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thepotatoman
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Why would zoo ever want to discard a card from the opponent's decks?
Until they do something to make deck order matter, this might as well say "discard from the bottom of the deck".
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Why would zoo ever want to discard a card from the opponent's decks?
Until they do something to make deck order matter, this might as well say "discard from the bottom of the deck".
Because every and then you burn their heal/taunt and it matters. It's completely random, but sometimes beneficial.
They're probably going to add more things that interact with deck order in future hence this card existing.
Right now the way the game works is that every time you shuffle a card in your deck, it re-shuffles your entire deck, your deck is not fixed. This was confirmed by Brode, it's the way their technology works. They probably have to change that if they're adding things like that.
They had Mike Elliot, magic designer, contribute to this set and next set. I imagine more magic like things will be added to the game.
Right now the way the game works is that every time you shuffle a card in your deck, it re-shuffles your entire deck, your deck is not fixed. This was confirmed by Brode, it's the way their technology works. They probably have to change that if they're adding things like that.
They had Mike Elliot, magic designer, contribute to this set and next set. I imagine more magic like things will be added to the game.
Or maybe you burn something that isn't their heal/taunt and then they're one turn closer to drawing a heal/taunt. It all evens out in the end.
Professor Lich
Member
I'm really surprised to see a card like that but I guess the design / goal of Hearthstone has shifted since its inception. Shame it's not discard though, so any interactions with discard cards would work.
Play this on turn two, accidentally summon your opponent's Silverware Golem for them.
Play this on turn two, accidentally summon your opponent's Silverware Golem for them.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I doubt it sees play. They're not going to print enough of these cards to make it a viable archetype. If this was a rogue card, sure. But warlock? Probably zero chance. To begin with, you're not running this in zoo. Zoo games never go to fatigue. Oh, you removed a taunt. Well, there was a solid chance that taunt would never have been drawn anyway. I'm not convinced warlock fatigue decks will be a thing, unless they add several other new cards this set to make it work.
I think the best chance it sees play is in control but considering the style of decks that have worked in the past for warlock, even there it's very doubtful. You want cards that impact the board faster rather than cards that accellerate your opponent's fatigue by a single turn. You often win off cards like jaraxxus and alexstrasza, not fatigue.
Could be the weakest card of the set so far unless I am missing something. I guess it occasionally high rolls against combo decks reliant on a few specific cards.
I think the best chance it sees play is in control but considering the style of decks that have worked in the past for warlock, even there it's very doubtful. You want cards that impact the board faster rather than cards that accellerate your opponent's fatigue by a single turn. You often win off cards like jaraxxus and alexstrasza, not fatigue.
Could be the weakest card of the set so far unless I am missing something. I guess it occasionally high rolls against combo decks reliant on a few specific cards.
Karsticles
Member
That card is bad and will only see meme play, but when you do see it, it will feel really bad.
Just disgusting and terrible design.
Oops, you just discarded N'Zoth! GG!
Bacon_Boss
Member
New warrior card interacts well with all the other berserk tech were getting.
1/4 body for 3, if it survives damage summon a 2/2
1/4 body for 3, if it survives damage summon a 2/2
Professor Lich
Member
New card from JudgeHype;
Kinda neat, works well with that one drop.
Edit: Guess I'm always late.
Kinda neat, works well with that one drop.
Edit: Guess I'm always late.
I guess but it just doesn't seem that good in many decks. I guess like a weird tempo deck would run this whole package, but i dunno.
Professor Lich
Member
I mean, sure the two card combo works well, doesn't mean it's good!
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Urgh I hate armorsmith so much and control warrior for that matter.
Play these two and whirlwind twice.
Play these two and whirlwind twice.
warsong commander died for this. This is a very good card for the combo warrior I'm theory crafting. nice. It seems that they're trying to bring a patron warrior like deck back to the game. I like it.
they added not death's bite and not grim patron in this set so far and a way to possibly generate infinite resources in a deck like that.
they added not death's bite and not grim patron in this set so far and a way to possibly generate infinite resources in a deck like that.
I know yet cards like that 3/4 that gave both players spells saw some play. In other TCG's a card like that would've been horribad, but for some reason in HS it wasn't unplayable. Also this card gives you information about the opposing deck.
Karsticles
Member
Holy shit that Warlock card!
I can't believe Blizzard had the guts to make something like that. Kudos to them.
The card is still bad BUT if there ever was a Fatigue Warlock then you would play two of those in that deck.
Oh man this card in Wild with Bran and Brewmaster... LOL!
This expansion is shaping up to be my favorite thus far. Just an insane amount of new mechanics which is what I have wanted from expansions.
I can't believe Blizzard had the guts to make something like that. Kudos to them.
The card is still bad BUT if there ever was a Fatigue Warlock then you would play two of those in that deck.
Oh man this card in Wild with Bran and Brewmaster... LOL!
This expansion is shaping up to be my favorite thus far. Just an insane amount of new mechanics which is what I have wanted from expansions.
veryslowhand
Banned
I assume you get to see the opponent discharted card?
Professor Lich
Member
There's a good chance, yeah. Fel Reaver used the same wording (Remove top 3 cards), and you got to see all of those.
I'm very encouraged by this. Get new blood in there with card game experience. I only knew of Mike from other board/card games, but I think the game needs the maturity of Magic to thrive long term.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Lol thinking milling an opponents card doesn't matter
Milling a single card in a control vs control match up is a big deal especially if both control decks have limited resources.
Milling a card against an aggro deck or even a midrange matters very little. Against those decks you are likely to not play out your whole deck.
Since this card is only good in a control vs control type situation, it is in fact not a good card. But we haven't seen all the cards yet so let's see where they go with this if anywhere.
Milling a card against an aggro deck or even a midrange matters very little. Against those decks you are likely to not play out your whole deck.
Since this card is only good in a control vs control type situation, it is in fact not a good card. But we haven't seen all the cards yet so let's see where they go with this if anywhere.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
which card? discard hand draw 7 is an iconic MTG card, the effect is called wheel for a reason
That's where I'm at. This would even rank fairly low if I was teching against control.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
There's this one which is the most similar.
There are other Jar cards in Yugioh though, this one is quite dumb
There are other Jar cards in Yugioh though, this one is quite dumb
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Reoccurring in Eternal.
Discard effects aren't bad, but considering the situation warlock is in, already drawing off hero power, discarding cards, jaraxxus... they're not playing a fatigue plan so why bother devoting resources to that effect.
Fair enough, but aren't most battlecries non-interactive then? Say, one that kills or silences a minion. I can't do anything to prevent that if I'm on the receiving end.
Still not understanding why that would be ok but this warlock card wouldn't.
Where is the line drawn?
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
No deck manipulation? Dead man's hand, elise... there are more than that. That warrior taunt that adds a stronger taunt to deck. Shaman has white eyes. Even hunter can thicken their deck with their 1 drop.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I raise youThere's this one which is the most similar.
There are other Jar cards in Yugioh though, this one is quite dumb
They banned this before or days after it was released.
No topdeck manipulation.
Karsticles
Member
For the longest time I have wanted Priest to get a scry effect. Look at your top card and choose whether to out it on the bottom of your deck or keep it there.
Jaraxxus
Leeroy
Manipulator
PO
Reno
N'Zoth
Twisting Nether
Brann
Kazakus
So you have a good chance of forcing a Renolock to discard a VERY high profile card. I will run this in my Renolock deck for a while and see how often it gives me the win.
The top aggro decks in Wild also have key cards that let them function. Murloc Warleader, Arcanite Reaper, Leeroy, and Living Mana come to mind. If I made my opponent discard any of these I would be overjoyed. Not to mention things like Tirion. Imagine if your Control Paladin lost Tirion - poof, gone! That might only happen one out of 10 games, but that doesn't sound too bad to me.
In average Renolock decks, there are at least 9 essential cards in the control matchup:
Reoccurring in Eternal.
Discard effects aren't bad, but considering the situation warlock is in, already drawing off hero power, discarding cards, jaraxxus... they're not playing a fatigue plan so why bother devoting resources to that effect.
Jaraxxus
Leeroy
Manipulator
PO
Reno
N'Zoth
Twisting Nether
Brann
Kazakus
So you have a good chance of forcing a Renolock to discard a VERY high profile card. I will run this in my Renolock deck for a while and see how often it gives me the win.
The top aggro decks in Wild also have key cards that let them function. Murloc Warleader, Arcanite Reaper, Leeroy, and Living Mana come to mind. If I made my opponent discard any of these I would be overjoyed. Not to mention things like Tirion. Imagine if your Control Paladin lost Tirion - poof, gone! That might only happen one out of 10 games, but that doesn't sound too bad to me.
The word "interactive" in Hearthstone means that there are things I can do to reduce the potential effect an opponent of mine might inflict upon me. A silence isn't non-interactive, because I can choose what I play for them to silence. Wild Control Shaman has multiple cards in its deck just for baiting out hard removal so that their big stuff can survive. That is interaction.
slightconfuse
Banned
New warlock card is interesting it can win you games if you burn the right card
https://hsreplay.net/replay/H7o5HGYGkkC9JrXSCPtP82
Spellslinger gives both players random spells. Other TCGs don't really do that. Also I'm not sure why you're making the comparison?
And while it gives you information about the opposing deck, I'm assuming it also gives that information to your opponent as well, so they gain that information too. Again, it's a wash.
Spellslinger gives both players random spells. Other TCGs don't really do that. Also I'm not sure why you're making the comparison?
And while it gives you information about the opposing deck, I'm assuming it also gives that information to your opponent as well, so they gain that information too. Again, it's a wash.
I gotta say, I'm enjoying so much all these polarizing cards.
I don't think I've ever seen so much discussion about the benefit of cards to the game's design. The closes was when I questioned glimmeroot text design (I still think that should be the most text a HS should have.
This set either expands HS design space, or break it enough to never touch those mechanics again.
I don't think I've ever seen so much discussion about the benefit of cards to the game's design. The closes was when I questioned glimmeroot text design (I still think that should be the most text a HS should have.
This set either expands HS design space, or break it enough to never touch those mechanics again.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It's a control card and there it's worse than lifetap.
So in your estimation you'd be milling an irrelevant card 9 out of 10 times which increases their chances to draw a relevant by at least 1/24?
Professor Lich
Member
Is this another 100+ card set?
Professor Lich
Member
Thanks!
We're still under half of the total amount of cards then, HearthPwn only shows 49.
Still leaves a bit to show off.
Since I never saw an official translation from the Gnomish Vampire, I guess this is it:
Source: http://www.hearthpwn.com/news/3104-new-warlock-card-revealed-gnomish-vampire
Source: http://www.hearthpwn.com/news/3104-new-warlock-card-revealed-gnomish-vampire
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I mean information about what netdeck they are playing and what cards they cannot have in their hand.
As the opponent, you get to know that your Alexstrasza just got force-discarded by a 2-drop.
And they have information about what they can and can't topdeck in later turns.