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How Should Tifa Be Handled In Final Fantasy VII Remake?
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Dynasty8
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This.
Obliterator
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Its becoming almost a trope now in the "gaming community"
Big Tits are bad. Make em flat people! Realism
Reverend Funk
Comfy Penetration
Listen, I like big breasts as much as the next guy.
MidgarBlowedUp
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I'll handle her. I got this guys don't worry. Just leave her to me...alone...in a hotel room..where I can handle her....yeah
Galactic Barret
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What about the fans?
Everyone is being civil, as far as I can see. What is the issue? We can't like her character design because its "sexualized"?
Is it not possible to like her not just because of her design, but everything about her overall? Why are the fans a problem?
hurricanes
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It is comically exaggerated which is a bit different from disproportionate. But yeah they should not and will not be 100% faithful to the original art.
rokkerkory
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just make her badass
GoldandBlue
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Man there's gonna be a new thread about FF7 every day now.
CambriaRising
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No.
FF7 was very campy.
It had its serious moments, but it had it funny moments as well.
I truly believe that just making things cool would solve any possible issue. Or at least what I would consider to be cool.
G-bike Barret is cool as shit, big boobs are fine, but that CG animation is dumb, AC Tifa and G-bike Tifa are cool as shit.
That fanart is amazing, but I can't really think of her as Tifa, looks more like Korra to me. It's probably my favorite, if we're only judging the designs as if they were random character designs, but also the one I'm least likely to associate with Tifa, so I'm not so sure about it.
G-bike Barret is cool as shit, big boobs are fine, but that CG animation is dumb, AC Tifa and G-bike Tifa are cool as shit.
That fanart is amazing, but I can't really think of her as Tifa, looks more like Korra to me. It's probably my favorite, if we're only judging the designs as if they were random character designs, but also the one I'm least likely to associate with Tifa, so I'm not so sure about it.
I'm surprised the mods haven't made it bannable yet with the way I've seen about at least 2 a day. Still, on the topic, I've felt Square Enix has done well enough with Tifa's design over the years to have faith in this.
Terareflection
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Dat' privilege.
Yeah Barrett's is kinda a problem, though I don't have a problem with how he looks in G-bike. As long as he doesn't get white-washed like Advent Children.
That would actually be a grand improvement though. Hope they do that.
I'm not saying all Tifa fans are bad. What I notice is that many Tifa fans focus on her breasts more than her actual character and that is annoying. In the many remake threads, her breasts are constantly brought up.
Oh God. It's an animated picture. It's not trying to be realistic. You putting realistic standards to it is a huge fallacy.
SomeRandomWeirdGuy
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Big boobs is not sexist. Plenty of women are top heavy. I can understand taking issue with presentation of her features, be it by camera angles or outfits, but the boobs themselves are not the issue.
Personally I'd prefer an OG inspired outfit, but it doesn't need to be extremely revealing or anything. I'm not a fan of the AC outfit but it's not because of decreased assets, it's just boring.
Personally I'd prefer an OG inspired outfit, but it doesn't need to be extremely revealing or anything. I'm not a fan of the AC outfit but it's not because of decreased assets, it's just boring.
Cloud Strife
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Hah, no.
OfficerZap
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Eh, the last render looked workable.
Some women are a bigger on top than others. That shouldn't be shameful or seen as "bad".
I think people do focus on the obvious physical characteristics of this game, though, and not the underlying (and overt) homophobia and racism, which is much more important than the size of someone's breasts.
Should those aspects also be modified or updated to fit current audiences and current sensibilities?
I hate to be absolutist, but I think if you're going to complain about one aspect, you have to complain about them all. The tone, attitudes, and designs of the time were "wrong", or they weren't.
Now, whether or not we should update classic works of art in any medium to reflect contemporary values is wider discussion (aka: the "Tom Sawyer" argument). I don't believe we should, but you can slightly refine without modifying.
Some women are a bigger on top than others. That shouldn't be shameful or seen as "bad".
I think people do focus on the obvious physical characteristics of this game, though, and not the underlying (and overt) homophobia and racism, which is much more important than the size of someone's breasts.
Should those aspects also be modified or updated to fit current audiences and current sensibilities?
I hate to be absolutist, but I think if you're going to complain about one aspect, you have to complain about them all. The tone, attitudes, and designs of the time were "wrong", or they weren't.
Now, whether or not we should update classic works of art in any medium to reflect contemporary values is wider discussion (aka: the "Tom Sawyer" argument). I don't believe we should, but you can slightly refine without modifying.
hurricanes
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Galactic Barret
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Can we PLEASE leave Barret alone?
They could just make it opaque. Really not that hard.
GoldandBlue
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I know the Caith Sith one was locked because they said there did not need to be a thread for every FF7 remake question. Maybe an OT needs to be made for discussion of FF7 development.
keep that to yourself.
Mango The Magician
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Find a balance between AC and FFVII and make a design based on that, otherwise she's fine, I mean seriously her boob size shouldn't offend people that's beyond trival.
The Silver
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All they have to do is stick to one simple standard, make her boobs bigger than all the other girls. She just needs to have big boobs in relative terms and no one will complain. She won't have massive bazookas and she'll still be noticeably bigger to all the people who care.
Trust me. I'm a PhD
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Plus one for Advent Children look, but I will play regardless. The shots we do have of Barret and Cloud look to be fairly realistic, so I think they will lean that way anyway
SolidSnakex
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People have discussed this very subject in the FF7 remake thread. Basically every character or story beat has been discussed in there and the possibility of what may be changed in the remake.
Why are you prejudice against big tits? Somehow big tits (within the context of gaming) have become associated with wrongness. It's the only medium where I see these complaints.
I find it hilarious that people think women in games should only look a certain way as if every female has to be homogenized to look a certain way. We're getting to the point where females in games are starting to get their own "bald space marine" look. If she didn't have huge tits in the original game I'd like her to not have huge tit's in the new game. But seeing as how her tits were huge then I'd like to see her tits huge again. It wasn't a "CG problem." Aerith's tits weren't as huge in the game so that shows it was a design choice not a "CG problem."
Btw, in the grand scheme of things... Do I really care? No. But, just for the sake of argument.
I find it hilarious that people think women in games should only look a certain way as if every female has to be homogenized to look a certain way. We're getting to the point where females in games are starting to get their own "bald space marine" look. If she didn't have huge tits in the original game I'd like her to not have huge tit's in the new game. But seeing as how her tits were huge then I'd like to see her tits huge again. It wasn't a "CG problem." Aerith's tits weren't as huge in the game so that shows it was a design choice not a "CG problem."
Btw, in the grand scheme of things... Do I really care? No. But, just for the sake of argument.
I'm always amazed by the AC design. I don't think I've ever seen a developer actually tone down sexuality with a redesign of anything; it's almost always the other way around (especially in recent years).
I don't think they need to give "remake Tifa" her AC design, but I wouldn't complain.
I don't think they need to give "remake Tifa" her AC design, but I wouldn't complain.
Strangelove77
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Out of all the things to discuss about this remake, this is what we're going with...ok.
I hope they don't listen to fans and do whatever they want. Most people won't care anyways so there really is no reason to address this.
And honestly - big breasts are something a lot of normal AND fictional people have. Just deal with it.
I hope they don't listen to fans and do whatever they want. Most people won't care anyways so there really is no reason to address this.
And honestly - big breasts are something a lot of normal AND fictional people have. Just deal with it.
Rats Off To Ya
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That's exactly his point. The old design was stylized, the new one won't be. So Tifa's giant breasts aren't necessarily something that has to be translated one-to-one.
Yes, Barrett has big muscles. But I guarantee you he won't have these exact proportions in the remake:
His muscles are as cartoonishly exaggerated as Tifa's breasts. I expect both to be toned down in the product we get.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Not that this has anything to do with whether it's right or wrong or ok or not, but it's probably because in video games, the characters are being designed from the ground up, where in most mediums, they're either being portrayed by an actor or are up to the reader's imagination to a certain degree.
I guess artwork is the exception, but once you cross into the world of respected art that's comparable to movies or books or games in terms of how socially prolific it is... this becomes less of an issue, I would imagine.
Your campy is my stupid. It's ridiculous that one of the best martial artists in the world gets involved in a slap fight. You know what would have been funny? Scarlet slapping Tifa and the Tifa knocking her out with a dolphin blow.
BreezyLimbo
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Yes, Barrett has big muscles. But I guarantee you he won't have these exact proportions in the remake:
His muscles are as cartoonishly exaggerated as Tifa's breasts. I expect both to be toned down in the product we get.
For the longest time, before I found out he had a machine gun hand, I thought he had just an extremely miss-happen robot hand. With short fingers.
Galactic Barret
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Its brought up both ways.
It sucks because its all anyone first brings up. Not how freakishly strong, fast and agile she is, or how she manages to survive high level Mako exposure, which most Soldier couldn't handle, without harmful side effects. No, its always her breasts. Most times, like OP sparked in the announcement thread, about augmentation. Its ridiculous.
If you grew up with this series, you are an adult now. Her breasts have been there for decades. Why is it still a problem? When can we talk about Tifa punching and shaking an entire building without focusing on her breasts? The only people sexualizing her are those saying they are a problem when they never, ever have been.
And she didn't get a reduction in AC, she is wearing compression gear.
Basically. I'm sure they know what they are doing.
I'm sure there are plenty of things we could discuss about the game other than Tifa's mammory glands.
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