Support NeoGAF

[93xfan]

X1 exclusive GAMEPLAY features
-Improved physics
-Rain and fog
-More off-road races due to having less barren scenery off-road.

The 360 version had its own exclusive events as well, btw.

If this is what we can expect, then gamers won’t be playing some Co-op with their friends that are still on last gen consoles. At least not without a stripped down mode available on the XSX version set to match the X1 gameplay. Or maybe they would just allow you to download the last gen version for such an occasion.

Anyway, Microsoft’s cross gen strategy may not be as disappointing a concept as once thought, with MS even stating they want to take full advantage of a the power in the Series X for each game.

 

[Hendrick's]

So games on the more powerful hardware will look better and have a higher frame rate? Who would have thought?

 

[ethomaz]

Now show to us if the game were exclusive to XTower for better comparison.

 

[rob305]

I think youre onto something there

 

[93xfan]

So games on the more powerful hardware will look better and have a higher frame rate? Who would have thought?

Removed the part about the graphics. My bad.

You haven’t responded to the gameplay related portion. It’s a shame, because I came here to discuss a real world example of how MS has done cross-gen in the past.

I believe it to be an indicator of how MS will fulfill their promise.

 

[Gamernyc78]

It's funny how when it's from a certain console maker devs creating games for a lower denominator is no longer a negative or holding back the more powerful console lol but when both consoles were starting and getting cross Gen games it was

Typical my fav console enablers, my gosh it's a sickness.

 

[Norse]

Every new generation has cross gen games. Why are people acting like this is new?

 

[CyberPanda]

 

[93xfan]

It's funny how when it's from a certain console maker devs creating games for a lower denominator is no longer a negative or holding back the more powerful console lol but when both consoles were starting and getting cross Gen games it was

Typical my fav console enablers, my gosh it's a sickness.

I’m simply providing a look at what has happened in the past. Nobody is saying their strategy couldn’t have any drawbacks.

With that said, you wouldn’t be interested in a PS5 port of Ghosts of Tsushima or Last of Us 2, would you?

As for me, I’m in the wait and see approach. Neither MS, nor Sony has me sold yet.

Power, features, exclusives, Socom 2 remastered, backwards compatibility, Halo Infinite being good are all things that could sway me.

 

[Self_Destructive]

Now show to us if the game were exclusive to XTower for better comparison.

You mean like FH3/4 were to Xbox One?

 

[Heinrich]

So games on the more powerful hardware will look better and have a higher frame rate? Who would have thought?

a lot of People here didn’t. They thought graphics would be almost the same and that’s why there wouldn’t be a reason to get an Xbox series X because „graphics are almost the same anyway“.

 

[Heinrich]

Every new generation has cross gen games. Why are people acting like this is new?

Because Sony said that their games will all be exclusive to PS5, that’s why crossgen games are now a BAD than

 

[JoeyWestSide]

So games on the more powerful hardware will look better and have a higher frame rate? Who would have thought?

But only the older x1 games will load slower. Got to make sure that's added into the mix.

 

[ZywyPL]

If games can scale down from i9+2080Ti all the way down to Intel/AMD APUs, the consoles can as well.

And if anyone believes all the both 1st and 3rd party devs will all of a sudden abandon the existing user base a.k.a. billions of dollars of revenue is living under a rock.

Besides, games take at least a few years to be made, even is Sony/MS 1st party devs wanted to really take full advantage of the new systems they should've start working on them before the actual systems actually existed, even in just a prototype state.

Bottomline if, how about we just wait and see the actual outcome? Instead of flooding the forum with thousands useless posts like it's already 2021 and it all already happened? Just a thought.

 

[hunthunt]

thats ok, if the only release window game is Forza then no one will care about a cross gen release.

 

[Grinchy]

Every new generation has cross gen games. Why are people acting like this is new?

Every new generation goes a year or longer with only cross-gen games? Which part of the multiverse are you from, and who won the election in that one?

 

[Kagey K]

Because Sony said that their games will all be exclusive to PS5, that’s why crossgen games are now a BAD than

They didn’t say that, you should go back and re read it.

 

[ethomaz]

You mean like FH3/4 were to Xbox One?

Where is the exclusive version to Xbox One X only.

That is the point people use games that are in weak and strong hardware that are already hold back by the weak hardware.

The question you should to ask is how Gorza Horizon 4 could look if develope exclusively to Xbox One X.

PS. Take the time to example as theory because Xbox One X is a mid-gen upgrade so it should not have game exclusives to it but Xbox Series X is a new gen so it should have games taking all the potential of new hardware without old hardware roots holding back the development.

 

[Self_Destructive]

Where is the exclusive version to Xbox One X only.

That is the point people use games that are in weak and strong hardware that are already hold back by the weak hardware.

The question you should to ask is how Gorza Horizon 4 could look if develope exclusively to Xbox One X.

PS. Take the time to example as theory because Xbox One X is a mid-gen upgrade so it should not have game exclusives to it but Xbox Series X is a new gen so it should have games taking all the potential of new hardware without old hardware roots holding back the development.

....

FH2 was developed "cross gen"... FH3 and 4 were specifically developed for the next gen console.... and look similar. They use many of the same assets across the games.. but improved the lighting and textures and effects, as well as the general presentation. Visually and gameplay-wise they are all in the same league... and would be regardless of the 360 version of FH2 existing or not.

So remind me again how FH2 being on Xbox 360 held back FH2 on Xbox One, when FH3 and FH4 (XO exclusives) aren't generational leaps over it? Those were games SPECIFICALLY built for the Xbox One.

Why are you talking about X1X? First of all.. the whole point of X1X was to scale XO games up to 4K resolution for use on 4K TVs. The entire design philosophy of that console was to do exactly that. Which is why it doesn't have a different CPU. FH4 itself WAS taking advantage of the X1X in exactly the way MS intended. FH4 WAS built with the X1X in mind... which is why you got a 60fps 1080p mode, and a 4K 30 mode.

FH4 built ONLY for X1X.... would look largely the same as it does now.

Xbox Series X could easily have games built to take advantage of the graphical capabilities, while those same games are scaled down to Xbox One family of consoles with increased loading times, more frequent loading, less detailed models, paired back graphical effects and so on. With the Series X.. there's incentive on the part of MS to push the hardware and differentiate it from the previous gen versions.. (because the real capability to do so is there) whereas with the Xbox One X... there was only the incentive to boost resolution and potentially framerate.

 

[JaffeLion]

Xbox Series X could easily have games built to take advantage of the graphical capabilities, while those same games are scaled down to Xbox One family of consoles with increased loading times, more frequent loading, less detailed models, paired back graphical effects and so on. With the Series X.. there's incentive on the part of MS to push the hardware and differentiate it from the previous gen versions.. (because the real capability to do so is there) whereas with the Xbox One X... there was only the incentive to boost resolution and potentially framerate.

do you really believe that ANY nextgen LAUNCH title will use 100% of the consoles power? like allow to have nextgen worlds etc. AT LAUNCH?

if you believe that, you have ZERO knowledge of how game development works.

 

[Self_Destructive]

do you really believe that ANY nextgen LAUNCH title will use 100% of the consoles power? like allow to have nextgen worlds etc. AT LAUNCH?

if you believe that, you have ZERO knowledge of how game development works.

Do I say that... AT ALL? lol dude.. before you come at me.. read what the fuck I say.

 

[martino]

difference is this time new console are same more powerful architecture with new optimizations so it will be even easier to do that (not saying it removes all additional work).
even more if devtool are made with it mind (do we have any info on that ?)

 

[JaffeLion]

Do I say that... AT ALL? lol dude.. before you come at me.. read what the fuck I say.

thats why only for the first year games will be crossgen, after that there will be exclusive games, makes sense then. but not at launch, this is ridiculous.

its just a cheap and greedy cash crab by sony, and yet, people HAIL sony for it here. WHAT THE FUCK??? seriously?

if it would be the other way around, people would kill MS lol

 

[ozz ex machina]

Power, features, exclusives, Socom 2 remastered, backwards compatibility, Halo Infinite being good are all things that could sway me.

AH S2 remastered. Something every year I tease myself with happening. Could this be the year? I doubt it lol.

 

[Iced Arcade]

....like PC. low end hardware, high end hardware.

which makes even more sense now because these consoles are just boxed pc's now anyway lol

 

[CameFromNearFuture]

Do You really believe third party Studios Will build completely New level designs ?

Its hard to not think the Idea of game development teams having to limit the level design, scope, complexity of the enviorment because they Will still have ti develope the game with a jaguar in mind.

Gpu graphics effects seem to be more flexible to scale, but I have no Idea How they Will manage to do Cross gen games when they have completely different CPUs and specially one hardware with an ssd that seems to able to push a New standard in regards to build New worlds.

 

[Lone Wolf]

Do You really believe third party Studios Will build completely New level designs ?

Its hard to not think the Idea of game development teams having to limit the level design, scope, complexity of the enviorment because they Will still have ti develope the game with a jaguar in mind.

Gpu graphics effects seem to be more flexible to scale, but I have no Idea How they Will manage to do Cross gen games when they have completely different CPUs and specially one hardware with an ssd that seems to able to push a New standard in regards to build New worlds.

Easy. 2 different developers. Sumo digital did Forza Horizon 2 for Xbox 360, while Playground handled the Xbox One version. They both play great, and the One version is definitely a step up from the 360 version. As an insider you know all this already though.....

 

[Panajev2001a]

Easy. 2 different developers. Sumo digital did Forza Horizon 2 for Xbox 360, while Playground handled the Xbox One version. They both play great, and the One version is definitely a step up from the 360 version. As an insider you know all this already though.....

Two games, two different studios (sounds cheap), sold separately (aka “Want both? Pay for it twice!)... to get a “step up” on the much more powerful console.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Because Sony said that their games will all be exclusive to PS5, that’s why crossgen games are now a BAD than

Uhm, it surely never seemed like cross-generation games were what gamers wanted until quite recently too, you must be onto something...

 

[Lone Wolf]

Two games, two different studios (sounds cheap), sold separately (aka “Want both? Pay for it twice!)... to get a “step up” on the much more powerful console.

What’s wrong with this?

 

[Panajev2001a]

What’s wrong with this?

It is wasteful IMHO, I prefer that difference to go back to the studio and help keep the lights running, be reinvested in tech, lower the price of the game, or deliver a better game.

I understand pros and cons of PC’s and I get why companies would live the iPhone model or similar... it makes them money. I like PC’s and gaming there too, I like the appeal of open platforms, but I also like the generations based model of fixed closed gaming consoles (with BC). Not sure why the PC gamers feel the need to change the console one into worse PC’s than any PC (closed boxes and walled gardens into one).

I can understand why a company that makes PC’s and PC OS’s would love if PC became a nice walled garden like the iPhone and they were the gatekeepers, but I fail to see how my interests align to them.

 

[Heinrich]

Bottomline if, how about we just wait and see the actual outcome? Instead of flooding the forum with thousands useless posts like it's already 2021 and it all already happened? Just a thought.

Why would they? They need something to bash Microsoft, so that their . lord Sony looks good.

 

[Heinrich]

It is wasteful IMHO, I prefer that difference to go back to the studio and help keep the lights running, be reinvested in tech, lower the price of the game, or deliver a better game.

I understand pros and cons of PC’s and I get why companies would live the iPhone model or similar... it makes them money. I like PC’s and gaming there too, I like the appeal of open platforms, but I also like the generations based model of fixed closed gaming consoles (with BC). Not sure why the PC gamers feel the need to change the console one into worse PC’s than any PC (closed boxes and walled gardens into one).

I can understand why a company that makes PC’s and PC OS’s would love if PC became a nice walled garden like the iPhone and they were the gatekeepers, but I fail to see how my interests align to them.

This is just for the first year of the console. It was always like that. Devkits and SDKs Need to be Finalized etc. This has been EVERY GEN that we can see the full potential later on. Not on the launch!

 

[Vasto]

Because Sony said that their games will all be exclusive to PS5, that’s why crossgen games are now a BAD than

Where did they say this?

 

[Panajev2001a]

This is just for the first year of the console. It was always like that. Devkits and SDKs Need to be Finalized etc. This has been EVERY GEN that we can see the full potential later on. Not on the launch!

* t=t0 Exclusive matters, look at all the studios!!! Monster XSX!
* t=t1 Exclusives? It is not pro consumers, cross generation games are the only pro consumer thing to do... they never hold anything back and are the best option for anyone involved.
* t=t2 This is only for a year then bam exclusives
* t=t3 Exclusive matters, look at all the studios!!! Monster XSX!

...

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

* t=t0 Exclusive matters, look at all the studios!!! Monster XSX!
* t=t1 Exclusives? It is not pro consumers, cross generation games are the only pro consumer thing to do... they never hold anything back and are the best option for anyone involved.
* t=t2 This is only for a year then bam exclusives
* t=t3 Exclusive matters, look at all the studios!!! Monster XSX!

...

 

[Bernkastel]

Because Sony said that their games will all be exclusive to PS5, that’s why crossgen games are now a BAD than

By the time those games taking advantage of PS5(not Godfall) come out, Microsoft will have already shifted Xbox Series X console exclusives.

 

[Panajev2001a]

By the time those games taking advantage of PS5(not Godfall) come out, Microsoft will have already shifted Xbox Series X console exclusives.

^
|
|

* t=t0 Exclusive matters, look at all the studios!!! Monster XSX!
* t=t1 Exclusives? It is not pro consumers, cross generation games are the only pro consumer thing to do... they never hold anything back and are the best option for anyone involved.
* t=t2 This is only for a year then bam exclusives
* t=t3 Exclusive matters, look at all the studios!!! Monster XSX!

...

 

[Max_Po]

So games on the more powerful hardware will look better and have a higher frame rate? Who would have thought?

Yea, that's am eye opener. Do you know if they handed out this year's Nobel Prizes?

 

[Geki-D]

* t=t0 Exclusive matters, look at all the studios!!! Monster XSX!
* t=t1 Exclusives? It is not pro consumers, cross generation games are the only pro consumer thing to do... they never hold anything back and are the best option for anyone involved.
* t=t2 This is only for a year then bam exclusives
* t=t3 Exclusive matters, look at all the studios!!! Monster XSX!

...

I don't think I could ever own an Xbox system. I don't think I'd be able to pull off the mental gymnastics needed to own one, also all of that goalpost shifting looks tiring.

I like to just buy a system, sit down and play games on it then talk about them online. Guess I'll stick to playstation for that.

 

[Mass Shift]

So games on the more powerful hardware will look better and have a higher frame rate? Who would have thought?

NO. That's not possible, surely cross gen games mean the end of world as we know it. Because next gen launch titles are ALWAYS the best of the best games we ever get in a new generation.

Knack and Lococycle were masterpieces!!

 

[Vasto]

Cross Gen games for Xbox Series X will work the same way the work for PS5.

 

[Meowzers]

Will devs take full advantage of cross gen third party titles like CoD and Fifa with XSX and PS5 this year?

If they just look slightly better, then no point buying new consoles until a year or two.

 

[Heinrich]

Will devs take full advantage of cross gen third party titles like CoD and Fifa with XSX and PS5 this year?

did they ever do this at a start of a generation?

 

[Jason28]

FH2 had 2 versions made by 2 different studios. Xbox SeX 1st party games will be bad-looking, shitty xbone games with bells and whistles, so Papa Phil is going to make sucky sucky again.

 

[quest]

Will devs take full advantage of cross gen third party titles like CoD and Fifa with XSX and PS5 this year?

If they just look slightly better, then no point buying new consoles until a year or two.

Considering how many here beg for a locked 60fps that should be system seller. All those cross generation games should be an easy 4k 60fps.

 

[Vawn]

Basically they have to make a game for the extremely underpowered base Xbox One, then increase a few things for the Xbox SeX port that people will probably be paying $600 or more for. Gee... sign me up.

 

[JMarcell]

a lot of games ALREADY runs like crap on base consoles (Control, for instance), just wait to see when the 12TF monsters joins the party.

 

[mejin]

Because Sony said that their games will all be exclusive to PS5, that’s why crossgen games are now a BAD than

the Phil Spencer Effect right here.

 

[Norse]

Two games, two different studios (sounds cheap), sold separately (aka “Want both? Pay for it twice!)... to get a “step up” on the much more powerful console.

That's how it's always been in the past. How many ps3 versions of games worked on a PS4? Ffs