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[Eddie-Griffin]

No, I read it, Eddie.
Did you read the OP? Do you know what we're doing here?

Yeah, did you read the OP? The part where it's talking about NEXT YEAR and we haven't seen any recent build of Forza since the last demo that was still in development, and are still ignoring the thread were the devs said they are far along but part of 2023 will be the polishing phase? You're trying to downplay the looks of something we haven't seen based on an old early demo build.

The OP is literally speculating he doesn't THINK there will be a visually better game than HFW. But, if T10 comes through with their promises (which aren't in your old demo build video as they) then it may be a contender.

While you backtrack and talk about crystal balls and now knowing the future, which isn't what I did i said wait and see, you might want to explain this post form yourself where you did precisely that,

of course it will be perfect in the final... we'll see. They were pretty proud of that reveal (which was custom-made for the showcase using their best assets, it's not like they had the actual game's mainline code running and it had all those camera views of ToD shift and pan-aways to the road textures or the running waterfall off track. They built that project file from the game engine specifically to show off what the game can do, and IMO, it did some amazing things and some not-so-amazing things.

Like I said we should wait for a new demo or until the game is out before believing that the Forza Reboot won't meet the thread title based on an old demo video.

 

[Justin9mm]

Obviously when comparing high quality visuals and graphics between the handful of top looking AAA games, opinion becomes really subjective because some people may prefer a certain design, theme, landscape, environment etc.

HFW looks impressive and is beautiful but so are others just as much, I don't think you can say unequivocally that it is visually the best or will be within the next year.

 

[CamHostage]

Yeah, did you read the OP? The part where it's talking about NEXT YEAR...

Like I said we should wait for a new demo or until the game is out before believing that the Forza Reboot won't meet the thread title based on an old demo video.

Got it.

No talking about Forza, because it is not yet done.

No talking about any game we're talking about, because they are not yet done.

Or... we could just continue having fun talking here about our guesses of what we think the future holds?

Yes, and I guess that the Forza reboot will likely meet their promise of Native 4k HDR 60fps with a powerful graphics engine with real-time raytracing during gameplay. So my guess is bad somehow, but your guess is good based off an old demo that you're using to predict the game won't meet the thread title, while at the same time saying we don't have a crystal ball.

Nope! I guess you want to argue some more....

Look, it's simple:

• You believe, based on specs, that next year Forza will be visually better than H:FW. Maybe, maybe not.
• I believe, based on seeing what they have produced so far, that despite the great features in the tech, Forza might have difficulty being visually better than H:FW. Maybe, maybe not.
• Neither of us has played Forza. The game is not done yet. Neither of us knows any facts about the final product, because we are many months away from there being a final product.
• Only one of us is angry here. (I don't know why it is not me, since I'm the one being attacked for sharing my opinion, but it is what it is.)
• Most of the people in this thread don't care all that much about this, and have their own opinions about how Forza looked and what it indicated of where the project will end up. Better to hear more from them than you or me, because our positions are pretty well stated by now...

Edit: Lol guy edited his last post replying to this post, instead making a new response thinking he could give me the slip.

Notice how he says "maybe maybe not" after saying that it didn't have a chance the first time an6d claiming no one had crystal balls.

Nope, I knew you would be back. You seem to me the type of person who would not let this go. I just noticed, nobody else cared that you and I were arguing, so I backed off from bumping it again...

And as far as me saying Forza freaking Motorsport didn't have a chance the first time of being a top-tier game visually, you can go back and read or re-read the thread I posted about it. In summary: "...That first video demo, some things about it really didn't click visually... I hope the gameplay demo was just a bad example of their tracks and the rest holds up to scrutiny better. " (Technically, that was actually their second video, but I wouldn't count the 2020 reveal teaser. I'm only talking about the 2022 Forza demo showcase from 5 months ago.) I'm not saying it won't release and knock everybody on their ass, but the WIP engine they showed this June showed some surprisingly underwhelming aspects for a showcase presentation (as well as visible compromises to deliver 4K/60 with realtime raytracing) and I'm a little leery about whether or not they can iron those issues out.

Zero consistency

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

Got it.

No talking about Forza, because it is not yet done.

Thread title "I don't THINK any game coming out within the next year"

CamHostage "It won't be Forza, and it had things wrong with it. But despite me saying that I'll claim people can't see the future and we don't have a crystal ball, but will still say FM doesn't qualify based on an old build demo"

our guesses of what we think the future holds?

Yes, and I guess that the Forza reboot will likely meet their promise of Native 4k HDR 60fps with a powerful graphics engine with real-time raytracing during gameplay. So my guess is bad somehow, but your guess is good based off an old demo that you're using to predict the game won't meet the thread title, while at the same time saying we don't have a crystal ball.

Zero consistency

Edit: Lol guy edited his last post replying to this post, instead making a new response thinking he could give me the slip.

Notice how he says "maybe maybe not" after saying that it didn't have a chance the first time an6d claiming no one had crystal balls.

Like I said, let's wait and see with a more recent demo as we get closure to launch.

 

[Musilla]

 

[Crayon]

^^ It's true the game looks nuts. My inner graphics whore ends up stoping and gawking even after hours and hours.

 

[remember_spinal]

Crazy how the game awards did nothing to change my stance on this.

Spider-man 2 is the last hope i guess

 

[Romulus]

I honestly don't see any games looking way better than HZD all generation. We just don't get those graphical leads anymore, and nothing is going to pull that far ahead of HZD. Current gen is very much last gen. That will continue all generation with very small baby steps.

 

[Arsic]

Horizon hasn't blown me away like this has.

 

[remember_spinal]

I honestly don't see any games looking way better than HZD all generation. We just don't get those graphical leads anymore, and nothing is going to pull that far ahead of HZD. Current gen is very much last gen. That will continue all generation with very small baby steps.

We'll see how GTA 6 and the next Naughty Dog turn out.

Death Stranding 2 and Hellblade 2 also

 

[JLB]

remember_spinal telling you why [INSERT ANY PS TITLE] will be better than anything.
Of course my little bird!

 

[OsirisBlack]

I was surprised to see Plague's Tale not even come close to it seeing as how they are targeting 1440p 30 fps vs native 4k 30 fps HFW is targeting. They had a 2x or more GPU power available and they produced a game that looks worse in pretty much every way. Very odd.

Starfield looks amazing in some spots, but overall HFW will look better.

Forspoken, FF7-2 and FF16 are being phoned in by Square Enix. No idea why. I doubt FF7-2 makes it next year anyway, but they didnt even bother changing the character models. The biggest upgrade in HFW are the character models.

That leaves Insomniac and while Ratchet looks good, it doesnt look as good as i expect next gen games to look. Its open world sections look last gen compared to HFW which is an actual last gen game. Insomniac needs to man the fuck up and actually take advantage of the next gen lottery they've won. Something GG and SSM were not afforded. If they produce another Ratchet quality native 4k game wasting away the PS5's full potential than Im done with them. Target 1440p like UE5 and deliver excellent visuals, physics, destruction and NPC and traffic simulations.

Not exactly sure I'd call that phoned in.

On topic I think the Decima engine is best in class until proven otherwise. So it will either be The expansion burning shores or DS2 in my opinion. Especially if they are truly fully current gen.

 

[SlimySnake]

Not exactly sure I'd call that phoned in.

On topic I think the Decima engine is best in class until proven otherwise. So it will either be The expansion burning shores or DS2 in my opinion. Especially if they are truly fully current gen.

those screenshots look fairly last gen. roughly on par with FFXV.

 

[Syphon Filter]

I am guessing you never saw PC games, several look better right now let alone within the next year.

 

[OsirisBlack]

those screenshots look fairly last gen. roughly on par with FFXV.

I've played through and beaten FFXV with the HQ textures maxed out on PC. Game looks phenomenal. Find me one single screenshot that looks better than the top image.

The creature image looks very much like the creature from FFXV but that's not a bad thing as they were amazing. The background detail and foliage variety shits on FFXV. I don't know about the cities as the city detail in XV is absolutely ridiculous.

I play through most games no hud or map, this is definitely a no hud game. Best no hud games ever, RDR 2 maxed out pc and Elden ring.

 

[Crayon]

I am guessing you never saw PC games, several look better right now let alone within the next year.

You mean hzd? Naaahhhh.

 

[ProtoByte]

Crazy how the game awards did nothing to change my stance on this.

Spider-man 2 is the last hope i guess

I was expecting much more of a graphical leap from Jedi Survivor. There's a clear improvement, but it doesn't look that crazy.

Suicide Squad looks good at 60fps but it isn't on Horizon levels at the same framerate. At least not to me.

 

[remember_spinal]

those screenshots look fairly last gen. roughly on par with FFXV.

Naw lol

 

[Romulus]

I was expecting much more of a graphical leap from Jedi Survivor. There's a clear improvement, but it doesn't look that crazy.

Suicide Squad looks good at 60fps but it isn't on Horizon levels at the same framerate. At least not to me.

Game still looks last gen to me.

 

[dano1]

Sure there will… HFW on PC.

I believe he said within a year….

 

[remember_spinal]

 

[yurinka]

Spider-Man 2. These folks made Ratchet, and in Spider-Man 2 they'll apply what they leant there, what they also got from the Spider-Man PC ports, plus they will have more time and resources than the ones they had for Ratchet. Plus pretty Guerrilla and SSM will have shared some stuff they did for HFW and GoWR.

 

[Jormatar]

I'm sure Todd Howard will deliver.

 

[Mung]

I am guessing you never saw PC games, several look better right now let alone within the next year.

Not at all.

 

[March Climber]

I am guessing you never saw PC games, several look better right now let alone within the next year.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

I am guessing you never saw PC games, several look better right now let alone within the next year.

Name even one?

 

[Hobbygaming]

I was expecting much more of a graphical leap from Jedi Survivor. There's a clear improvement, but it doesn't look that crazy.

Suicide Squad looks good at 60fps but it isn't on Horizon levels at the same framerate. At least not to me.

Same. I thought Jedi Survivor was gonna look bonkers. It looks like they started development on last gen then they figured they needed a little more grunt

 

[Hobbygaming]

I'm sure Todd Howard will deliver.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Spider-man 2 will look unbelievable

 

[M1987]

I am guessing you never saw PC games, several look better right now let alone within the next year.

I doubt it.I get a game on console will look better on a pc,that's why I just bought one,but there's no game out there that looks as good as Forbidden West

 

[The Cockatrice]

I am guessing you never saw PC games, several look better right now let alone within the next year.

PC Gamer here, nothing surpasses Horizon. Once it releases on PC, it will remain king for quite some time.

 

[Warablo]

I'll take Red Dead or Witcher environments over Horizon.

 

[Mr Wonderstuff]

I think Horizon has pushed the envelope this gen.

 

[brian0057]

I would rather play those other games.
But good for Horizon, I guess.

 

[Ansphn]

Not even Spiderman 2?

 

[sncvsrtoip]

Hellbalde 2 and Spiderman 2 should looks better, at least I hope so

 

[SpokkX]

I agree. Decima is an amazing engine - to get this amazing geometry, lightning and overall detail running at 60fps with barely any loading is just next level. Too bad the game was really quite generic and a bit boring

Really excited that Kojima gets to use this tech for DS2 however! Sony should share the tech with Santa Monica too so we dont have to have constant loading-cracks to shimmy and squeeze through (Ragnarok was a WAY better game no counting the tech)

 

[Represent.]

Horizon DLC next year will run circles around everything else as well.

Guerillas only competition is a Naughty Dog, and their next game is a f2p MP game.

 

[GenericUser]

That is a great opinion to have OP, thanks for sharing it with us.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Nothing has beaten ori 2 at 120hz for me yet.

 

[samoilaaa]

 

[Dirk Benedict]

This is a highly unscrupulous exception to the rule.

Also, TLOUP1 comes out on PC, in 2023. Already beaten, imo.

 

[OsirisBlack]

Not even Spiderman 2?

One of my pics from spider man 1 PS5 it's a possibility.

 

[TheGodfather07]

Wtf? Does it actually look like that in game? I can't see any game looking better for the next 2 years.

 

[Musilla]

Wtf? Does it actually look like that in game? I can't see any game looking better for the next 2 years.

Yes, that is pure gameplay.

 

[3liteDragon]

Wtf? Does it actually look like that in game? I can't see any game looking better for the next 2 years.

That's all gameplay.

 

[Crayon]

Wtf? Does it actually look like that in game? I can't see any game looking better for the next 2 years.

It does. That's why people get so salty about it.

 

[remember_spinal]

 

[Zane Zaminski]

I'm sure Todd Howard will deliver.

16x the detail,at least !!!

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Wtf? Does it actually look like that in game? I can't see any game looking better for the next 2 years.

Base PS4, in fact

Spoiler

I'm kidding. Or maybe not. The game looks seriously great even on a base PS4 tho.