Orginal deck are not getting you anyway,unless you are really,really good,but chances aren't good enough.
You will either have to switch to something else or your deck will look more and more like the netdecks you apperenly dislike so much.
The biggest problem with sneed is slyannas,otherwise it would be good against control.
Dr Boom is broken,the other 2 are just very good.
I would say Shredder is broken. Especially in arena. Belcher is in every deck so I don't know how that is not an op card. People are salty about Boom because he's a legendary and most people don't have the card. Nobody whines about commons and rares that are broken.
Sneeds problem is that he's just a fatter and slower Cairne and nobody plays Cairne anymore.
Yep. Dr. Boom is OP, but they really need to tweak Shredder and Belcher first.
And undertaker, and blastmage etc... but it's blizzards plan that the hero specific cards can be OP because they can balance it out with how the class plays.
Also if you guys want a new deck archetype that actually is top tier stuff then try Lifecoaches new warlock deck. It crushes the meta atm.
Shredder is maybe a little bit too good,as in 1 point of attack or defence.
That doesn't mean Belcher is op.It's a sin'jin + footman for the mana cost of sin'jin + footman.Makes perfect sense to me.
I have Boom and I think it's too damn good.It's (more or less) a 9/9 deal 2-8 damage for 7.
No other cards is even remotely this good.
Undertaker says hello. So many stats for so little mana.
Rag is an 8/8 deal 8 damage straight away. Though I admit Boom os better than rag because of the actual bot minions it summons. In any case legendaries are one offs and people already play double bgh for dr booms. The commons and rares are two offs and set the pace of the game earlier.
Minsc
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The problem with Rag is:
1), it's just 1 random effect, so Rag is worthless if they have a full board, where Doom is not
2) Rag dies even easier to BGH
3) Rag dies especially painfully to Faceless or another Rag... way more painfully than Doom does, as where faceless would give your opponent a 7/7 you could trade yours in to, now faceless gave your opponent a Rag that eliminated your Rag for free.
4) Rag hurts more when Mind Controlled.
5) Rag won't really help much vs aggro.
And to top it off, Rag actually costs more to play than Doom.
Granted there are some positive aspects for Rag over Doom, like it can get around taunt (if you're lucky), but overall Doom is just so much more versatile and easier to play. Playing Rag on an open board can be a big waste if you don't have a counter in your hand to Rag (see point 3), but Doom is basically never a bad play.
AntiFacebook
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WTF? Kelthuzad is unplayable?
FiveSix4Three
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Didn't want to resort to bombarding customer support, but with the issue of not being able to 'accept' my rewards from arena and start a new one for two days now..i suppose I have to.
Do it.They usually give you free cards.
Belcher is strong but not overpowered, he only finds himself in every deck because the 5 slot is traditionally quite weak. If there were more good 5 drops he wouldn't be so prevalent.
He's not in any of the top tier decks ATM. His effect is quite powerful but he's generally considered too slow and too expensive to fit in most decks.
Belcher isn't broken it's just one of the best cards at slowing down face aggro decks. A 3/7 with taunt at 5 cost would be balanced and even better.
Sneed's is good, but the RNG on summoning a random legendary along with his weak initial stats can really make him annoying to play. Many legendaries have a strong battle cry or condition that needs to be met to make them useful. That's why I don't think Sneed is crazy powerful, his RNG keeps him in check.
Dr. Boom is in almost all of my decks. He combos with lots of different strategies and has no glaring weakness. A stat reduction or cost increase and he'll be fine, but right now he has too much going for him.
- BGH - Leaves 2 bombs to clean up hunter and damage can kill another card, possible 2 for 1
- Bombs can clean up minions that traded well allowing you to reclaim the board
- 3 minions allows for bigger Buffs in token decks
- 3 minion summon combos well with Sea Giant decks
- Death Rattles combo well with Undertaker decks
- 7/7 minion is strong enough to draw removal allowing higher cost plays to be made more safely
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