Only problem I have with rec room is teleportation in the games. Unless you have a really big room, it doesnt translate well at all imo.
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HTC Vive Launch Thread -- Computer, activate holodeck
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Only problem I have with rec room is teleportation in the games. Unless you have a really big room, it doesnt translate well at all imo.
I did my first VR demonstration in a long time today. An old friend I see only 2 or 3 times a year these days visited -- he might be the most successful, in monetary terms, person I know, and usually our talks center on politics or finance. But today, a lot of it was just about VR, its technology and its potential.
I still think that even at this point, a major hurdle to VR adoption beyond the staples of cost, or convenience, or content is still simply the lack of opportunity to try state-of-the-art VR.
I still think that even at this point, a major hurdle to VR adoption beyond the staples of cost, or convenience, or content is still simply the lack of opportunity to try state-of-the-art VR.
I think it's a lot to do with the feeling of actually representing yourself rather than anonymous inhibition removed avatar.
I had someone give me a hand job(without asking) and they conviently held a bucket about my groin area to prevent any mess. Some people might have been offended but I found it pretty funny.
Zalusithix
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PSVR is as good as it's going to get for relatively easy opportunities to demo modern VR for some time. The Vive is going to be relegated for many years to a select few specialty stores that can afford the floor space and spare the staffing to properly demo it.
IMO, the only hope in the near term for somewhat widespread access to roomscale experiences is in purpose built businesses like the Vive VR "cafes" that HTC is rolling out in China. A modern revival of the arcade. I have no idea how viable that sort of business will end up being though. Lots of stuff to consider like content, staffing, hygiene, etc.
VR arcades aren't viable because the headsets get gross instantly. Can't have all those people sharing a machine without staff to clean it out each time.
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HTC is introducing Viveport arcade where it makes licensing of use of those games easier. There are more than 120 apps for viveport arcade, and business owners can offer all these apps while paying the developers depend on how long the apps are used for the business. This allows the developers to have an alternate income source in addition to selling the game in a traditional way.
Staffing and hygiene usually goes hand in hand, so i dont see any problem here.
China, Taiwan, Japan and other Asia countries is adopting VR in a very huge way now. It is certainly not just a few stores. Bandai Namco just concluded their limited period Vr Zone arcade experience in Japan too, and they have announced they will be returning for more.
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Well yeah, these places will have staff. That's something to be factored into the cost.
Valve has site licenses too, so there's multiple options there. Staffing and hygiene go hand in hand to some extent, but hygiene is an added cost. Cleaning supplies, frequent replacement of interfaces, etc add up.
What I'm saying though is that just because you can do something, it doesn't mean you'll actually be profitable doing it. Asia is one of the last bastions of the arcade. If there was any place on earth that VR arcades have a chance of doing well, it's there. That doesn't mean it'll work out in Europe or the Americas.
ArtHands
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HTC is recommending disposable paper cover. I am not sure what other cleaning supplies are needed. There are already successful cases of VR cafes in Asia, and with Bandai Namco bringing back its limited time period vr arcade initiative, its hard to say that there isn't any potential for profit in regard with this. Though I believe HTC is going to just be slowly dipping their toes in the US and Europe.
From what I know, they have already initiatives to collaborate with content creators to create contents that are more suitable for VR cafes/arcades use than private home use.
Dirt Rally has to be undoubtedly one of the best VR games available. It's the closest thing to a AAA game experience you can get in VR atm.
It was already great without VR, but in VR it's on another level. It also doesnt have as much of an aliasing problem as Project: Cars does, so it helps immensely when gauging turns.
It was already great without VR, but in VR it's on another level. It also doesnt have as much of an aliasing problem as Project: Cars does, so it helps immensely when gauging turns.
Prat
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But you need to play it with ReVive, dont you? Does this limit the potential of the game? I mean, would it be better technically speaking if the game had native support for Vive? I have been very close to buy it, but this bugs me a little.
Wowfunhappy
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ReVive does have a performance impact, but it's relatively minor. I understand the "it bugs me" part, but realize there are lots of games and software out there that could be more optimized given unlimited time and resources—if you only buy games that are perfect, you're limiting yourself a ton.
I've said this before, but the current VR content library is too small for us to be limiting ourselves to these sorts of things. ReVive works great, there's no reason not to make use of it.
The new Revive patch eliminates most of the performance issues that plagued the game before. pre-patch the game was unplayable to me(I have a 1080 and an i5-6600K) no matter the settings. Now post-patch and with the new Steam VR beta branch with ATW, I play with everything on ultra and the game is silky smooth. If you dont want ATW, you can put everything on ultra and turn down the shader option and you'll get a constant 90FPS
Get the new Revive patch. With it, you dont use that method to launch the game anymore, just launch it through steam.
So anyone tried the Soulkeeper Alpha yet? Not digging the movement, and not digging menu's and text being locked to the HMD, but it does look good, and I really like the handmovement to get spells to cast (reminds me of casters in EarthDawn having to "weave" their spells).
Job SimulatorI caved and bought one, as I got an 8% discount (every little helps). Now to trawl through this thread for game recommendations
Zalusithix
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After messing around in Audioshield, I finally know what some of the misses are. With the kite shields, the edge of the long side towards the center doesn't trigger as a hit until it intersects with the center of the orb. Anything less doesn't count as a collision and the orb will phase through the shield. The top of the shield doesn't exhibit this sort of behavior. So either the collision handling of the shield needs to be changed, or the model itself altered to reflect the way it behaves since you can't visually trust it. I think there's other collision issues beyond that, but at least that one is easily reproducible.
So yeah, knowing the dev's attentiveness to the game, perhaps that'll be fixed sometime in 2017. =P
So yeah, knowing the dev's attentiveness to the game, perhaps that'll be fixed sometime in 2017. =P
Why do I actually have to like this game?
High Fidelity now has a Steam page. It seems to be basically Second Life VR, which I always expected to be the ultimate form of human expression back when Second Life was in beta and I was young.
Now I'm not quite so enthused, but still curious.
Now I'm not quite so enthused, but still curious.
Accounting.
GlamFM
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here is a video of the new soulkeeper alpha!
https://youtu.be/jOvtP0kq3d8
https://youtu.be/jOvtP0kq3d8
can't speak to a release timeline, so these are just generally highly recommended by me:
Onward, Accounting, Art of Fight, Duckpocalypse, Project Cars Pagani Edition, H3VR, Ghost Town Mine Cart, Carnival Games, Pool Nation, Vivecraft, The Lab, Waltz of the Wizard, Big Screen, Retro Arcade Neon, Solus Project, House of the Dying Sun, Alt Space, Destinations, Portal Stories, Holoball, Holopoiny, Found, Eleven: Table Tennis, Keep Talking, Nobody Explodes, Nvidia Fun house, Elite Dangerous, and finally the Revive injector tool (let's you play nearly all Oculus games).
Yes, but use high quality compliant ones
GlamFM
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Thanks! Never heard of most of these games - will check them out.
bloodydrake
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The Golf Club and Zaccaria Pinball are two of the best existing games that have made the move to VR..
GlamFM
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Thanks!
Dirt Rally via Revive, Onward, Subnautica, and Climbey
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I've been noticing one of my controllers is subtly not tracking correctly. It doesn't really affect gameplay (I'm the only one who seems to notice out of my friends who use it), but there's a slight shakiness to it. It's really noticeable when I place both controllers on the floor. One is sitting there rock solid while the other is jittery.
Any ideas what it could be? Is one of my controllers busted?
Any ideas what it could be? Is one of my controllers busted?
Is the firmware up to date on everything?
Veritigo_X
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I haven't checked recently, but I updated everything when I got it 2 weeks ago.
I'll double check that when I get home from work.
That reminds me, I meant to start up a spoiler thread for this so we can actually talk about it.
ACCOUNTING spoiler thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=223370595
So I'm moving to a new place that'll actually have enough room for a Vive. Since I haven't looked at them in awhile, is there any reason I should hold off? I'm pretty set on the Vive above all the other headsets, I just need to know if I should wait because of price drop/new version/whatever.
The latest news is out of the Steam Dev Days, and mostly concerning cost reduction in some of the key components (lighthouses and sensors). So some future price reduction is possible, but no idea about the timeframe (Valve time and all).
Melon Husk
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I'd reckon an anniversary 1.5 update. Makes sense for HTC to cut costs on their manufacturing process as quickly as they can. Reduced complexity will make the headset slightly lighter.
Zalusithix
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I've read a few things at this point about HTC insinuating that they'll be showing something at CES 2017. Probably end up being a Vive 1.5 with the new lighthouses, tracker chips and ergonomics changes. Basically a cost reduction and refinement model. Of course announcement and availability are two different things.
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Interesting, I have to say though that it looks kind of strange seeing all these action/shooting games and you as the player are mostly glued to one spot. I know why they do it but I still wish there would be some kind of movement that makes it look less static.
Well, when it comes to movement in a VR action game I think Raw Data is one of the best at encouraging it (due to level and skill design). See e.g. here.
But I do think that type of gameplay is a bit less accessible.
The Vive itself -- as in the HMD -- doesn't need any more space than any other VR device.
What determines space requirements are the games. Those are grouped into "sitting", "standing" and "room-scale" experiences.
For sitting, as the name implies, you just need space to sit.
For standing, you need space to stand in place and extend your arms in every direction.
For room-scale, space requirements vary.
To give you a rough idea of how this plays out in terms of games, currently these are the numbers on Steam for Vive games:
- 543 can be played either seated or standing
- 94 require room scale
That seems to be quite representative of my personal experience. Most games want you to play standing with 360° tracking, but only a smaller portion actually requires room-scale.
yes but i see some games that required room scale experience and i would really like to experience that kind of thing...the question is if i can make space in the middle of the sitting room (put back couch and play in between from the couch and the television) or do u think its not possible...maybe in a 2 x 2 area
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