DOT DASH DOT
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Bundle code up for grabs still, for people waiting for codes and have Vives etc, just pass yours on when you get it.
First reply gets it.
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HTC Vive Launch Thread -- Computer, activate holodeck
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loganclaws
Plane Escape Torment
Hello! Yay first reply!
DOT DASH DOT
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PM me your email mate.
fixed.
unless us PS4 owners get(have?) Flight sticks.
just kidding, I don't give a fuuuuk... I'll be ready to take some PC gamers out.
Yeah I don't really want to lie about it. It's better they know there's an issue with glasses scratching these things so it can be fixed in future revisions
Haint
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Oh! Didn't know they released the Sisters demo this week!
@Durante
Apparently the demo can't be downloaded even though there is a store page? Seems this steam link works though
Does forcing an install with a special link work for any of the other unreleased demos, like the Fruit Ninja knockoff, Alien surgeon simulator, etc...?
That's bold of them to knock the design of the Vive controller. I guess they're saying that because it doesn't have an analog stick? That's really, really silly.
Zalusithix
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Well, they're right. They're not designed well for stick based artificial locomotion. I'm pretty sure that was intentional though. Valve is quite aware that analog sticks are better for movement compared to a touchpad - hence the existence of a stick on the Steam controller. Valve doesn't believe, however, that stick based movement in VR is ideal, so they didn't pack in an analog stick. For everything else you'd use the stick for, the touchpad is better.
I mean, they could have actually tested it and see that the default setting was the worst one. Even the sensitivity of the touchpad was way too high for movement. Plus what they adding now in the patch it's like basic user interface that was missing.
Edit: and maybe I didn't get far enough in the game because it made me sick as hell, but why would be strafing still the recommended setting? Just because it's faster?
GuitarAtomik
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US. East coast.
To be fair, that's not the first time I've heard from a VR dev that touchpads weren't great for movement.
They're right in that their analog stick based movement doesn't work well without an analog stick but that's lame of them to say the controllers weren't well design for locomotion. Many, including myself, have no interest in it or literally can not handle that kind of movement in VR. That's why so many developers are happily experimenting with new ways that are both comfortable and immersive.
And personally, I don't think every traditional game genre NEEDS to have a place in VR. I will always want both traditional games and VR games.
It disappeared because your bank took it off your statement after a certain amount of hours without receiving a receipt from Digital River. 72 in my case. Nothing to worry about, it will go through again when it ships (or shortly after).
Charles Alan Ratliff
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No. Kansas. Still Pending as of right now.
Excellent, thanks!
I wasn't panicking yet but its good to have some confirmation of this.
Dreams-Visions
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I guess Windlands devs started feeling the burn of those reviews and refunds.
Good luck with that. Fuck Windlands.
Good luck with that. Fuck Windlands.
Zalusithix
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The whole situation probably comes down to a combination of two things.
- It's easier to blame the device for being lacking than it is to blame yourself for poor implementation. This can be subconscious even.
- It's easy to be blinded by your own views. It works for you, so it must work for everybody else right? It's easy to lose track as a dev that what seems normal or intuitive to you after hundreds of hours testing, might not be so much for people with no prior experience.
I'm not defending analog stick movement in VR in the least. Just pointing out that they're technically correct. It's not great for what they're trying to do. That's an entirely different issue from whether what they're trying to do is a good idea in the first place.
lol, way to bite the hand that feeds you.
Should I get a refund on that game? I haven't tried it because I'm a bit afraid to with all these bad reviews.
metareferential
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It's already biting them back in the ass.
I played windlands on the DK2, and it go me nauseous, even though I endured worst scenarios (like playing HL2 with a DK1).
It's a great concept that doesn't work well with their current setup.
DOT DASH DOT
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I couldn't even get it to work, would just slide around at the title screen, tripping me out.
Spiral Insanity
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Windlands was my first refund on Steam, which I processed via the headset within minutes. Just awful controls, only VR experience that made me feel terrible.
My point is that you have a game that has a main concept that is in theory great for Vive, practically playing as Spiderman. That's your USP. Why to be cocky about a thing that it's not even the main thing of your game? The update might actually be useful, why poison it with some comments that shouldn't actually be in the release notes of an update? In the worst case scenario this even could be a game that could apply the favourite locomotion method of the most famous poster in the VR thread, serversurfer. Anything but the locomotion by touching the trackpad set on hypersensitivity.
Compsiox
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Surprised they said this. Pretty disappointing.
Zalusithix
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You're looking at the situation rationally from an outside perspective, and you're not wrong. From a creator's standpoint though, things can look different. You're generally not supposed to get attached to your work to the point where you can't see the positives and negatives of everything, but it still happens to various extents. Combine that with the fact that small devs don't have PR filtering everything, and you can get situations like this.
At least they're working on it, regardless of whatever biases might be present.
Edit: Also, if SS starts
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Whelp. Had a dream I received my Vive last night.
Odd because I haven't been in the VR threads much since I realized j was still a month or more away from receiving either my Rift of my Vive.
But it felt good, then it felt way bad.
Odd because I haven't been in the VR threads much since I realized j was still a month or more away from receiving either my Rift of my Vive.
But it felt good, then it felt way bad.
Got the vive all setup, using a temp mounting solution until my light mounts get here tomorrow. Thankfully everything works great, was freaking out hooking up everything praying nothing was doa.
Only messed around with then lab and budget cuts demo but man this is so much more fun than my dk2.
Only messed around with then lab and budget cuts demo but man this is so much more fun than my dk2.
Guardian Monkey
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Protip: you can use a mouse, the controller controls are borked in VR though
but yeah fun game. I enjoy it.
Guardian Monkey
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LOL I had my DK2 for like a year and used it for like 5 hours I used the vive about the same the first day I got it.
Guardian Monkey
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIfGuPW_mMs
'Project Arena' is a Tron-like VR eSport for Oculus Touch and HTC Vive
When does this come out????
'Project Arena' is a Tron-like VR eSport for Oculus Touch and HTC Vive
When does this come out????
Owlowiscious
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HOW ABOUT YOU ADD AN OPTION TO MOVE THE RESPAWN BUTTON OR ADD CONFIRMATION SO YOU DONT ACCIDENTALLY RESPAWN AFTER A HARD PART RIGHT BEFORE YOU REACH A CHECKPOINT
which I have done at least a dozen times
There's just no way to implement something like that with the way those damn Vive controllers are designed! It can't be done!
metareferential
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Woah, that's huge.
Kudos to them, Budget Cuts is easily the best VR game out there right now. And it's just a demo.
Wow. Exciting. New. Things. Happening!
Dunno. Does anyone have the link though?
Yeah, the controller controls are borked. But I had fund controlling the ship with the HMD. I actually reset the position somewhere mid-height, so I practically flex/stretch my feet to move up/down. This could be a good warming game for the likes of Audioshield, SPT and Hover Junkers.
Wrestlemania
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I think it's going to be a real shame if we're not going to get a lot of VR games using normal methods of movement because the Vive controllers aren't good for it and fears of motion sickness. I've been playing a lot of Technolust and never felt sick from normal analogue movement. It's the turning independent of your head that some games allow which feels weird, and just locking rotation to fixed intercardinal directions helps with that. Teleportation would feel weird in that game and I don't know what other method people would propose for it.
Normal analogue movement is perfectly viable as a way of moving in a first person game, and it's a shame if people have written it off already.
Normal analogue movement is perfectly viable as a way of moving in a first person game, and it's a shame if people have written it off already.
Nobody is forcing developers to use Vive controllers for the analogue movement. Vive users can use controllers too, you know?
And even if they use the Vive controllers, it doesn't need to be as bad as it was in Windlands.
Let's not turn one badly designed control scheme into a rule.
Edit: also, the market will decide in the end. If there are enough people who don't get motion sick, the movement using and analog stick will be still a valid one.
I get extremely sick when moving with an analog controller in first person. I'd say about 3/4 of the people I've shown analog movement in first person games in various HMDs have gotten very sick as well.
Wrestlemania
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But I'd like games that use motion controls and analogue movement. It only needs to be one or the other on Vive because it doesn't have a stick. I really don't like having two trackpads, I think it's limiting.
Have you tried Windlands on Vive controllers? The issue was not that it's using the trackpad, the major issue that it's at a very sensitive setting that makes the acceleration very obvious. I got motion sick in it even without turning.
You can still use it as a D-pad for the people who are sensible to motion sickness. As they actually doing in this patch.
From my experience with the Steam controller I don't think I'd prefer the Vive trackpad for movement over an analog stick.
I think that if you're going to do movement on an analog stick or trackpad or whatever (and I do think there will be an eventual audience for this), your speed should be fixed. A d-pad may even be best, but in my experience an analog stick is similarly fine as long as your movement speed is always fixed. Otherwise you'll obviously get analog stick acceleration (or something even more smooth and lurchy with a track pad, I'd imagine).
You could have a gamepad in the left hand and a Vive remote in the right, I'd imagine. A little extreme just for the stick, though.
I think that if you're going to do movement on an analog stick or trackpad or whatever (and I do think there will be an eventual audience for this), your speed should be fixed. A d-pad may even be best, but in my experience an analog stick is similarly fine as long as your movement speed is always fixed. Otherwise you'll obviously get analog stick acceleration (or something even more smooth and lurchy with a track pad, I'd imagine).
You could have a gamepad in the left hand and a Vive remote in the right, I'd imagine. A little extreme just for the stick, though.
Wrestlemania
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I haven't, it sounds terrible. I've tried to use the trackpad as a stick/pad replacement on my Steam controller plenty though, it's felt terrible in everything I've tried.
People are still figuring things out, guys. It's too early to predict what is going to be the way forward (pun intended).
I'm positive that some form of analog movement will be supported in games. Many genres will suffer otherwise. How they will be supported to minimize chances of motion sickness is the open question.
One thing that's certain is that it cannot simply be bolted on to VR
I'm positive that some form of analog movement will be supported in games. Many genres will suffer otherwise. How they will be supported to minimize chances of motion sickness is the open question.
One thing that's certain is that it cannot simply be bolted on to VR
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