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All you need is for whoever is playing shaman to not play trueheart and let that go to the priest otherwise it's just gg on the spot
it kinda evens when he does the 4-5 damage to all minions or when he does 30 damage to all minions
Not really. He was talking about his experience in 150 or so games since the adventure hit, which if you've seen his stream is the reason for his recent frustration with the mode. The reason there was a 30% difference is because he is relatively good at the game and has a good winrate (above the average) against Mages when going first.
His gripe is when going second, and the above chart corroborates that. There's a 9% average difference across classes, which is a lot. It's also still the most picked class by a large margin. You don't need a 4 million game sample to come to that conclusion either.
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thepotatoman
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Form his personal stats of the games he played.
Possible variance, but also possible that as you get better at arena, going first or second matters even more, because suboptimal play could make things diverge from the initial favorability.
And just to clarify, the only ones who have exact data are Blizzard. I realize there's a margin of error and a bunch of factors that aren't apparent, but we've got to use what we do have because they aren't sharing that stuff.
I think that for anyone who plays Arena, it's obvious there are considerable improvements to be made, and Blizzard seem receptive to this kind of opinions.
I think that for anyone who plays Arena, it's obvious there are considerable improvements to be made, and Blizzard seem receptive to this kind of opinions.
Blizzard knows that there are fundamental issues with Arena which is why they have stated that they are planning very fundamental changes to the mode. They have never said that before, which means that their stats are showing that there are some gross problems with the mode that require addressing.
Cola pls. You need to move to 'murica and stop playing with those plebs.
I have an NA acc im just saving up on EU for wings of Kara ;_;
Lost the first brawl because my partner left when I had lethalin hand next turn. beat it the second time with a 22 Fjola with windfury. Both partners went all in before Nefarian makes that asshole move.
My last four brawl packs were pretty decent. Got Onyxia, two Snake Traps and today a Southsea Captain out of it.
My last four brawl packs were pretty decent. Got Onyxia, two Snake Traps and today a Southsea Captain out of it.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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urgh my coop disconnected before I could end the game on my own.
I could see there being a reason to mill yourself if you have all the power cards you need for a big burst of damage (or to put a minion above 30HP to survive the clear), and your partner is really low on cards. There could be a time to mill yourself 1-2 cards there.
It should be rare though, becuase at some point you should just play the cards your're holding even if they won't do anything.
It should be rare though, becuase at some point you should just play the cards your're holding even if they won't do anything.
Moat lurker to kill the summoned Sylv.
Moat Lurker is the type of card effect that we need more of in this game. That effect is really awesome, and has the potential to be good, maybe in even super broken. But due to costing 6 mana, I can't see it being a staple in control decks since many have better options (Shield Slam, Entomb). That said, some classes (Druid and Pally notably), don't have better options so maybe its worth it in some cases.
Barnes is similar in that he's really powerful in some cases but complete junk in others. Good for different kinds of decks I'd imagine.
only going to work specifically with deathrattles and that's a turn 10 combo. so uhhh, good luck.
Could be a two turn thing. Moat lurker is mostly probably going to be used as a deathrattle trigger anyway. So if the opponent kills off the 1/1 with deathrattle that Barnes summoned you'll probably have another target soon enough.
Mobius and pet octopus
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The chart I get, I am not disputing. But kripp is arguing that mage's disparity became worse after the first wing of karazhan and uses his meager 45 games to show it. That is just plain silly. For all we know the disparity became smaller. I doubt it, but certainly 45 games isn't going to be meaningful in any respect.
And I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see similar numbers in constructed. Maybe not as much as 8.9% aggregated. In elder scrolls legends, the mechanic you get for going second is an elixir similar to coin except you get to use it 3 separate turns and it still doesn't feel unbalanced.
TetraxShards
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I wonder if Moat Lurker kills a 1/1 generated from Barnes, if it then comes back at full stats?
It would, the 1/1 is a modifier that can be silenced so it wouldn't survive being resummoned.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Moat lurker is a weird card. So it's hard to judge how good or bad it'll be.
I wonder how it works with unearthed raptor though. If you copy moat lurker's deathrattle, will it give unearthed raptor the same summon. I think it might. If you bring moat lurker back with n'zoth, I doubt it brings the same summon on death though.
I wonder how it works with unearthed raptor though. If you copy moat lurker's deathrattle, will it give unearthed raptor the same summon. I think it might. If you bring moat lurker back with n'zoth, I doubt it brings the same summon on death though.
Moat Lurker is a battle cry gain death rattle so Nzoth won't bring it back but you can do Brann shenanigans.
Professor Lich
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I think one of the Class challenges has Moat Lurker in it, so you might be able to do some testing, but I don't think it has N'Zoth.
My guess is, N'Zoth brings back Moat Lurker, but the Death Rattle does nothing, since it's linked to a BattleCry.
Raptor on the other hand should work as expected easily.
Edit: Should clarify, it's the Priest Class challenge that has Moat Lurker and I brought it back with a Resurrect. However, it still had a DeathRattle attached to it. When it died again, nothing happened.
isn't moat lurker chillmaw a 6 mana 3 damage symmetric aoe?
Exactly, dat synergy.
Activate Chillmaw Deathrattle (after probably killing something), then re-summon Chillmaw to prevent some charge shenanigans.
For real though all of these are so situational it's so difficult to accurately gauge. It still has the freezing effect or get around taunt for lethal functionality so it's more versatile than it may seem at first. Without experimentation it's hard to say. Another one of those cards that I feel might be more usable in Wild than in Standard.
Professor Lich
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I wish the Priest challenge wasn't such a pain or I could test this out more.
I had it happen once where an Onyx Bishop summoned a Moat Lurker. Pretty sure it still had the DeathRattle on it. As well, when it died, it didn't summon anything else.
I had it happen once where an Onyx Bishop summoned a Moat Lurker. Pretty sure it still had the DeathRattle on it. As well, when it died, it didn't summon anything else.
Lone_Prodigy
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I guess I better climb tonight before seeing the new cards in most decks I face.
TetraxShards
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I would love a Raid mode like in the old WOW TCG or Archenemy in MTG (which was in DOTP 2012 as a multiplayer mode IIRC). The adventures are a nice diversion but....it's not the same.
Could be worse, I thought I was going to win when my opponent hit fatigue 1. I skipped my turn but I think I still won.
This is why you never go full Northshire. Double especially if it's a priest mirror. Just don't do it.
This is the easiest boss brawl yet.
I've done that in brawls more times than i want to admit. I misread the text constantly.
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