True. The only reason to make fun of bad card predictions is to spam Amaz's Twitch chat when Entomb gets played.
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Hearthstone |OT8| Elise's Extremely Irresponsible Field Trip To Un'Goro
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True. The only reason to make fun of bad card predictions is to spam Amaz's Twitch chat when Entomb gets played.
Mobius and pet octopus
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The upside of mad scientist was way higher than this upside. Draw and play a card is much faster than draw a card. I really don't even find much value in comparing the two for that reason.
Also, the downsides are not negligible. If secrets were already being ran in tempo mage, because they are so great, then the downsides of adding this card in tempo mage would by definition be negligible because you're already running those cards.
While that's true, mad scientist's upside was far greater than this card that it made the risk worthwhile. When it doesn't work it's just as bad, maybe if it had something more going for it, the card existing as is, is just Blizzard admitting mad scientist was broken.
I think secrets were heavily meta dependent too. Mirror Entity and counterspell used to be very powerful back then when you had combo druids around and people didn't have much to throw into your entity/counter spell other than the shredder staying in their hand. Right now? I think mirror entity is just bad and your counter spell will be trigger by some cheap spell. You'd either get some understated jade summoner, some 0 attack totem, a pirate or worse doomsayer. Not so great.
Yeah, the less the thread veers into DetectiveGAF territory, the better. Points can be proven without things getting scuzzy.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I wish people detectivegaf'd me. Because I am too lazy to look up my own old opinions on cards.
I do remember two predictions I made that were very accurate and that was webspinner and muster for battle. Had a lot of people saying I was wrong too.
I've seen a couple people running some secret packages lately. Counterspell will always be flawed due to coin and all the other 0 mana spells. Great in some match ups and when they already spend the coin though. I almost always had an answer to mirror entity back in the day with zombie chows, doomsayers, MCT, etc..
I think what this card has going for it is all the other secret synergy cards they've added recently and are perhaps adding more of. Well, they could go overboard with more secret synergy although I would guess not likely. Probably a new secret at least.
IIRC counterspell was eventually cut for duplicate, even in tempo mage because you could often get a strong minion duplicated.
You know we can keep going in circles, so we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this point for now. We'll see how good arcanologist is in a few months. I'm gonna make the case pretty hard on our review stream and we'll see how that lines up in the re-review. I'm pretty confident about this.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qznrQld02E0R9VZeogCeY_kejaoGd3WCffy9ga_6kqU/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qznrQld02E0R9VZeogCeY_kejaoGd3WCffy9ga_6kqU/edit?usp=sharing
Mobius and pet octopus
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The vast majority of those card evaluations were hastily filled out. I think reviews based on a numeric scale are too shallow anyway.
LyleLanley
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All I know about evaluating cards is that I'm always wrong. If I think the card looks great it's probably trash and if it looks awful it's probably going to be pretty good.
Mobius and pet octopus
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The arcanologist and the shadow priest spell are another piece of a nice trend though. Tutoring for cards from your deck.
great, now make it work in a deck.
Literally just put it in current Reno Mage and Freeze Mage and it will work.
Or put it in those decks for Wild. The card might as well read "Draw an Ice Block from your deck".
are those decks going to work in standard?
Freeze mage always figures out a way, though they are losing Emperor & forgotten torch. But there are still many cards yet to be revealed that might help it remain relevant like Arcanologist...
Ice Lance is gone for standard too.
overwatch is so good. I have so many OW t-shirts and run into other fans all the time
I wonder if the goal is really to kill the Malygos + Emperor + 2 Ice Lane combo. but it takes so much to make it work. cause first you really want to freeze your opponent
I think you can make it work in any mage deck.
Probably not but I was responding to your request of "make it work" as if the card was already out.
And standard isn't the only format in the game either, the card will be good in Wild.
I can only see it used in Reno decks for a little more consistency and even then I'm not sure it will be used.
You play both. That way you don't have to play Novice Engineer.
At the very least you play both in Reno Mage or those control/grinder Mage decks that rely on specific secrets like Duplicate.
No, that not made sense, the redundancy can made your draw stuck
n you not simply trade draw for tutor effect all the time
Regarding Arcanologist, it's obviously a good card as far as pure mathematical value goes. But you do have to take into consideration the type of deck it would fit in to when evaluating the card. Are the cards it supports (Mage Secrets) good enough? Would a deck built around these synergies be good enough?
A card like Mysterious Challenger is obviously an insanely OP card based on the math. And for a while it was one of the best cards in the best deck in the game. But once a few key support cards got rotated out (Avenge and Muster being two big ones), Challenger was rendered nearly obsolete.
All of this to say that you can't just look at the math and say whether a card will be playable or not. You have to evaluate the decks it would fit into and whether cards that synergize with the OP card are good enough for the deck to be relevant. This is what makes evaluating cards difficult and, also, a lot of fun.
A card like Mysterious Challenger is obviously an insanely OP card based on the math. And for a while it was one of the best cards in the best deck in the game. But once a few key support cards got rotated out (Avenge and Muster being two big ones), Challenger was rendered nearly obsolete.
All of this to say that you can't just look at the math and say whether a card will be playable or not. You have to evaluate the decks it would fit into and whether cards that synergize with the OP card are good enough for the deck to be relevant. This is what makes evaluating cards difficult and, also, a lot of fun.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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MC became obsolete because Paladin got shit for early game and had no way to hold a board ever. Avenge has little to do with it, I tried it all and MC with Getaway Kodo and Resurrection was pretty great. Issue was you couldn't play Noble Sacrifice with Kodo.
discardlock is looking very strong with those new cards. the legendary is really damn good, if you discard that card you're basically discarding nothing, and you get all the benefits from the discard. (it gets buffed, you draw a card if you have Imp etc.)
let's say you want to play Doomguard on curve and you have 3 other cards, it's gonna suck to discard 2 but if Zavas gets picked as the discard you're only going to discard 1 card for the Doomguard. then you can play a 2 mana 8/8 or whatever in the next turn.
I honestly think the deck will be stupid strong after this expansion.
let's say you want to play Doomguard on curve and you have 3 other cards, it's gonna suck to discard 2 but if Zavas gets picked as the discard you're only going to discard 1 card for the Doomguard. then you can play a 2 mana 8/8 or whatever in the next turn.
I honestly think the deck will be stupid strong after this expansion.
new cards revealed:
http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/20626039/e-malones-journal-week-three-3-21-2017
can't post the images from work, but the shaman quest is murloc related
http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/20626039/e-malones-journal-week-three-3-21-2017
can't post the images from work, but the shaman quest is murloc related
LyleLanley
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I don't think Megafin is very good.
LyleLanley
Banned
This thing better end up being awesome.
LyleLanley
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Summoning 10 Murlocs is really easy, you can fill that quest out by turn 5.
Turn 1 whatever turn 1 Murloc, Turn 2 that Murloc that summons 2 Murlocs. Two random Murlocs on turn 3, Call in the Finishers on turn 4.
Remember there is also that Dinosaur that adapts your Murlocs so you can use that to make your Murlocs stickier.
Turn 1 whatever turn 1 Murloc, Turn 2 that Murloc that summons 2 Murlocs. Two random Murlocs on turn 3, Call in the Finishers on turn 4.
Remember there is also that Dinosaur that adapts your Murlocs so you can use that to make your Murlocs stickier.
Problem with finja in a deck like this is most murlocs have good synergy via battlecries. It won't be as insane as a deck with just warleaders and bluegills but still seems like an auto include for flooding purposes.
Yup, and that Dinosaur has premium stats. Hmm I wonder what will happen, ah well it will probably work out just fine.
Definitely the easiest quest to fulfill so far. With stuff like Call in the Finishers its gonna be REALLY easy to drop 10 murlocs by game end. It's not going to help you win though since a slight breeze will still wipe your board. Literally every AoE in the game is a major threat to most murlocs until you get 1-2 warleaders out. So I have no idea if that will be a good deck but it might be hilarous.
Also the 3mana 3/2 discover a murloc if you have a murloc card is defintely an include. Just by the nature of replacing a murloc card in your hand you'd want it, but since there are so few draw effects on murlocs (mostly just Coldlight and Siltfin Spiritwalker) you gotta take what you can get.
Megafin is the kind of recharge a deck like this needs. Drop him for 5 mana when your hand is empty (or nearly so after dumping 10 murlocs), and boom instant hand of minions to pressure with. It's a good reward for essentially vomiting your hand on the board and hoping that something sticks. Still have no idea if that will be a good deck or not, but the effect is powerful even if you're only getting murlocs.
Also the 3mana 3/2 discover a murloc if you have a murloc card is defintely an include. Just by the nature of replacing a murloc card in your hand you'd want it, but since there are so few draw effects on murlocs (mostly just Coldlight and Siltfin Spiritwalker) you gotta take what you can get.
Megafin is the kind of recharge a deck like this needs. Drop him for 5 mana when your hand is empty (or nearly so after dumping 10 murlocs), and boom instant hand of minions to pressure with. It's a good reward for essentially vomiting your hand on the board and hoping that something sticks. Still have no idea if that will be a good deck or not, but the effect is powerful even if you're only getting murlocs.
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