dgrdsv
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What's base clock has to do with DX12 not providing the same speed up for 290 as for 390?
Hitman (2016) PC performance thread
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What's base clock has to do with DX12 not providing the same speed up for 290 as for 390?
unknownhero
Member
are there any reshades for this game available yet?
Thanks, the game is actually playable now after doing this. I was getting what felt like microstutter on my 980 Ti before.
Im a Manatee
Member
Wanted to chime in with my experiences....
4790k stock
16GB DDR3 1866
GTX 970
1080p, Ultra detail, High Shadow Maps, Medium Shadow Resolution
I installed the game for the first time yesterday (3/19), but performance is much improved over the beta during fullscreen on DX11. 50 FPS during the ship tutorial and 60 during the cuba training mission. Benchmark averages 54 and only drops below 60 during the dark crowd scene and when they show the helicopter(?).
DX12 takes a nosedive and is around 46 fps, but stutters like crazy.
Smoothness and FPS are way better than the beta!
4790k stock
16GB DDR3 1866
GTX 970
1080p, Ultra detail, High Shadow Maps, Medium Shadow Resolution
I installed the game for the first time yesterday (3/19), but performance is much improved over the beta during fullscreen on DX11. 50 FPS during the ship tutorial and 60 during the cuba training mission. Benchmark averages 54 and only drops below 60 during the dark crowd scene and when they show the helicopter(?).
DX12 takes a nosedive and is around 46 fps, but stutters like crazy.
Smoothness and FPS are way better than the beta!
Searched for this thread just to see if anyone else is experiencing stutter like I am even with a decent frame rate.
Guess so
I wish you could turn off auto-save b/c that's the only "stutter" I've seen so far with a 980 Ti / i7 3770. I found that DX12 locks my game up while loading the level. DZ11 doesn't, but stutters more.
GhostTrick
Banned
Oh. I thought you meant why it was faster in the same mode. Then I guess it could be related to more VRAM, as DX12 might use it in a better way ?
terencecah
Member
This game is very buggy for me on 980ti SLI, on both DX11 and DX12. I can't get past the second tutorial mission without locking up
Going to see if the April update fixes anything.
Going to see if the April update fixes anything.
tearsintherain
Member
The cheap $30 steam keys on eBay are so tempting! Gotta stay strong and wait for a finished game though
Is the patch out next week or later on PC?
Is the patch out next week or later on PC?
dgrdsv
Member
Hitman (2016) review: DirectX 12-game getest met 22 GPU's
Another benchmark. The inconsistency of DX11 vs DX12 results across all tests and cards is really puzzling.
Another benchmark. The inconsistency of DX11 vs DX12 results across all tests and cards is really puzzling.
Adry9
Member
So only the latest AMD cards benefited from it. I was hoping DX12 would make my 7950 last a bit longer but I guess it won't be happening :/
What's your GPU temp when running this? Because I got 80c, all maxed out, vsync on with option 1, but I can't get 60 FPS, I'm between 45-54 fps. It's the only game I have this temp, in example with Witcher 3 maxed out but capped on 30 FPS I get 65c, so is the game very unoptimized?
Bumping this since we got a chance to talk to IO Interactive's Lead Programmer (Jonas Meyer) specifically about the PC version of the game.
He mentioned that they did a straight port on DirectX12 and that generally to leverage DX12's true potential (such as certain hardware features) we'll have to wait for games to ditch DX11 entirely. Might be thread worthy, but I can't create new threads.
You can find the full interview here http://wccftech.com/hitman-lead-dev-dx12-gains-time-ditching-dx11/if you're interested.
He mentioned that they did a straight port on DirectX12 and that generally to leverage DX12's true potential (such as certain hardware features) we'll have to wait for games to ditch DX11 entirely. Might be thread worthy, but I can't create new threads.
You can find the full interview here http://wccftech.com/hitman-lead-dev-dx12-gains-time-ditching-dx11/if you're interested.
Dictator93
Member
Very nice interview, thanks for the update
Very nice interview, thanks for the update
No problem! Hopefully, with the incredibly high Windows 10 adoption, developers will be ditching DX11 fairly soon. We won't have significant performance boosts until then.
dgrdsv
Member
How will we measure performance boosts to DX11 if DX11 will be ditched? -)
I don't think that we'll see much performance increases. This has always been my stance here: these APIs are nice because they give more power to the devs who want to have it and allow them to hand tune stuff which were a black box for them previously but otherwise we're GPU limited in both DX11/OGL in most games these days and thus neither DX12 nor VK will bring much performance increase. The best figures we're seeing at the moment (some +10%) is the best we should expect really.
Locuza
Member
For the beginning, but not in the upcoming years.
With ExecuteIndirect, Multiengine, Resource Binding Tier 2-3 and the explicit nature of many things like resource transitions, a really well craftet DX12 engine should do a lot better than DX11.
Also coming soon is Shader-Model 6, cross-lane operations and so on.
Like always many years will pass till we be there but the future looks very bright.
dgrdsv
Member
You are talking about h/w advances as well as s/w though and the biggest performance gains there will be from new h/w, not from DX12.
holygeesus
Banned
Does anyone know if the AMD reward codes for the full experience are region locked?
dgrdsv
Member
That's right, everything above FL11_1 is new h/w basically, not just DX12 by itself. It's also worth noting that all this h/w (with the exception of async compute although that's debatable) is available in DX11.3 as well as DX12. So technically you can still use DX11 and get the same performance improvements from new h/w features as you could in DX12.
The Janitor
Member
I only tried DX11 but performance seems way worse, feels like I lost about 15 fps.
Same for me, now I have permanent tearing and framerate seems worse. DX 11 too.
It's been discovered that the patch is causing the game to override your graphical settings with its own recommended ones even when you attempt to change them back. This is causing some people to gain performance because it's using settings lower than they were before the patch, and some to lose performance because it's applying more demanding ones.
Also means the gamma settings are reverted to default for those who had adjusted them. Game's way too bright for me now.
Also means the gamma settings are reverted to default for those who had adjusted them. Game's way too bright for me now.
holygeesus
Banned
I actually thought the beta was more stable. Finally bought this yesterday and now 'exclusive fullscreen' is completely broken for me - game runs with tears and is choppy as hell. Normal fullscreen seems fine though, albeit it works my graphics card like no other (75c after 15 minutes of the tutorial)
Also I can't even see an option to choose between DX11 and 12 in-game.
Also I can't even see an option to choose between DX11 and 12 in-game.
icecold1983
Member
Game seems like a real pile on pc
Same problem, here. This is the only game I reach 80c on with my 970, not even Witcher 3 or MGSV reach that temperature (around 65c on Witcher 3, 60c for MGSV). I solved by creating a profile with Firestorm setting the temp limit to 65c, but fan speed is always at 70% when gaming. I hope they manage to optimize the game, because it's really a mess from this point of view.
You can choose DX 12 from the launcher, but if you use a Nvidia card, just select DX11, Nvidia still didn't update their drivers to support DX12.
Also I read DX12 uses all cores of your CPU, when I noticed DX11 version barely use the CPU, focusing on GPU only.
holygeesus
Banned
Interesting. I will have a play with the launcher, but the benchmarks I've seen suggest my card is one of the few that benefits from DX12 (980ti)
I also think there is some kind of bug with vsync and menus as my temperatures ramp up immediately, almost as if the game is rendering insane frame rates when in the menus, rather than capping at 60. Very odd.
Eh, until Nvidia will provide official DX12 support, any GPU will really "support" DX12. Not like they do with 11, at least.
Nvidia drivers support DX12 and so does their hardware.
I'm talking about this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/3j1916/get_your_popcorn_ready_nv_gpus_do_not_support/
It should be "unlocked" by driver's side, I remember also seeing a twitt about.
Async compute is merely one part of DX12, it does not mean Nvidia cards don't support DX12.
AMD cards don't support CR for example.
Your previous statement was absurd. No cards "fully" support DX12 at the moment.
Dictator93
Member
Ok, I'm not really into tech things, so you are probably right XD
I still can't explain why DX12 are so poor on Nvidia cards compared to AMD ones.
Nvidia have better DX11 drivers and their hardware is not optimized for because it's not the common denominator.
Catching up with years of driver optimization is also not easy at all.
dgrdsv
Member
Because it's not. You're judging NV's DX12 performance based on just a couple of AMD sponsored DX12 games.
NeoRaider
Member
I really want to play it, but not in the current state tbh. I hope they release that patch fix before the weekend.
It's really sad to see how they fucked up PC version, because it looks like game is great if we put technical problems aside.
EDIT: http://steamcommunity.com/games/236870/announcements/detail/847051226700800971
That was fast.
It's really sad to see how they fucked up PC version, because it looks like game is great if we put technical problems aside.
EDIT: http://steamcommunity.com/games/236870/announcements/detail/847051226700800971
That was fast.
NeoRaider
Member
Sorry for double post, but does anyone else have problem with wrong Hz in this game?
When i set it 1080p which is my native resolution and exclusive fullscreen i get wrong Hz. I guess it's 30 instead of 60. And there is no option to change Hz in the game.
It looks as it should in fullscreen, but in exclusive fullscreen i get wrong Hz on my TV and everything is yellow and laggy.
When i set it 1080p which is my native resolution and exclusive fullscreen i get wrong Hz. I guess it's 30 instead of 60. And there is no option to change Hz in the game.
It looks as it should in fullscreen, but in exclusive fullscreen i get wrong Hz on my TV and everything is yellow and laggy.
holygeesus
Banned
Performance is massively improved for me on DX11. Not tried 12 yet but can't see the point as I'm not dropping any frames now. Happy so far.
When did you last try the game? Got it at release and was disappointed.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Yeah my monitor has a 50Hz and a 60Hz mode and for some reason Hitman defaults to 50Hz and won't change lol.
NeoRaider
Member
We are not the only ones sadly. A lot of ppl on Steam have this issue. And it wasn't fixed.
I guess it's too hard to add option to change Hz in graphics settings... :/
holygeesus
Banned
I played it before and after the latest patch today. Before I was dropping frames in Paris and my 980ti was reaching 79c - after the patch, no frames dropped and my 980ti is only hitting 70c so they've fixed it well enough for me. DX11, full screen all settings maxed out.
viveks86
Member
This is great news. I haven't touched the game yet. Been waiting for all the patches to make this playable at 4k.
holygeesus
Banned
Should point out I'm only playing at 1080p!
