It's inevitable, he's like ragnaros. Just put black Knight or BGH in your deck.
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It's inevitable, he's like ragnaros. Just put black Knight or BGH in your deck.
Except playing Rag was bad in many cases... this guy has no real downsides.
bunbun777
Member
Rag could attack the turn he was summoned so at least you won't have to worry about that at least but yeah the Lich King will be in a lot of decks.
Preliminary Midrange Paladin deck
http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/...1878:1,27122:1,43908:2,18632:1,1874:1,57861:1
http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/...1878:1,27122:1,43908:2,18632:1,1874:1,57861:1
Karsticles
Member
This is so wrong.
Jade Druid
Secret Paaldin
Freeze Mage
Miracle Rogue
Control Warrior
All of these decks have crucial one mana cards. It might not see play in Standard, but Geist will define the Wild meta.
Try Bolvar in there yo
Really looking forward to the release now. 53 packs, plus another 15 or so from Amazon Coins on release, 3000 gold and currently 4500 dust.
I'm gonna miss Burn Mage in its current form though, been playing it for a couple of months solidly now and I love it, I expect the expansion will change everything
I'm gonna miss Burn Mage in its current form though, been playing it for a couple of months solidly now and I love it, I expect the expansion will change everything
WooHooAlex
Member
Also silence priest loses inner fire, their win condition.
Given the Lich King, the already existing Taunt Warrior archtype and the new Druid taunts i think its time for The Black Knight to return.
This dude knows.
But you should expect the game servers to go down for an hour or so.
10th in NA, 11th in EU. Not sure about other territories.
The ratings so far are showing that this set has a much higher perceived power level than Un'goro. That expansion had only 6 cards that averaged out to a 4 or higher. So far, Frozen Throne has doubled that with 12 cards being 4 or higher.
Gadgetzan eclipses both of them combined though, with 20 cards at a 4 or higher, which seems way too much to me. It's possible that people have adjusted their power scale over time and are giving out less 4s and 5s on average.
Gadgetzan eclipses both of them combined though, with 20 cards at a 4 or higher, which seems way too much to me. It's possible that people have adjusted their power scale over time and are giving out less 4s and 5s on average.
Thanks!
Gadgetzan rating is right, we had a ton of very strong cards in that expansion like Jade Idol, Kazakus, Raza, Patches, Aya, Dragonfire Potion, DrakOP, Abyssal Enforcer, Bristleback, Mark of the Lotus, Jade Claws, Mistress of Mixtures, Second Rate Bruiserx Dirty Rat da gawd etc.
Jade druid is a very slow deck, which tends to dominate other slow decks. So "skulking geist" allows other slow decks to be viable (against jade druids anyway).
But, if you're not playing a slow control deck, then jade druid isn't really a problem and there's no obvious reason to pick the card.
That doesn't mean it's trash, but it's a card for specific decks.
Yeah, that is true. Gadgetzan was pretty nuts. And Un'goro definitely didn't introduce as many powerful cards but we also tended to misevaluate a lot of them. Hydrologist, Stonehill, and Lyra were all rated at less than 3, when they should be 4s and 5s.
Pretty sure cards are always released at 10am pst.
Looking through the list of epics, there are basically none that seem like auto crafts.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
my ratings right now are almost all 3s I guess that's a good sign.
I think I only gave out a couple 5s.
I think I only gave out a couple 5s.
I would say these ones are what I class as an auto craft for epics:
Skulking Geist
Obsidian Statue
Ultimate Infestation
Corpsetaker and Gnomeferatu are not essential but are decent cards IMO.
I'm not sure obsidian statue even gets run. I think people will run double free from amber instead. And keep running medivh.
Ultimate infestation is definitely an auto craft if you play big druid but i am missing too many of the legendaries for that build.
Barnes and Shadow Essence will have me wanting to try it at least a few times in my Priest decks.
absolutely none.
they are garbage and the only one that might be usable is keleseth, even that one is dubious.
reddit had once a thread with a pretty good theory about why they are so bad, that so far is the only reasonable explanation why they exist.
The only synergy I know for them is to dust them all in row.
thekillermuffin
Member
I'm not sure how this new expansion will affect it, but I really hope Control Warrior gets stronger. Started getting back into traditional (non-taunt quest) CW, and it's still one of my favorite deck types ever.
That isn't even a good strategy, because you'll then get them as repeats. You need to get the rest of the legendaries you want first.
Working on a silly Jade/Taunt druid. I know it's bad but give me your thoughts on things to cut/change. Only one Jade Idol under the assumption that geists will be everywhere in the first few weeks and I just want to bait people to blow up their own cards. Kun is in the deck to drop a 7/7 the same turn as another big late card, or to grab armor in dire straits (that usually means I lose though...). Taldaram is there b/c I know I'm unpacking one of these dudes and he could be a fun late game play.
I'm a terrible deck maker so savage away.
0 Innervate × 2
1 Jade Idol × 1
2 Druid of the Swarm × 2
2 Loot Hoarder × 1
2 Wild Growth × 2
2 Wrath × 2
3 Crypt Lord × 2
3 Jade Blossom × 2
3 Prince Taldaram × 1
4 Strongshell Scavenger × 2
4 Swipe × 2
5 Spreading Plague × 2
6 Aya Blackpaw × 1
6 Jade Behemoth × 2
7 Malfurion the Pestilent × 1
8 The Lich King × 1
9 Hadronox × 1
10 Kun the Forgotten King ×1
10 Ultimate Infestation x2
the only way to be sure to unpack them again!
I'm a terrible deck maker so savage away.
0 Innervate × 2
1 Jade Idol × 1
2 Druid of the Swarm × 2
2 Loot Hoarder × 1
2 Wild Growth × 2
2 Wrath × 2
3 Crypt Lord × 2
3 Jade Blossom × 2
3 Prince Taldaram × 1
4 Strongshell Scavenger × 2
4 Swipe × 2
5 Spreading Plague × 2
6 Aya Blackpaw × 1
6 Jade Behemoth × 2
7 Malfurion the Pestilent × 1
8 The Lich King × 1
9 Hadronox × 1
10 Kun the Forgotten King ×1
10 Ultimate Infestation x2
the only way to be sure to unpack them again!
What was the theory?
SonicXtreme
Member
secret pally barely exists and pally has a million diff wild decks that are on the same power level.
miracle runs cold blood and conceal BUT....geist is a singlet in any deck. if you run 2 of it, good luck winning with 2 6 mana 4/6's. the chances of you having that singlet before the midgame....not really that good. and dropping it late doesn't do much to that deck. freezemage can still likely burn you down without taking out 2 frostbolts. shield slam is important waaay before you're going to drop skulking geist.
what we have learned in HS is the more expensive a tech card, the worse it is. look at eater of secrets, it has the potential to eat half a dozen cards, but it's still barely used. gluttonous ooze and golakka crawler and eater of secrets not only hate on your opponent's deck, they also give you a potentially large bonus to push through to win. 6 mana is too much of an investment to make a dent against deck like control warrior which has plenty of ammo not to give a damn that you discarded the one shield slam left in their deck. it's good against jade druid and even then in wild jade druid can still beat you with some of the new cards thrown in for alternative power and branning out extra jades to suffocate your weak 6 mana 4/6 power play. it's not good imo but it will force some modifications like how i said about making jades pack more power into their deck.
silence priest's win condition kills you on turn 4 or 5 in wild. a 4/6 on turn 6 MAYBE 1/3 OF THE TIME isn't going to stop it. and if you get handcuffed into playing that card against, idk, any aggro deck in the game, you are dead.
Professor Lich
Member
The only way I could see the Princes being useful is if they had a separate effect where you always got them on their 'respective,' turn. (2, 3, or 4)
Granted, it's not good for Prince 3 since he's combo material, but eh. Always getting their effect on that turn might make them ok, but who knows.
Granted, it's not good for Prince 3 since he's combo material, but eh. Always getting their effect on that turn might make them ok, but who knows.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
eater of ecrets does not push through anything.
SonicXtreme
Member
eater of secrets provides lethal against freeze mage. and if you hit it on mysterious challenger (since geist was specifically noted as anti secret pally deck), it wins just as hard as geist for less mana. and it's not that good of a card. geist is worse. the THREAT of geist is good; you are actually better playing a renolock deck without it, with your opponent fearing that they must burn jade idol asap. but the card's power isn't very high in games imo. it lose you more matchup than it wins you esp in the wild meta where you are dead the turn after you drop it. nice 4/6 against my paladin. sunkeeper tariming a wide board or spikeridge steeding my bolivar , dropping dr boom, all the plays that come after it blow it away
lots of nzoth decks don't even run sylvanas specifically bc dropping a 6+ mana card has to affect the game right away and that is as powerful of a card as there is
drakkari enchanter + emperor opens the door to immensely more powerful OTK's which will make people miss the days of ice lance.
Yeah I'm gonna try a spell heavy control priest that runs 2 of those and barnes, the rest spells (maybe Arthas). It's gonna suck but the time when I get 7 of those between the 2 in the deck, barnes, shadow essence and eternal servitude is gonna be worth it.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
no eater of secrets allows you to get lethal damage in before they can iceblock again it doesn't do the damage and isn't particularly threatening when you don't have lethal.
Secret pally has always been okay iwth getting their secrets eaten after MC. It's the draws where you have a couple secrets up on turn 4 and they get eaten that were disastrous for the deck.
I'm not usually mean, but these actually make me angry, they not only are bad, very bad cards, they dilute the legendary pool, and none other than the neutral legendary pool, which should be the versatile one to work many different decks.
Team 5 is making me worried I open one of those fuckers in my hard earned packs
there was once a trio of card in MtG that had a synergistic effect that combined they were pretty powerful, may be too much, Wizards had to nerf one of them, one of they key cards because they were ruling the meta back when they were released.
The theory is that Team 5 had some awesome synergy working among these 3 cards with that "no X mana cards in your deck" effect, but they found out they were too powerful and decided to pre-nerf the cards before they had a chance to ruin the meta.
I personally think they arrived to that conclusion with the MtG designer they invited. He might have told them about those cards they once created for MtG.
EDIT: the MtG card wasn't nerfed, it was banned.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
if we're talking about the same thread I just goolged then the cards mentioned aren't synergistic at all and Wizards can't really nerf cards as they print their cards out and they try to stay away from cards not doing what they say on them. They've done it when necessary but your description doesn't ring any bells.
Skullclamp, Tarmogoyf and the RTR card just were stories from development 2 times being how they fucked up. They eventually had to ban Skullclamp because it's a truly stupid card.
wait... ultimate infestation is a 4-5 card in the gaf poll??? seriously? I thought that card was way too slow and costly.
I don't remember the cards, and it wasn't nerfed sorry, it was banned, that's what MtG does.
Do you have the link to the reddit thread?
I don't remember the cards, and it wasn't nerfed sorry, it was banned, that's what MtG does.
Do you have the link to the reddit thread?
oh yeah that was it. Even if what that user said isn't true, the idea still stands, and it makes sense for me. These cards sounded like they could have synergy, instead they made some dump legendaries out of it.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
oh most of what he said is correct, there's nothing about synergy between those cards in there too.
I don't really agree with his conclusion though. There's little precedence for doing last minute changes to 3 legendary cards and the examples he's cited where made in a period of 9 years.
I don't really agree with his conclusion though. There's little precedence for doing last minute changes to 3 legendary cards and the examples he's cited where made in a period of 9 years.
slightconfuse
Banned
It's is amazing how bad the princes are.