Horizon: Zero Dawn confirmed for PC

This was always inevitable, otherwise it's like leaving money on the table; going forward it should be done like this:

1. Release on console
2. Release 12 / 18 or so months later on PC
+ but add in new content, refine gameplay etc...
+ and add in completely new separate gameplay modes/features/mechanics (the dev team might be toying with) that can be fully realised in any sequel.
 
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LittleBigGamer said:
It started when someone said that 30vs60 is overrated in general. And I agreed. I never said the bold.
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What does "the average gamer don't care as much as we believe they do" even mean? Do you believe they dont care about higher frame rates because they buy more console games? Do all multiplats run at 30fps on consoles? Did they run at 30fps all this time? Are the number of multiplats that run at 60fps so low? Are 60fps multiplats so rare?
 
Imagine being angry at sony for releasing the game on pc :messenger_tears_of_joy:
even giant bombcast had a listener email about it.

i swear those are the same people that where smashing xbox one. With that whole" no reason to get one when your 1500 dollar pc can play the games" crowd.
 
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Tomeru said:
What does "the average gamer don't care as much as we believe they do" even mean? Do you believe they dont care about higher frame rates because they buy more console games? Do all multiplats run at 30fps on consoles? Did they run at 30fps all this time? Are the number of multiplats that run at 60fps so low? Are 60fps multiplats so rare?
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They probably care but not in the extent to push the industry into a minimum of 60fps. They did it for VR because it was necessary.
They could do it also for flat games, but it's not that necessary for the average consumer. That's why I agreed with the guy said it's overrated. Here in our bubble, we care more but we are the minority.

Most games are 30fps. This generation is better than previous gens though and maybe the next even better.

PS. I have ignored the doctor van...something guy I order to stop seeing the nonsense alerts from him(he can't bring any argument at all. Anything. A punctuation. Only emoticons. Pass).

Edit. Docta...something is the next. but he at least has an opinion( If he is not the same guy). I can't play with kids anymore.
 
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LittleBigGamer said:
They probably care but not in the extent to push the industry into a minimum of 60fps. They did it for VR because it was necessary.
They could do it also for flat games, but it's not that necessary for the average consumer. That's why I agreed with the guy said it's overrated. Here in our bubble, we care more but we are the minority.

Most games are 30fps. This generation is better than previous gens though and maybe the next even better.

PS. I have ignored the doctor van...something guy I order to stop seeing the nonsense alerts from him(he can't bring any argument at all. Anything. A punctuation. Only emoticons. Pass).

Edit. Docta...something is the next. but he at least has an opinion( If he is not the same guy). I can't play with kids anymore.
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You can ignore me if you'd like. I won't be upset, and I definitely will not destroy my room because of it. I just truly want to understand this whole 30 vs 60fps notion. Would you disregard a game that is locked at 60fps? Would it be too fast for the average console gamer? How will people adjust if all games become 60fps? I'm genuinely interested, as this is a new concept to me. I personally won't play a recent game, if it's locked at 30fps. 60fps is barely passable for me, depending on the game of course.
 
exclusives only really matter at the outset of the generation to hype up the console sales,after that its actually a good move to bring horizon and other games to pc as its new sales and they old anyway so they don't sell new consoles
 
DoctaThompson said:
You can ignore me if you'd like. I won't be upset, and I definitely will not destroy my room because of it. I just truly want to understand this whole 30 vs 60fps notion. Would you disregard a game that is locked at 60fps? Would it be too fast for the average console gamer? How will people adjust if all games become 60fps? I'm genuinely interested, as this is a new concept to me. I personally won't play a recent game, if it's locked at 30fps. 60fps is barely passable for me, depending on the game of course.
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I don't have any reason to ignore you if you just posting something, your opinion etc.

You trying to make me answer about something I never said or implied. I will not do it. Everything is in my previous posts.

Regarding the last sentence. I Personally can't lose the best games of each year because they are locked to 30fps, like you can't play them in 30fps. And if I begin to play only 60fps games I will lose them. I don't want to. I am ok with 30fps, but of course I like more 60fps. More good games themselves matter more for me, than improved frame rate performance in the same games I can already have and play .
 
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LittleBigGamer said:
I don't have any reason to ignore you if you just posting something, your opinion etc.

You trying to make me answer about something I never said or implied. I will not do it. Everything is in my previous posts.

Regarding the last sentence. I Personally can't lose the best games of each year because they are locked to 30fps, like you can't play them in 30fps. And if I begin to play only 60fps games I will lose them. I don't want to. I am ok with 30fps, but of course I like more 60fps. More good games themselves matter more for me, than improved frame rate performance in the same games I can already have and play .
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But if consoles could manage to maintain visuals, but run at 60fps, would that not be a good thing? I doubt there is a single person that refuses to play a game that runs over 30fps. Wouldn't this also be a good thing for those with Sony hardware that were displeased by low frame rate, and can now experience the same games with higher resolution, framerate, features, etc?
 
LittleBigGamer said:
They probably care but not in the extent to push the industry into a minimum of 60fps. They did it for VR because it was necessary.
They could do it also for flat games, but it's not that necessary for the average consumer. That's why I agreed with the guy said it's overrated. Here in our bubble, we care more but we are the minority.

Most games are 30fps. This generation is better than previous gens though and maybe the next even better.
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Gamers dont push for 60fps. Technology does. Thats for the hardwarw makers to care.
 
DoctaThompson said:
But if consoles could manage to maintain visuals, but run at 60fps, would that not be a good thing? I doubt there is a single person that refuses to play a game that runs over 30fps. Wouldn't this also be a good thing for those with Sony hardware that were displeased by low frame rate, and can now experience the same games with higher resolution, framerate, features, etc?
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Indeed for the first. Next gen will have more 60fps options for consoles.
The second opens a new discussion. Maybe some other time. I agree and disagree.

Tomeru said:
Gamers dont push for 60fps. Technology does. Thats for the hardwarw makers to care.
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No. You can have 60fps on a psone technology. And Actually you had. Its definitely a human decision, not a hardware one.
If gamers out there want 60fps to the extent neogaf does, then every game will be 60fps at least. They care but not that much.
 
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Solid_Rain said:
This was always inevitable, otherwise it's like leaving money on the table; going forward it should be done like this:

1. Release on console
2. Release 12 / 18 or so months later on PC
+ but add in new content, refine gameplay etc...
+ and add in completely new separate gameplay modes/features/mechanics (the dev team might be toying with) that can be fully realised in any sequel.
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2 Release free on your own paid services
3 Release on PC
Not sure if adding additional content is worth it though?
 
LittleBigGamer said:
Indeed for the first. Next gen will have more 60fps options for consoles.
The second opens a new discussion. Maybe some other time. I agree and disagree.


No. You can have 60fps on a psone technology. And Actually you had. Its definitely a human decision, not a hardware one.
If gamers out there want 60fps to the extent neogaf does, then every game will be 60fps at least. They care but not that much.
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You think gamers dont care because the difference between 30 and 60 is neglible?
 
these post about 30 and 60 frame being almost the same thing are killing me 😆

please continue
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LittleBigGamer said:
I have ignored the doctor van...something guy I order to stop seeing the nonsense alerts from him(he can't bring any argument at all. Anything. A punctuation. Only emoticons. Pass).
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Eh? What argument? You have yet to make an actual argument worth typing a reply to; especially when there is nothing to say that others haven't already which is a waste of time and is needless typing for the end result of so-called "dog-piling". Wasting time is not my nature: I see a comment I agree with, I thumbs up rather than spending time to say "I agree." I see something funny/ridiculous/etc, I laugh at it. Somebody says something I think is quite interesting or worth thinking over, I click the brain. Get it?

The only one I pass over is "triggered" as I do not associate with it, and that seems to be some kind of western thing I do not relate to, and it seems to convey some kind of disturbance or anger over what someone wrote on the internet which is a foreign and hard to believe concept for me. As one might say: "Who cares? Close your eyes/look away/scroll on." 🤷‍♀️ "Serious business" this is not. I shall make a sound, or in this case, type something, when I feel there is a post worth replying to as I do not engage in pointless arguments, and you haven't supplied anything I find worth speaking about. That's in addition to, as I mentioned, the fact that others have already refuted/engaged you on those points.

Besides, in regard to the topic at hand, being platform agnostic means I have nothing to defend and everything to enjoy, so these "company/platform defense arguments" especially when bolstered by misinformation, or oddly enough, emotions (very, very strange) serve only to amuse me, and sometimes are even fascinating to wonder at just how deep a person can go to defend that which will not defend them in return. A curious descent into anger, frustration, fear, feelings of rejection, inadequacy, and more......over a video game. Strange indeed!

I do digress though, and there's your 1 response. Just a note on the bold though: 1. Assumptions almost always serve far less than actually knowing, 2. I don't see the point in simply replying with some kind of punctuation mark, but then English is my second language so who knows, and 3. you can't pass when you've already been passed over yourself; a matter which I already explained above.

However, if you really want a punctuation mark though, then have a few: (˵¯̴͒ꇴ¯̴͒˵) another laugh. 4 Paragraphs, and some punctuation! Lucky you! 😸
 
Oh, you have got to be kidding me! First Death Stranding on the PC, and now this! Not to mention an Uncharted movie and The Last of Us HBO show. It's like Sony is trying to expand their consumer base. Are we not enough, Sony!

Honestly, selling an exclusive on the PC years after it was initially released is not going to hurt system sales, but it could make PC gamers fans of a Sony IP. I know a lot of us have a primary gaming system and a secondary one. Sony is just hoping there are some PC gamers out there opened to the idea of making PS5 their secondary gaming destination. Because if you had a blast with the first Horizon game, are you really going to wait years after its PS5 release to play the next one on PC? Either way Sony is making money, and it'll be all the more reason for them to invest more into their crazy talented game developers.
 
Screamer-RSA said:
I don't think you have played anything at 60 FPS, never mind 120 FPS.
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In fact, I don't think you have played anything on console as many console games are 60fps and a couple of them 120 and you don't seem to even know it. So...what are you talking about?

If you see a huge difference in 60vs120 doesn't somehow disprove my point that you are in the minority. Make a poll " the difference 60vs120 is huge? Yes/no. It will be fan.
Even funnier if you do it in a more generic/mainstream forum.

p.s. In fact I had a gaming PC before you even born. I don't want to make it personal. But when kids respond with ad hominem I have to make it personal too. Can't confront stupidity with plain reasoning, unfortunately.
 
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That "meltdown" vid on twitter...it's just a cheap table pushed over and an old ass monitor from goodwill or salvation army. Throw a PS4 Pro through a big screen 4K TV, that would be a legit meltdown.
 
There are some funny videos on YouTube with Fanboys reactions, Twitter, etc. There must have been a huge consumption of salt from Sony fanboys in the past few weeks. I just don't understand why some people are so upset about this coming to pc, and future releases from Sony. Everyone is benefiting from this move. Can't wait to see what else is in store.
 
Solid_Rain said:
+ but add in new content, refine gameplay etc...
+ and add in completely new separate gameplay modes/features/mechanics (the dev team might be toying with) that can be fully realised in any sequel.
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That's not gonna happen, because who's gonna pay for that? AA-AAA titles don't sell well enough on PCs to consider working on additional features/content, not to mention the possible backlash from console users (where most of the profit comes from) is even less worth it in the longer term. Honestly, just getting the games on PC is great enough already, while the ability to run the games at 60/120/144FPS, 1440-2160p, even better graphics, shorter loadings etc. for the same 60$ or so is a no brainer.
 
DoctaThompson said:
My apologizes. I'm guessing you were being serious....


Well I'm not sure what else to say. But I'm interested to see what other games are gonna release on steam from Sony. I'd like to see GOW and TLOU on high settings, and to see what optimization and additions they might add besides the usual uplifts games get.
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He was a confirmed troll when he said that Naughty Dog was so good because artists there could write engine code and claimed his bollocks were first hand knowledge. I'd honestly just ignore, there is nothing to be gained from engaging with a troll. People who are a bit too emotional I'm regards to one platform are still ok, but trolls are just worthless.

I'm going to set an example.
 
DoctaThompson said:
There are some funny videos on YouTube with Fanboys reactions, Twitter, etc. There must have been a huge consumption of salt from Sony fanboys in the past few weeks. I just don't understand why some people are so upset about this coming to pc, and future releases from Sony. Everyone is benefiting from this move. Can't wait to see what else is in store.
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When manchildren beg their parents for a plastic game player, or a guy spends his last $500 on game stuff, the natural thing to do I guess is defend it to the bone as something special. Or else it looks like he wasted his money. And he knows mom and dad won't buy him another console for 5 years and definitely not a good PC to game on, so need to imagine it's the best platform ever.

you'd think coming to PC is great because it gives people options, and most people already have a computer. So for many it kills two birds with one stone just to play it on PC.

people used to buy mp3 players as separate gadgets to go with a cell phone.

then phones got powerful enough with specs and storage to do music and communication and people love it as the file can be played on many devices. Believe it or not there are still dedicated portable music players too.

yet gaming has walled garden supporters
 
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PC GPUs are "dedicated hardware" too. One could argue that high end gaming PCs are probably even more "dedicated" than consoles.
 
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