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[Gotchaye]

The change to Leeroy certainly seems like it'll put him more into line with Rocketeer, Argent Commander, and Arcane Golem.

The Buzzard nerf looks to completely change the way Hunter plays, though. Used to be they could draw a whole bunch of cards with 5-7 mana, and Hunter decks tended to be really fast and made use of a lot of digging cards to get the combo. Now they need 8 mana to draw with UTH, so they're going to need to play slower if they want to have cards in the turns before that. A lot of low-cost mana-efficient cards just got a lot less appealing.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

Well there are already more aggressive, almost aggro midrange hunters not even using Buzzard. So hunter is just gonna be more aggro based.

 

[Professor Lich]

Well, I guess individual auras is how Blizzard balances in house then. Pretty cool we got a glimpse of that thanks to a glitch.

Wonder what will happen to the meta now though.

 

[johnsmith]

Really tempted to put bloodfens in my midrange deck now that I unlocked gold ones.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

So forsen is running miracle rogue without leeroy and is legend rank 19.

edit:
now 17

 

[Haly]

So forsen is running miracle rogue without leeroy and is legend rank 19.

edit:
now 17

Malygod or what?

 

[Zafir]

Malygod or what?

He was using belchers when I checked in.

Decklist here - http://gyazo.com/9d92fbbee8c7e48cf60e4c98d9da95e2

Not sure if he's updated it since. I swapped over to the qualifiers.

 

[BananasWithGuns]

Wow are you kidding me.

I was sitting on 3 Leeroys for months and I just disenchanted them the other day because I never thought they'd nerf it since he didn't seem like much of a problem after all the Naxx stuff came out. Man, that is heartbreaking.

 

[kirblar]

Well, I guess individual auras is how Blizzard balances in house then. Pretty cool we got a glimpse of that thanks to a glitch.

Wonder what will happen to the meta now though.

Glitch? I must have missed something.

 

[FormallyFamicom]

So, nonstop hunters on the ladder until the nerf bat comes down?

 

[johnsmith]

He was using belchers when I checked in.

Decklist here - http://gyazo.com/9d92fbbee8c7e48cf60e4c98d9da95e2

Not sure if he's updated it since. I swapped over to the qualifiers.

Interesting that he's not running sinister strikes in that since he usually does.

 

[Officerrob]

Just got home from work and saw the nerfs, holy shit they took the buzzard out back and shot it!!! I couldn't be happier...

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

Malygod or what?

I'm not watching that closely, mostly watching the qualifiers. But he is up to rank 10 now.

 

[Haly]

I kind of get it. It recycles the Miracle engine for a minion based strategy. No more flashy one turn plays, but it can still fuck with the other board like no one's business. Basically Miracle whenever Leeroy is the 30th card.

Might have to craft VanCleef after this nerf, it's doing work.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

I kind of get it. It recycles the Miracle engine for a minion based strategy. No more flashy one turn plays, but it can still fuck with the other board like no one's business. So, basically Miracle whenever Leeroy is the 30th card.

Might have to craft VanCleef after this nerf, it's doing work.

Honestly it looks a bit like rogue decks I have run in the past but with auctioneer. Between coldblood, eviscerate, and conceal, in that deck you don't necessarily need a charge like leeroy although I would prefer to see at least one charge minion to make use of cold blood in a pinch.

 

[Haly]

Maybe it'll still run Leeroy, but no Shadowstep. Just Leeroy + Cold Blood for a 6 mana Pyroblast.

RIP Shadowstep's relevance. Back to the dumpster with Kidnapper.

 

[ZealousD]

Couldn't Miracle adapt by moving to the Mana Addict variety too? Doesn't that variant move a lot of the pressure off Leeroy?

 

[Haly]

They're very vulnerable to AoE or just plain removal, since you need them to stick for a turn. That's why the Addict version might run two Conceals. The other problem is that if you're using your spells to dig for answers with Auctioneer, then you have less spells to use with the Addicts. Auctioneer usually wants one Conceal as well. It can be strong, and it's a blast to play, but it's very inconsistent and being inconsistent is not what you want in a ladder deck or a tournament deck.

 

[lawlohwhat]

So, nonstop hunters on the ladder until the nerf bat comes down?

time to load up your priest decks

 

[partyphone]

They're very vulnerable to AoE or just plain removal, since you need them to stick for a turn. That's why the Addict version might run two Conceals. The other problem is that if you're using your spells to dig for answers with Auctioneer, then you have less spells to use with the Addicts. Auctioneer usually wants one Conceal as well. It can be strong, and it's a blast to play, but it's very inconsistent and being inconsistent is not what you want in a ladder deck or a tournament deck.

yeah it's a super fun deck. love doing 50+ damage in a single turn.

i started had more success with it by shadowstepping mana addict when you get that combo early so that you can play her for 0 when you finally have auctioneer/conceal. it's still wildly inconsistent.

this non-leeroy miracle deck is actually pretty fun to play. for now at least. no one expects sludge belcher.

 

[Haly]

Sludge Belcher is so much god damn value. Singlehandedly slows down games to a crawl.

 

[Kotetsu534]

There's few common cards I love seeing more in an arena draft. Can never have too much Sludge.

 

[Ashodin]

Hey guys I just heard about the nerfs

Is Haly mad yet

 

[Cipherr]

So, nonstop hunters on the ladder until the nerf bat comes down?

Oh absolutely, the nerf is the 22nd, they are all going to want to shoot for Legend with the cheese decks before then. Its going to be 3 times as bad once the word spreads all they way until the buzzer.

 

[I'm an expert]

Boo, should have kept my golden leeroy..



Nahhhhhhhhhh

 

[IceMarker]

I am happy with both nerfs!

 

[I'm an expert]

Couldn't Miracle adapt by moving to the Mana Addict variety too? Doesn't that variant move a lot of the pressure off Leeroy?

I primarily play the addict version of miracle when I rogue and have about 250 ranked wins with it. Insanely fun, insanely draw dependent and less reliable than standard miracle. Addict dies easily, even through stealth and you really have to be on point with how you mulligan. If your first or second cards are dead draws, you lost since Leeroy than becomes your only source of dmg. To be fair though, I've only tweaked it slightly since Naxx. It could use a real revisit to see if maybe shade of naxx has synergy with the otk.

 

[zaxon]

Holy crap. Just saw about the nerfs on Twitch chat and assumed it had to be trolling. Insane that they're finally giving in on Leeroy. What changed their mind? He's always been overpowered, but I haven't been seeing him as much post-naxx.

 

[I'm an expert]

Holy crap. Just saw about the nerfs on Twitch chat and assumed it had to be trolling. Insane that they're finally giving in on Leeroy. What changed their mind? He's always been overpowered, but I haven't been seeing him as much post-naxx.

Probably the fact that even after naxx and cards like belcher, the original handlock deck could still set up easy otk faceless combos.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

So I wonder what people will complain about next.

I just played a hunter who friended me and I felt like accepting to see how salty he was (I knew he was salty since he timed out on his last turn).

And he was soooo salty. He must be in a very emotional state due to seeing buzzard nerfed.

 

[Officerrob]

So I wonder what people will complain about next.

I just played a hunter who friended me and I felt like accepting to see how salty he was (I knew he was salty since he timed out on his last turn).

And he was soooo salty. He must be in a very emotional state due to seeing buzzard nerfed.

Warlock hero power, still probably the most op thing in the game

 

[lawlohwhat]

arena is such a ripoff when you get a horrible pool

 

[Q8D3vil]

buzzard nerf is very excessive imo, i fucking hate hunter but that nerf is fucking hardcore.
but It means that hunters number and win rate is extremely fucked up.

 

[Haunted]

To disenchant Leeroy or not disenchant Leeroy.

I still don't have Cairne or the good class legendaries...

 

[I'm an expert]

To disenchant Leeroy or not disenchant Leeroy.

I still don't have Cairne or the good class legendaries...

It will still serve a purpose. I'd hold off.

 

[Frenden]

buzzard nerf is very excessive imo, i fucking hate hunter but that nerf is fucking hardcore.
but It means that hunters number and win rate is extremely fucked up.

I greatly disliked the last two Hunter metas enough to stop playing entirely, so this is welcome news for me.

And they totally nuked Buzzard from orbit. Like, there aren't even ashes left.

 

[lawlohwhat]

buzzard nerf makes me so happy

i'm farming a warlock bot that has a hover function... it sits the cursor over the hero power for 3-4 seconds and then taps

easy money

 

[Zemm]

 

[ShinNL]

Board interaction sure is a bother, isn't it?

I said it before and will say it again: Zoo is the fairest popular deck out there. You can taunt against it, you can clear it.

Miracle Rogue was BS
(GTFO with that Sap and then burst)
Hunter is a cheesy POS
(GTFO with your Buzzard UTH)
Druid is still BS
(Oh I have lethal with 2 Harvest Golem because I skill draw 2 certain cards in my deck that aren't even Legendary)

People always find excuses to get easy wins and skip more than 50% of the game.

Vs Miracle Rogue you basically have a life total of 12hp.

Vs Hunter you never had the board, lol

Vs Druid you have a life total of 16hp and every minion should be considered a Fire Elemental.


Such fun, such skills.

 

[kirblar]

In MTG, the game can be about areas of the game other than the board and still be a good game. (It's a strength, as "what the matchup is about" will vary wildly.) In Hearthstone, the limitations of the game make it so that you NEED the game to be about the board, otherwise, the game just devolves into stupidity.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

Frankly I am starting to look forward to the change. But I am still a little put off with it at the same time. Personally it is like a sweet sweet thing that is happening to hearthstone. But it is hard to enjoy that sweetness since I feel like they went too hard. Even the leeroy change could have been made to be 7/2 instead of 6/2 to compensate for the higher cost is what lies in the back of my mind.

edit:
And maybe they are doing it this way, over-nerfing, so that if they need to dial it back they dial it back just a bit instead of under-nerfing and still facing the same issues and having to nerf again like they did with UTH. Who knows...

Warlock hero power, still probably the most op thing in the game

Perhaps. I mean, I disagree with it being OP. But I could see warlock hero power being the next thing, especially since handlocks might see a rise in play.

People really overstate the strength of card draw when they ignore the fact that they're paying 2hp and 2 mana to do nothing but draw a card.

Echoing ooze is like playing a 1/2 that draws and then plays a free 1/2. Warlock hero power gets no minion, instead of putting out 2 attack power it takes 2 attack power, and leaves no bodies to absorb hits from minions.

Of course warlock's hero power isn't bad. But it isn't OP either.

 

[Rockyrock]

should have at least made it a 4/2. Not that I care what happens to hunter but 5 mana 3/2.....

 

[bjaelke]

Buzzard change is utter rubbish. They should have changed the draw mechanic to "draw 1 card per played beast card" instead.

 

[Xanathus]

I feel like the buzzard change wasn't really well thought out and is more of a temporary change in order to force everyone to stop playing hunter for awhile and to give the devs time to rethink the hunter class as a whole. They effectively just removed the buzzard card completely from the game and might as well have made it cost 11 mana. Anyway I expect meta to switch back to the mid-Naxx meta before Mad Scientist came out, but with even less Miracle Rogue, so expect 50% of the games to be Zoo.

 

[GeoGonzo]

Warlock hero power, still probably the most op thing in the game

Probably this. Maybe it would work okay as "Draw two cards next turn"?

 

[Acidote]

To disenchant Leeroy or not disenchant Leeroy.

I still don't have Cairne or the good class legendaries...

As with every nerfed card that returns full dust value... disenchant it and wait to see if it's still relevant. If it is, you just craft it again, if it is not, you craft something else.

 

[Q8D3vil]

I feel like the buzzard change wasn't really well thought out and is more of a temporary change in order to force everyone to stop playing hunter for awhile and to give the devs time to rethink the hunter class as a whole. They effectively just removed the buzzard card completely from the game and might as well have made it cost 11 mana. Anyway I expect meta to switch back to the mid-Naxx meta before Mad Scientist came out, but with even less Miracle Rogue, so expect 50% of the games to be Zoo.

They did it now because they dont want it to ruin their tournament. Funny because it ruined so many tournaments and made the game almost unplayable pre-nax.

 

[call_kotaku]

I'm still sort of amazed at the amount of salt this game produces

 

[Zemm]

A 1v1 game with a certain amount of RNG will always get people angry at some point.

 

[Cipherr]

Probably this. Maybe it would work okay as "Draw two cards next turn"?

Nah, all they have to do is make it draw the card after you END your turn. So you have to think ahead a little more and you aren't allowed to just top deck and then instantly play something.