Jade Druid getting nerfed and these infinite control decks popping up would just mean that Quest Mage would be on top.
And then we go back the complete opposite direction where super greedy decks get punished by hyper aggro like it always has.
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And then we go back the complete opposite direction where super greedy decks get punished by hyper aggro like it always has.
BananasWithGuns
Member
Corpse Widow is disgusting.
Why specifically Hex though? Do you expect Shaman to be so common that Hex is a determining factor in what cards a Preist player uses?
Only Shaman and Mage can transform a deathrattle minion. Silence is an easier effect to get.
That priest card is great.
I get the don't put it in your deck and just run stonehill defender idea, but I think it's good enough to include anyhow. Maybe just a 1x though. The lifesteal is pretty big. You are going to have a hell of a time killing that guy once it hits the board AND even if you do kill it , you've probably given the priest back 4-12 HP. A really good deal. OH and then your minion dies.
I bet there is gonna be some asshole resurrect priest deck combos with this. Barnes + this guy is just mean. 1/1 taunt lifesteal, DR kill a minion. The BEST barnes target ever.
I get the don't put it in your deck and just run stonehill defender idea, but I think it's good enough to include anyhow. Maybe just a 1x though. The lifesteal is pretty big. You are going to have a hell of a time killing that guy once it hits the board AND even if you do kill it , you've probably given the priest back 4-12 HP. A really good deal. OH and then your minion dies.
I bet there is gonna be some asshole resurrect priest deck combos with this. Barnes + this guy is just mean. 1/1 taunt lifesteal, DR kill a minion. The BEST barnes target ever.
not nerfs. He mentioned a card reveal that might have to do something with jade obstruction of some sort.
I had a game against a freaking shaman last 25 minutes a week ago. Games against quest warrior easily run 15-25 minutes. Since the first few cards were announced, I've been expecting Frozen Throne to have such insane match lengths that climbing the ladder either involves some aggro deck that still works often enough, or a ridiculous amount of time that's not feasible if you have work / family conflicts.
Let's throw some ideas out.
"Destroy a card, and all copies of that card in your opponent's deck."
"Destroy a card, and all cards in your opponent's deck that have any words in common with it."
"Dust your opponent's jade collection."
Karsticles
Member
Polymorph and Hex are something you absolutely have to account for every few games in Wild.
Or just reprint Lightbomb for Priest. Or anything that destroys symmetrical minions in general. That would allow classes to blow up several mid game jades and beat the jade player down before they get into GG territory at 7/8/9/10 etc.
cartographer
Member
I worry about Nzoth, too. I like death rattles and Nzoth buy it can very easily get out hand. Wonder what the rest of the set holds.
slightconfuse
Banned
It's probably a golakka crawler for jades
On that note, can I get a crawler for beasts, a crawler for elementals, and a silence + crawler for deathrattles please? I'd like more tech options. OP cards are fine as long as my opponent's can't use them.
That's not going to solve the Jade Druid issue at all.
The issue with Jades right now with this new set incoming is that Jade Druid can infinitely spawn card advantage and generate minions that keep getting stronger. If there was a way to prevent this infinite generation then it's possible for these new control/slow decks to actually outlast a Druid deck.
Really though, the issue is just a SINGLE card: Jade Idol. A card that people knew would be a problem since it was first shown.
Hmm maybe or is it just better to run stonehill & free from amber? 9 mana is a lot
Yup, IMO there are only 2 ways to help against Jade Idol. Print a Discover a card in your opponents deck and destroy its copies or nerf it to oblivion at like 3 cost. Even a 2 cost Jade Idol is OP
That Priest card tingles my Medivh + Free From Amber.
I wonder if they change the card to
Summon X/X Jade or shuffle two copies into your deck.
I haven't thought about this change too much, but it seems like reducing the probability of drawing your cards by 1/3 seems like it could slow down the pace at which Jades grow. This also doesn't completely destroy the deck, they're still able to go infinite and outlast control quests in the extreme long form. Theoretically, it opens up some time for the longer control decks that they seem to be printing.
I wonder if they change the card to
Summon X/X Jade or shuffle two copies into your deck.
I haven't thought about this change too much, but it seems like reducing the probability of drawing your cards by 1/3 seems like it could slow down the pace at which Jades grow. This also doesn't completely destroy the deck, they're still able to go infinite and outlast control quests in the extreme long form. Theoretically, it opens up some time for the longer control decks that they seem to be printing.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Not really. 30 minute matches are rare even in control mirrors and jade druid isn't the only deck that beats control so...
I don't even think 3 mana would solve the real problem with Jade Idol LOL!
You just have to remove that text or change it. Make it into:
1 mana "Summon a Jade Golem or Shuffle 3 1 mana Jade Golems in your deck"
You still get the deck thickening effect and you still get the 1 mana Jade Golems but now you are limited to them and you can't just generate additional draw with Gadgetan for 1 mana as the 1 mana Jade Golems are minions.
The minions do grow though like normal Jades. You can still get 6 Jade Golems with 2 Jade Idols but now there's a hard cap to it.
This change will never happen because it's too complicated and time consuming. They would have to make a new card that mimics the Jade Golem effect. But this would be the best change.
You just have to remove that text or change it. Make it into:
1 mana "Summon a Jade Golem or Shuffle 3 1 mana Jade Golems in your deck"
You still get the deck thickening effect and you still get the 1 mana Jade Golems but now you are limited to them and you can't just generate additional draw with Gadgetan for 1 mana as the 1 mana Jade Golems are minions.
The minions do grow though like normal Jades. You can still get 6 Jade Golems with 2 Jade Idols but now there's a hard cap to it.
This change will never happen because it's too complicated and time consuming. They would have to make a new card that mimics the Jade Golem effect. But this would be the best change.
Karsticles
Member
Obviously it's going to be a 1-mana neutral secret.
At the start of your turn, if your opponent controls any Jade minions, you gain control of all minions your opponent controls until the end of the turn. They gain charge.
At the start of your turn, if your opponent controls any Jade minions, you gain control of all minions your opponent controls until the end of the turn. They gain charge.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Jades are being rotated next rotation anyway. Besides, I think jade druid could do fine without auctioneer.
Karsticles
Member
inb4 Auctioneer limits design space they never intend to explore.
Portugeezer
Member
They already said they thought about making auctioneer a hof card but decided against it because it's skillful or something.
One might even say it's going...going...SOLD! To Wild mode for $10,000.
To kill jade druid without resorting to nerfs they will have to create an card that nullifies jade idol while also being good enough to be an autoinclude in every deck.
Otherwise people will not include a terrible card just because it helps them with only one terrible match up
Otherwise people will not include a terrible card just because it helps them with only one terrible match up
Officerrob
Banned
That's a massive buff to Free From Amber
YESSSS. Omg the ultimate fuck you card. Build your deck as aggro or midrange and include that card also. When you start losing to a control deck, swap decks and instantly put yourself in the winning side. LOL so much rage would be generated from a card like that. I hope they make it, just to see the community burn it all down.
Karsticles
Member
Ooooo except I kept both Jade cards in my mulligan hand, so now you are just going to mill yourself with my huge draw deck!
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Professor Lich
Member
I feel like the only way to counter Jades would be a Mass Dispel type card that resets them all to 1/1 and reset the counter for them too. Who knows if there'll actually be something though.
BananasWithGuns
Member
Edit: Beaten.
That card is going to be incredibly busted.
That card is going to be incredibly busted.
Karsticles
Member
That card is incredible.
I assume it goes back into your hand?
That card allows for Reno Quest Mage to operate:
1) Sorcerer's Apprentice in your hand.
2) Simulacrum.
3) On another turn, Sorcerer's Apprentice x2 gets played. (4 mana)
4) Molten Reflection for 2 gives you a third. (6 mana)
5) Echo of Medivh for 1 gives you 3 more in your hand (lol). (7 mana).
6) Sorcerer's Apprentice. (9 mana).
7) Time Warp for 1. (10 mana)
Alternatively, you could use Emperor Thaurissan and do:
1) Sorcerer's Apprentice in your hand.
2) Simulacrum.
3) Thaurissan your Sorcerer's Apprentice x2.
4) On another turn, Sorcerer's Apprentice x2. (2 mana).
5) Echo of Medivh. (4 mana).
6) Sorcerer's Apprentice x2. (8 mana).
7) Time Warp for 1. (9 mana)
That card is going to make some dreams come true. Reno Quest OTK Mage is going to become huge in Wild.
Previously you needed a much more greedy Thaurissan to pull this off, and it was pretty prohibitive in my experience.
I assume it goes back into your hand?
That card allows for Reno Quest Mage to operate:
1) Sorcerer's Apprentice in your hand.
2) Simulacrum.
3) On another turn, Sorcerer's Apprentice x2 gets played. (4 mana)
4) Molten Reflection for 2 gives you a third. (6 mana)
5) Echo of Medivh for 1 gives you 3 more in your hand (lol). (7 mana).
6) Sorcerer's Apprentice. (9 mana).
7) Time Warp for 1. (10 mana)
Alternatively, you could use Emperor Thaurissan and do:
1) Sorcerer's Apprentice in your hand.
2) Simulacrum.
3) Thaurissan your Sorcerer's Apprentice x2.
4) On another turn, Sorcerer's Apprentice x2. (2 mana).
5) Echo of Medivh. (4 mana).
6) Sorcerer's Apprentice x2. (8 mana).
7) Time Warp for 1. (9 mana)
That card is going to make some dreams come true. Reno Quest OTK Mage is going to become huge in Wild.
Previously you needed a much more greedy Thaurissan to pull this off, and it was pretty prohibitive in my experience.
3 mana Paladin spell, Mass Humility. set all enemy minion's attack to 1
I guess you mean copying babbling book? Are there any other quest mage interactions?
Copy sorcerors apprentice.