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Super Nothing
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I had a Handlock play Sylvanas + Power Overwhelming when I had Tirion out. It turns out that Warlocks can attack with weapons twice in the same turn if they have a weapon equipped and then play Jaraxxus after the first attack. I still won because I had a ton of Recruits out that had been buffed by Quartermaster, but I had no idea that you could do that.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
So messed up... I am wrecking a hunter with the shaman deck, about to KT + reincarnate... and out of shredder pops mana wraith...
Like a 1/70 chance to win the game due to rng... he gets it.
Like a 1/70 chance to win the game due to rng... he gets it.
Everything was mech.
I guess my game plan now is just to complete the daily quests and then stop playing. Do this until I get a large # of packs (i.e. play daily for many months). Minimize my time spent and I get to unwind.
Haunted
Member
I can't think of a non-epic or legendary that has provided me with so much combo potential and solid extra over so many different classes.
Such a good card.
Defender of Argus?
The Lamonster
Member
what does "soaking up removal" even mean
There is so much slang for this game, I never know what anybody's talking about in this thread. None of these terms actually exist in-game. No cards refer to a "face hunter" or "zoo warlock." It's like you have to watch streams of other people playing (boring) to know any of this stuff.
My wife has probably put around 300+ hours into this game and she would most certainly give me a blank stare if I asked her if she prefers an aggro deck or a control deck. Where do you learn this stuff in the first place?
There is so much slang for this game, I never know what anybody's talking about in this thread. None of these terms actually exist in-game. No cards refer to a "face hunter" or "zoo warlock." It's like you have to watch streams of other people playing (boring) to know any of this stuff.
My wife has probably put around 300+ hours into this game and she would most certainly give me a blank stare if I asked her if she prefers an aggro deck or a control deck. Where do you learn this stuff in the first place?
Gaming lingo and jargon isn't specific to Hearthstone, my man. You'll run into this with any community or fanbase. Melee is pretty crazy with their terms. Hearthstone's in comparison are very simple and easy to grasp.
"Soak up removal."
Pretty easy to figure out. What is removal? Removing a minion/threat from the board using spells. Soak up? Same idea as baiting/wasting. Basically, if the opponent is using a removal spell on a card like Knife Juggler, which is two mana, that's a good bait or soaking of their removal spells. It makes it safer for your later game threats.
It's relevant because some spells in this game flat out destroy minions for very little mana cost. In other cases, like Fireball, you'll be glad to see that used on a Yeti or other relatively cheap minion with threatening stat distribution. It's about value.
Agro? Aggression. Agro deck = deck that goes for the hurt, doesn't wait it out and play the control game.
Zoo is just an infestation of minions. "Zoolock" is Warlock decks using the zoo archetype. Just cheap minion after minion. Mech Mage is practically zoo, really.
And so on.
Card game jargon. If you didn't play other card games, you just pick it up from others who did and are discussing the game online. Pretty much the same thing for any community over time.
Most hearthstone slang is rather straightforward. You just have to work out the phrase. Removal is a spell/minion/tool that clears a threat from the board. If you got the other player to make a low value play with their expensive removal, you "soaked" it up.
Mobius and pet octopus
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KJ is probably my most despised card from the classic set. I understand its strength and why it is ran, but hate the RNG that accompanies it as well as the high amount of value it plays into combos ran by several decks.
No, no, no, and that's not what I'm saying.
To be fair, I have no problem with face hunter, mech mage, zoo, etc. Anything, really, I don't give a shit, because I know these decks all have counters.
Obviously I know you can't make a deck that beats everything - that'd be funny actually. It's just that RNG in this game, due to multiple factors tied to the game's design, tends to favor fast decks with a low curve (not to mention the quest system which heavily favors you winning games quickly, but that's something else entirely).
call_kotaku
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The fact that it could always hit face and you'd almost never want it to hit face is what's really frustrating about the card; there's always atleast a fairly good chance that you don't get the proc you want. Getting a large amount of damage as a bonus for unleash the hounds or trading a creeper is great, it's just really hard for me because I get greedy and want to use the card strategically.
It does create potential for tremendously beneficial RNG, which freaks people right out. I just have a hard time judging when you put it down just to force my opponent to remove it or when to try to go for big plays.
I can't really recount the history of Hearthstone deck tiers off the top of my head, but I'm fairly sure the times when Control was top were some of the worst times in the meta. The exceptions might be the last 2 times unleash the hounds was broken.
The Lamonster
Member
Gotcha, thanks!
Makes sense because I do already use that strategy...everyone freaks out at Micro Machine so that might be another good example of trying to soak up removal.
Sounds like my main deck is a 'control warlock.' Lots of demons and fun spells that keep me alive for a really long time.
Tbh, outside of aggro decks being better for quests / ranking up, I don't see a problem in the current metagame. Every class and archetype is represented - well except priests - but fuck those thieving bastards anyway.
Exactly, I love the face Hunter deck you showed me! It's helped a new player like me win so many more games now, much more fun
I've never played any card games before so I'm casual and don't want a complex deck or complex thinking in games, that's no fun to me
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I feel like with some work I can get this shaman reincarnate deck to be alright (58.3% winrate over 13 games, only played 2 with version 1.1 though which made a lot of changes).
I'm not really feeling crackle though. I guess just bad RNG since every time I used it (except once when I hit 7 when it didn't matter) I lost the coin flip and it was just bad. I even lost several coin flips in a row with shaman rng, and still won some of those matches.
I'll actually post the list though and both versions in a minute:
I was finding that in a lot of my matches I was building a pretty strong board so naturally my thoughts go to bloodlust. In the match that I drew it, it won me the game easily.
I am running 2x reincarnate which is something I didn't see other lists doing since it is quite situational and the deck doesn't have a lot of draw. But so far I am digging it. The 1.1 version prob needs more draw than the 1.2 version simply because 2x zombie chow and 1x bloodlust was added, but cutting both loot hoarders for more impactful card draw should help. I might cut blood lust for a second azure drake after further testing.
I'm not really feeling crackle though. I guess just bad RNG since every time I used it (except once when I hit 7 when it didn't matter) I lost the coin flip and it was just bad. I even lost several coin flips in a row with shaman rng, and still won some of those matches.
I'll actually post the list though and both versions in a minute:
I was finding that in a lot of my matches I was building a pretty strong board so naturally my thoughts go to bloodlust. In the match that I drew it, it won me the game easily.
I am running 2x reincarnate which is something I didn't see other lists doing since it is quite situational and the deck doesn't have a lot of draw. But so far I am digging it. The 1.1 version prob needs more draw than the 1.2 version simply because 2x zombie chow and 1x bloodlust was added, but cutting both loot hoarders for more impactful card draw should help. I might cut blood lust for a second azure drake after further testing.
RumblingRosco
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I feel like with some work I can get this shaman reincarnate deck to be alright (58.3% winrate over 13 games, only played 2 with version 1.1 though which made a lot of changes).
I'm not really feeling crackle though. I guess just bad RNG since every time I used it (except once when I hit 7 when it didn't matter) I lost the coin flip and it was just bad. I even lost several coin flips in a row with shaman rng, and still won some of those matches.
I'll actually post the list though and both versions in a minute:
I was finding that in a lot of my matches I was building a pretty strong board so naturally my thoughts go to bloodlust. In the match that I drew it, it won me the game easily.
I am running 2x reincarnate which is something I didn't see other lists doing since it is quite situational and the deck doesn't have a lot of draw. But so far I am digging it. The 1.1 version prob needs more draw than the 1.2 version simply because 2x zombie chow and 1x bloodlust was added, but cutting both loot hoarders for more impactful card draw should help. I might cut blood lust for a second azure drake after further testing.
What do you combo reincarnate with? KT + anything, Sylvanas, and I guess Haunted Creepers? Seems like that's not a lot of options to combo with, so I'd really just stick to a single Reincarnate and toss back in a Crackle... I really think the potential for extra reach from Crackle + Thalnos/Spell Power Totem/Azure Drake can change a game for you. Alternatively, throw in a Doomhammer instead of the Crackle which can help clear some small stuff or do some nasty burst with a Rockbiter.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Don't forget I can reincarnate alakir for a 2 mana fireball (pyroblast if flametongue totem is present).
I just felt like going more all-in on a reincarnate strategy. After all, I wanted a reincarnate for a sylvanas and KT at anyway, alakir if neither of those work out. I think I can make it work and I'll probably keep trying next time I feel like some shaman.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Eggs is a good idea I'll have to think about next time. Thx for the suggestion.
I'm playing control hunter and it's fun whilst not being rush centric (don't think I'll ever find aggro decks fun to play), much more competitive/viable than priest which is by far my favourite class but it's just not great in this meta, would be nice if it could come off shit tier for a while.
umm wat the heck... wat kind of words are in your version of the game??
tylerf
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Turn 10 Velen + Holy Smite + Mind Blast for 14 damage. No one ever expects it.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I just spent about all my luck for a week into a single play. The hated opponent priest has 7 minions on board. A bunch of crap basically, some stolen from me, plus sylvanas.
If I knew my next card would be lightning storm, I would have waited a turn. But I felt the chances would not get much better. So I do the sylvanas + reincarnate play and I get his sylvanas!
Then next turn I get spell power totem and lightning storm, I pop his egg with the storm, kill his dark cultist with his stolen sylvanas, which buffs the nerubian spider to 4/7 before it gets stolen by sylvanas.
Seriously though, I hate playing against priest with shaman so I don't even feel bad for the guy losing a 1/7 dice roll, especially since earlier in the day I lost a game because mana wraith came out of shredder which prevented KT + reincarnate.
If I knew my next card would be lightning storm, I would have waited a turn. But I felt the chances would not get much better. So I do the sylvanas + reincarnate play and I get his sylvanas!
Then next turn I get spell power totem and lightning storm, I pop his egg with the storm, kill his dark cultist with his stolen sylvanas, which buffs the nerubian spider to 4/7 before it gets stolen by sylvanas.
Seriously though, I hate playing against priest with shaman so I don't even feel bad for the guy losing a 1/7 dice roll, especially since earlier in the day I lost a game because mana wraith came out of shredder which prevented KT + reincarnate.
Velen Mind Blast Coin Mind Blast.
Sounds like something Kirblar would say. I asked him why does HS have so much RNG and he said that due to the nature of the game, if there wasn't any RNG (minus the RNG from card drawing of course) in the game then most games would play out the same way and would create a larger gap between top players and non top players.Oh my god did someone just call deck consistency a problem now.
Servbot #42
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This just happened to me, i had a full board and he only had a rag...he used brawl and rag lived for an exact lethal. Honestly i wasn't even mad that's just amazing
fucking hacks
Squelch should be a default option just like muting kids playing Call of Duty or Halo.
It's been so ingrained to me to squelch before every game manually that I kept trying to squelch the Naxxramas bosses.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
Makes it hard to make friends with the cool people who do play, though : |
Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
I hear you guys. Maybe I should. I just enjoy interacting with people who aren't idiots, and have made many friends this way. I guess I could do it on a case per case basis.
By taunt system... you surely can't mean the limited 6 emotes?? If so, what's the big fucking deal about those? It's not even close to a full chat system which would be much worse
I love the 6 emotes
Singularity42
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wow guess I should have avoided trying to do my dailies tonight. Casual was just legend cardback after legend cardback. I should have just conceded at the beginning of every match instead of wasting 3 hours of my life to get exactly 1 win. Sure my decks suck but I always manage to get my dailies done in a reasonable amount of time. I even stooped so low as to make a face hunter deck to get my only win of the night. I hate playing hunter. When ramming your head against a brick wall makes you miserable that's when you need to just stop playing and go whine about it on forums.
Casual MMR is bullshit. Sodium levels are at an all time high.
I'll be back for my fix tomorrow afternoon.
Casual MMR is bullshit. Sodium levels are at an all time high.
I'll be back for my fix tomorrow afternoon.
Tomorrow might be the unveiling of the new Hearthstone expansion and in the spirit of fun I ask everyone to suggest one card that they would want to see from the expansion (can use mechanics not seen in the game yet).
My idea:
Priest minion
4 mana cost
3 attack, 6 defense
Ability: Gain Taunt if the enemy has two or more minions
Basically this card is meant to cover two weaknesses of the Priest:
*No good 4 drop option that Priest can drop on that turn.
*Situational options to counter aggro.
The high health makes it a great combination for the Priests and a great pick in Arena as it's basically a Water Elemental but instead of Freeze it can have Taunt.
Nothing too exciting, just a very solid minion.
My idea:
Priest minion
4 mana cost
3 attack, 6 defense
Ability: Gain Taunt if the enemy has two or more minions
Basically this card is meant to cover two weaknesses of the Priest:
*No good 4 drop option that Priest can drop on that turn.
*Situational options to counter aggro.
The high health makes it a great combination for the Priests and a great pick in Arena as it's basically a Water Elemental but instead of Freeze it can have Taunt.
Nothing too exciting, just a very solid minion.
Its ok, I bought a couple of pity packs and pulled a Golden Hemit Nessingwary, Now I can finally craft Alex.
call_kotaku
Member
Priest Cards:
9-mana legendary, stats don't matter
At the start of your next turn, swap health totals with your opponent
(Because why the fuck not. If your opponent doesn't kill it you get to swap health, if you don't manage to kill him next turn you'll just swap health again)
5-mana minion, 3/3
Draw 2 cards, both cards become Thoughtsteal
(Because thoughtsteal is the most fun thing about playing Priest)
Aww yiss, 3k gold saved up. I'll be ready for whatever they announce tomorrow even if they do a surprise release next tuesday. Which is what they need to do if they want people to spend real money. Teasing cards for months or weeks gives people too much time to save up gold.
I don't think this card would be very good. It's basically a Cone of Cold except that it doesn't do any damage and you can't actually position it yourself to make it most optimum.
If it did 1 damage to those minions then it might be more competitive.
I am doing the same, got 1K gold saved up.
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