RumblingRosco
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Bugged? I feel like that's exactly how it should work.
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Bugged? I feel like that's exactly how it should work.
Fixed1979
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Just a heads up, posted the thread for the new NA tournament. Doesn't start until the 20th so no rush on signing up but if you're interested you now have lots of time to figure out your decks.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=990056
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=990056
partyphone
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no it should reverse the healing effect not hit you for -1 until you die.
warsong commander is also bugged. she no longer gives charge to summoned minions.
They've said soulpriest + Mistress of Pain is working as intended. The heal effect is also considered damage done by the Mistress, so it keeps hitting until the player dies.
partyphone
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that doesn't make sense...
edit: oh so they count the proc as the card dealing damage. seems like an accurate yet totally lame way to implement that.
Sure it does. Soulpriest turns healing effects into damage effects.
1. Mistress does damage to something.
2. This triggers the heal of your hero on the card text.
3. Instead of healing, it does damage because of the Soulpirest.
4. Mistress just did damage again so it goes back to step 2.
ProtoCents
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Yeah, I wasn't even mad when it happened. Should have realized that both of those cards would result in a disaster.
RumblingRosco
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Basically, if a Priest has a Auchenai Soulpriest out and then pulls a Mistress of Pain from a Piloted Shredder, you win instantly if you send one of your minions into their Mistress of Pain or attack their Mistress of Pain with your weapon. The Priest would have to kill/silence their Auchenai or destroy their Mistress with a spell/silence it in order to not lose.
It'd be more logical to attribute that damage to Soulpriest's effects, not Mistress's direct damage.
The way these cards SHOULD behave is have -X HP done to yourself after Mistress deals X damage. A single instance, and that's it.
But card text is never clear in Hearthstone, so who knows if this is how they intended the behavior.
No it shouldn't.Soulpruests effect is passive.
It changes the rules,but doesn't deal damage by itself.
Please do. We definitely need more people running this exact deck.
Exactly.
I usually play control priest and paladin, I can play the scumbag mage deck for a change if I want to.
Kisses.
I went against a paladin once who, before trading his boulderfist ogre, gave it divine shield. Then the turn after. Then the turn after. We were only around 15 cards deep so he either had a shitload of them or just drew into them perfectly, but it wrecked me hard.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I think mech priest should work honestly. I know I have lost to it before. Proactive priest decks tend to snowball fast when they work.
In fact, I'm thinking about making a mech priest deck right now. I hope I have the cards to build it all.
My goal will be beating both shaman and mage mech decks. Then I'll start to think about other decks.
Just because Soulpriest's effect is passive doesn't mean it's not the cause of the damage. it is the cause. "It doesn't deal damage by itself." The same thing is true for Mistress, so I don't see your point here. The only direct damage that Mistress deals is through its Attack attribute. Any healing its effect causes should only be related to damage dealt with it actively.
That's like saying that (an applied) Blessing of Wisdom should draw a card every time Knife Juggler's effect takes place.
It probably helps to think of Soulpriest's effect as a replacement effect, to use Magic terminology, and I'm confident that's the idea they had in mind in design and implementation.
Thank you.
I couldn't stop laughing.
I'm trying to think of a situation where this could happen in magic, something along the lines of "When you gain life from lifelink, lose that much life instead". But I don't think an effect like that would trigger over and over like it does here.
The first part "dealing damage to gain life" is looping into the heal part instead of replacing it for one trigger. Seems a bit weird that converted "healing" counts as the Mistress dealing damage again.
FAKE EDIT: I guess it's because magic has this clause:
I could imagine a pair of Hearthstone cards with a similar effect just doing an "activation" animation over and over forever, lol.
Today ive been giving warrior a shot made a quick 10-0 followed by a equally quick 0-7. Luckily the winning strike made me finish 3 full ranks. Already on 10. Time to get serious.
Im missing baron geddon using as legendaries, alexstrasza, grommash, ragnaros, dr boom, harrison and sylvanas. Would love to use ysera also but dont have her. I was using Cairne and Kel thuzad before instead of ragnaros and a second shield maiden but they were unimpresive.
Also played more bots today, its starting to be a plague.
Im missing baron geddon using as legendaries, alexstrasza, grommash, ragnaros, dr boom, harrison and sylvanas. Would love to use ysera also but dont have her. I was using Cairne and Kel thuzad before instead of ragnaros and a second shield maiden but they were unimpresive.
Also played more bots today, its starting to be a plague.
My main double combo druid deck does really well against mech mage (just crushed a golden portrait mech mage) and oil rogue but I'm getting destroyed by mech shaman pretty consistently. Ugh, I thought I was going to have a great season. Went 9-1 the day before everyone started using mech shaman.
What do you think is better in the current meta, Black Knight or Harrison? Using Harrison at the moment but thinking of subbing him out for BK.
What do you think is better in the current meta, Black Knight or Harrison? Using Harrison at the moment but thinking of subbing him out for BK.
This is the closest.
And it's designed not to trigger creatures with Lifelink infinitely.
There's also the Sanguine Blood/Exquisite Blood combo.
TimeEffect
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Ugh, Kel Thuzad is the most annoying card ever.
FiveSix4Three
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So far so good in this arena. 6-0 start.
Went priest and my deck is fairly solid, but my 3 drops are really lackluster. Velen's chosen is my saving grace at the 3 spot.
6-3 inc.
Went priest and my deck is fairly solid, but my 3 drops are really lackluster. Velen's chosen is my saving grace at the 3 spot.
6-3 inc.
This is the closest.
And it's designed not to trigger creatures with Lifelink infinitely.
There's also the Sanguine Blood/Exquisite Blood combo.
I would play so much magic if their digital format wasn't garbage.
TimeEffect
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Can someone tell me, why is Magic considered to be more skilled? Can anyone explain?
FiveSix4Three
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Magic's flavor texts are the best. I hate how hearthstone always tries to be comical, but i guess it fits better. /shrug
It's just been around a lot longer, so there are naturally more developed mechanics and cards.
Main reason would be the different phases of each turn and the ability of the opponent to react with cards during your turn and block your attackers with their choice of minion.
As a whole, there are just a ton more pieces to work with, strategy-wise.
Mobius and pet octopus
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6-2 with my mech priest deck, it is casual but still showing to work is promising.
I complain, but of course, I added mechs to my main deck as wellI usually play control priest and paladin, I can play the scumbag mage deck for a change if I want to.
Kisses.
TimeEffect
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So far so good going 5-0 in arena with this draft, just some crazy synergy.
What website is this from?
Thanks
Is there something inherently more strategic about magic though?
Can hearthstone become more strategic with new rules? I am curious because I keep hearing Hearthstone is very luck based
There's a lot of reasons but primarily, it's because players get to take actions during other players' turns, exponentially increasing the amount of decision making per turn.
What website is this from?
Thanks
It's from heartharena.
Hearthstone has little rng, at least compared to the CCG genre. The supposed high variance of cards like the shredder's is offset(at least compared to MtG) by the game having far less resource variance(land flood/screw ruins way more MtG matches than Doomsayers ruin HS matches). Most people I've seen cite being unable to interact on your opponent's turn as a major reason why the game requires less skill, but all that means is that the skills involved are different. Play shifts around the idea that you can't break your opponent's sequences, and also Hearthstone places a greater emphasis around sequencing of your own plays generally speaking.
I'm not going to argue which game requires more skill, but they are both far more skill based than luck based(they just happen to emphasize different skills). More rules doesn't necessarily equal more depth.
FiveSix4Three
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Magic has somewhat been dumbed down in recent years with the removal of stacking damage.
It was justified, though. It was hard for newer players to come in and be bombarded with all of the intricate rules in competitive play. It was just more headache than it was worth.
It was justified, though. It was hard for newer players to come in and be bombarded with all of the intricate rules in competitive play. It was just more headache than it was worth.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I don't think that makes it more skilled. Asynchronous turns has its own set of challenges.
It is difficult to straight up compare the two card games even though they have some similarities, there are a lot of things that set them apart.
Man, I'm 5-0 playing my most fun arena-deck ever. Rogue with a lot of draw, Fel Reaver, Cold Blood, Oil, 2x Deckhands.
Never had such an odd deck do so well. Fel Reaver just wrecks people on turn 5.
Never had such an odd deck do so well. Fel Reaver just wrecks people on turn 5.
Got Humility on it in the fourth game, but I easily bursted him down before he could fatigue me. Took like 3 turns of fatigue.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I think the interesting part about fel reaver is that it really does make card draw valuable since you're gonna run out of cards faster than you can fill your hand anyway. At the same time it means your aggression is lowered because you're drawing cards. But with the right deck I can see this working out despite being kinda counter intuitive and a bit wonky at times.
I saw a druid running fel reaver play kibler though, and he had set it up so his wailing soul silenced the reaver and his ogre the same turn. Pretty neat.
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