I enjoyed Batman v Superman more than Civil War, who is with me?
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Glass Rebel
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No, they were trying to kill him from the very beginning. The only reason they didn't shoot him was because Warmachine intervened.
Say you care about motivation and logic but get everything you base your argument on wrong brehs.
Cabbagehead
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That's the thing with you're example you can make a strong argument for why TDKR is a better film or at least a more engaging comic book movie. An still love The Avengers on pure enjoyment alone with great character moments and set piece's.
Either way both ate great movies, in this case BVS is not a great movie let alone a decent one. It's literally a mindless comic book flick that's high on its own farts.
All you're saying here is that you didn't like Cap's motivations for trying to save his friend and disagreeing with registration.
Lex was a joy to watch? How? By acting like the Joker and saying some random nonsense about devils and angels? Can you tell me why he wanted to get at Superman?
liliththepale
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Hmm, okay. I'll acquiesce that then. It adds a pinch of credence where previously I thought there was none.
Yes!
He has an inherent distrust for aliens. It's not that complicated.
I legit love Green Lantern, but I thought BvS was awful.
I never said I agreed or disagreed with Cap's reasoning for choosing what he does in Civil War.
I'm on Team Iron Man btw.
Cabbagehead
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McBradders
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Totally with you, but as Zack Snyder movies go its undoubtedly his best and I can kinda forgive the lack of depth compared to the original - remakes should be their own thing, I don't need to see the same movie twice.
Based on what?Yes!
He has an inherent distrust for aliens. It's not that complicated.
And I didn't say it was either.
benjipwns
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You can argue that it's about trust.
Cap's only been with The Avengers for how long? And just was in the middle of SHIELD being exposed as a pit of HYDRA. AND Tony's creating Ultron. (Barton was part of all that, saw Wanda's brother get killed as a result, etc.)
Bucky is his best and only friend from his old life, someone he thought he let die.
Yeah, the lack of depth was completely made up by the action, like I said, it was a good ride. And yes, DotD was without a doubt Snyder's best work. Maybe due to James Gunn writing it, I dunno.
Cabbagehead
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Funny enough if he has such a hate for Aliens. Then why in the hell was he working for an alien in the delete scene. Or why would he create a alien to rampage through the city, just to kill superman and danger more people in the process.
Lex Jr is not very smart.
All I know is that the first 25min or so (9/11 metropolis, New Batman intro, Superman saviour montage and Lex senate court scene) in BvS is better than any superhero film. Oscar winning material. Even better than Dark Knight. Just the second to third half transition drops massively from then on unfortunately.
Cabbagehead
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Oscar winning material? I can't anymore like wat.
You mean the first half in where you could shuffle most scenes around and you'd still get BvS?
Divided We Fall.
You mean the part that seemed like it was edited by rolling dice? In which no scene built on the previous one or set up the next one? Those first 25 minutes? (Really the first hour in total.)
BvS fans confuse the hell out of me.
The first 20-30 minutes were great, but hardly the best minutes in a superhero-movie, comicbookmovie. Nor is it oscarwinning material.
"JACK! GET OUT OF THE BUILDING!"
"Thanks boss, we were planning on working here untill either the giant spaceship would fire it's laserbeam of death on our building or the superpowered aliens fighting through the city would kill us."
Really? While the action was good, I hate how they're trying to invoke 9-11 imagery yet again.
The spaceship crashing into the drill thing was totally framed like the plane crashing into a building. It was uncomfortable to watch.
Cabbagehead
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Right? "9/11 metropolis" was nonsensical as hell. Every single bite of it was dumb. They didn't even handle the scene with any real human reactions, everyone it's just waiting for their queue to react.
benjipwns
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I felt similar about TDKR since someone mentioned it.
They both feel like two films smashed together haphazardly, that were then cut down, but weren't cut down enough for the theatrical cut to make it work. And since everything is now intertwined you probably can't untangle it enough to make a longer cut fix it.
Though that's TBD in BvS's case. I imagine the R cut is going to be closer to what Snyder envisioned but over three hours is way too long to release.
A lot like he ran into with Watchmen really.
It's the most serious part of the film. The first 30min was very grounded and asked very important philosophical questions about nature of superheroes. I thought is was so well done. If they had kept with that tone all the way they would have been incredible. Unfortunately it all goes to shit with the third act and just throw everything at Doomsday slugfest.
liliththepale
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Well the terraforming machines and battle over Metropolis for starters.
But why does it matter? Xenophobia is a very common trait and even over half of the people interviewed on the news were against Superman too. Lex isn't alone in distrusting Superman, just singularly capable of doing something about it.
I think they said five years? I know for sure they said it's been eight years since Tony first put on the suit and Cap wasn't too long after that.
I get what you're saying. I didn't feel like Cap used that as motivation in the movie. Maybe we just interpreted things differently.
A lot of the things you are saying makes me think you didn't even see the movie. They clearly said it's been 8 years since Tony announced himself as Iron Man.
True Savior
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I haven't seen Civil War, but BVS quality is more or less aligned with the general output of Marvel (outside of Iron Man 1 and Guardians), so I don't suppose that would be very much a surprise.
The first minutes have cockroach Bartman, Lex hamming it up, Affleck frowns, Cavill splendorous wooden deliveries.. it sets the tone for the rest of the clownery.
The first minutes have cockroach Bartman, Lex hamming it up, Affleck frowns, Cavill splendorous wooden deliveries.. it sets the tone for the rest of the clownery.
benjipwns
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I think Marvel's at the point where I just assume past films into the new ones. You can't do that with Snyder yet, and so BvS undersells the motivations AND has no past stories to build off of. Unless I assume comic motivations, etc. And I don't really want to do that, even if it does patch up things like Lex's motivations.
BodiesWithoutOrgans
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No batman v superman is a ok movie
Civil war was amazing
Civil war was amazing
McBradders
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Oh fuck, James Gunn wrote it? I had no idea. Explains a lot.
Christ no, Affleck was alright but I didn't enjoy how casually he killed people nor how sadistic he was.
The whole film being shot at night or with these darkened instagram filters during the few daytime scenes makes everything look so dull and boring.
I would honestly rewatch Batman & Robin rather than BvS because at least I'd be assured of some entertainment.
The whole film being shot at night or with these darkened instagram filters during the few daytime scenes makes everything look so dull and boring.
I would honestly rewatch Batman & Robin rather than BvS because at least I'd be assured of some entertainment.
civil war didn't drag me through a boring plot and beat me over the head with sophomoric symbolism. civil war actually encouraged sympathy for the characters instead of loathing. civil war didn't resolve the central conflict with a paper-thin plot development (
). civil war dealt with grown-up themes without forced maturity or crushing cynicism. civil war's climax was thrilling instead of a chore. the cgi and art direction in civil war was better.
maybe you should watch the movie so you can, i don't know, have an informed opinion?
martha
maybe you should watch the movie so you can, i don't know, have an informed opinion?
liliththepale
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You'll have to forgive me as I'm too tired to tell if you're joking right now, since what you're saying they clearly said is also something I said I know they said.
Cabbagehead
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The set up, the delivery....truly master class Wetwired...truly.I'm a DC guy, I think BvS wasn't great but it wasn't THAT bad that it deserved 28% on rotten tomatoes, more like 4 or 5 out of 10. But did I enjoy it more than Civil War?...
CaviarMeths
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BvS's rating is 4 or 5 out of 10 on both RT and Metacritic.
RT: 4.9/10
MC: 4.4/10
The 28% is the percentage of critics who gave BvS a recommendation. 28% felt that it was worth paying for a ticket to see it in a theater.
Cabbagehead
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ITT: People put out opinions and are surprised to get differing responses in a discussion thread.
I had a bad night, sorry. I misread, you indeed said 8 years.
LiquidSolid
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Both were messes IMO and didn't deserve their RT scores (BvS too low, CW too high). It's been a pretty disappointing last month or so for comic books movies, especially since Winter Soldier is easily my favourite Marvel movie and Cap is my favourite Marvel hero, and I feel like Apocalypse is only going to extend that streak.
That isn't the situation I'm referring to.
benjipwns
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Suicide Squad will save us.
And we'll look back at how laughed at Leto-Joker like we did Ledger-Joker.
lol
I mean there is opinions and then there is calling Zack Snyder oscar-worthy.
I disagree. BvS has some of the most striking cinematography out there for a CBM. I think we can all agree that at least this is something it beats Civil War at.
Glass Rebel
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You probably shouldn't watch Civil War.
Cabbagehead
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