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[PsychBat!]

Well the terraforming machines and battle over Metropolis for starters.

But why does it matter? Xenophobia is a very common trait and even over half of the people interviewed on the news were against Superman too. Lex isn't alone in distrusting Superman, just singularly capable of doing something about it.

This does not explain why he wants to kill Superman and creating a bio-weapon that could potentially do more harm than the Superman vs Zod fight. Not to mention the fact that he does not explain why he doesn't trust Superman much less why he hates him and much less why he is planning all of this in the first place. There is no scene of Lex showing why he distrusts Superman, none! Zero, zip, nada. There is no reason for his actions at all.

"But why does it matter?" Why are you asking this when you said you cared about motivation? Or did you only care about motivation regarding Cap in Civil War?

 

[benjipwns]

Snyder films are always pretty good looking. But I'm not sure it's any better at that than...well...300, Man of Steel or Watchmen. Or Sucker Punch.

 

[Cabbagehead]

I disagree. BvS has some of the most striking cinematography out there for a CBM. I think we can all agree that at least this is something it beats Civil War at.

We've seen this all before Zack is good at his craft. But visuals in a movie does not make a good film alone. Unless it's a silent film, especially when they're blunt visual language and linger on for to long.

Half these scenes you lose that "awe", once you color correct them and throw out the crap filters. He does this in every film. Its getting tiring and he's becoming a one trick pony.

 

[Henkka]

I disagree. BvS has some of the most striking cinematography out there for a CBM. I think we can all agree that at least this is something it beats Civil War at.

It's bright, flashy and high-contrast. It looks cool, but I wouldn't want Civil War to look like that. It looks mundane and realistic, which helps ground the crazy action imo.

 

[liliththepale]

This does not explain why he wants to kill Superman and creating a bio-weapon that could potentially do more harm than the Superman vs Zod fight. Not to mention the fact that he does not explain why he doesn't trust Superman much less why he hates him and much less why he is planning all of this in the first place. There is no scene of Lex showing why he distrusts Superman, none! Zero, zip, nada. There is no reason for his actions at all.

"But why does it matter?" Why are you asking this when you said you cared about motivation? Or did you only care about motivation regarding Cap in Civil War?

I'm getting the feeling you're arguing with me just to argue. It's okay that we like different things.


Lex doesn't need a lot of motivation to hate Superman because he's never been shown not to. There are plenty of natural reasons to have xenophobia. What you're asking for is the equivalent of asking what the motivation for putting in a female protagonist instead of a male one, or a redhead instead of a blond/brunette is. Why? Because sometimes that's just what people are.

But Captain America is supposed to be a hero. He's supposed to be the person who does what's right no matter the personal cost. Fighting against the Avengers when he was given every chance not to is patently wrong, and it betrays the character that he's built up in the past half dozen movies. That's why he needs motivation where Lex may not.

 

[neorej]

I'm getting the feeling you're arguing with me just to argue. It's okay that we like different things.


Lex doesn't need a lot of motivation to hate Superman because he's never been shown not to. There are plenty of natural reasons to have xenophobia. What you're asking for is the equivalent of asking what the motivation for putting in a female protagonist instead of a male one, or a redhead instead of a blond/brunette is. Why? Because sometimes that's just what people are.

But Captain America is supposed to be a hero. He's supposed to be the person who does what's right no matter the personal cost. Fighting against the Avengers when he was given every chance not to is patently wrong, and it betrays the character that he's built up in the past half dozen movies. That's why he needs motivation where Lex may not.

He has xenophobia, yet he goes out of his way to resurrect an alien? Lex building a power-armor with Kryptonian alloy would make more sense.

 

[Firemind]

Uhm, Lex explicitly says Superman didn't save him from his father's abuse (If there's an all powerful god, he can't be good and if god is good, he can't be all powerful.)

So, daddy issues, basically.

 

[Cabbagehead]

This does not explain why he wants to kill Superman and creating a bio-weapon that could potentially do more harm than the Superman vs Zod fight. Not to mention the fact that he does not explain why he doesn't trust Superman much less why he hates him and much less why he is planning all of this in the first place. There is no scene of Lex showing why he distrusts Superman, none! Zero, zip, nada. There is no reason for his actions at all.

"But why does it matter?" Why are you asking this when you said you cared about motivation? Or did you only care about motivation regarding Cap in Civil War?

Lex's possible motivation were left on the cutting room floor. To push the "He hates aliens, superman bad". Though it conflicts and contradicts with that in the process.

Uhm, Lex explicitly says Superman didn't save him from his father's abuse (If there's an all powerful god, he can't be good and if god is good, he can't be all powerful.)

So, daddy issues, basically.

Paper thin for Lex jr. So basic it's criminal.

 

[Drensch]

I don't like the comparisons, but thematically, and plot wise , in a few ways they are more than similar. And both had trailers that revealed way too much.
I liked both, but I did like BvS better.

I didn't like Peter Parker, Spider-man, was ok, but I really didn't like Peter.
Only at one point did I think anyone one was in danger, and that was cleared up immediately.

I'd say the above post stating that BvS was scrutinized too harshly and Civil War too softly.

 

[Cabbagehead]

I don't like the comparisons, but thematically, and plot wise , in a few ways they are more than similar. And both had trailers that revealed way too much.
I liked both, but I did like BvS better.

I didn't like Peter Parker, Spider-man, was ok, but I really didn't like Peter.
Only at one point did I think anyone one was in danger, and that was cleared up immediately.

I'd say the above post stating that BvS was scrutinized too harshly and Civil War too softly.

Wait you thought some one in BVS was in danger? when you know for a fact that neither batman or superman were going to die. Especially with JL on the horizon.

At the very least the conflict is not over in Civil War and character's were tested.

 

[Henkka]

Uhm, Lex explicitly says Superman didn't save him from his father's abuse (If there's an all powerful god, he can't be good and if god is good, he can't be all powerful.)

So, daddy issues, basically.

So he's concerned that Superman might turn evil, just like Batman? But he has no problem murdering a couple dozen people in the senate... Everyone's a hypocrite in this movie.

 

[Glass Rebel]

But Captain America is supposed to be a hero. He's supposed to be the person who does what's right no matter the personal cost. Fighting against the Avengers when he was given every chance not to is patently wrong, and it betrays the character that he's built up in the past half dozen movies. That's why he needs motivation where Lex may not.

You're showing a crass misunderstanding of either Captain America as a character or Civil War the movie. Both Steve's actions concerning the Accords and Bucky being hunted are completely in-line with his characterization in TWS and AoU. He is willing to meet Tony halfway and sign the Accords after Bucky is caught and Tony assures him that they will add safeguards to the Accords until he finds out about Wanda being held in the Avengers compound against her will.

He has xenophobia, yet he goes out of his way to resurrect an alien? Lex building a power-armor with Kryptonian alloy would make more sense.

The Doomsday stuff becomes dumber the more you think about it. It's beautiful.

 

[benjipwns]

Wait you thought some one in BVS was in danger? when you know for a fact that neither batman or superman were going to dead. Especially with JL on the horizon.

Jimmy Olsen

 

[Calvero]

ITT: Situation is not right, hides in deep cave with pink monster.

lol <3

 

[neorej]

Can someone explain how supes is coming back from the dead while in a coffin and no access to yellow sun power?

Jimmy Olsen

Jimmy's not dead, Zack was just having some fun with him.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Jimmy Olsen

Come on, they were just having fun with that.

 

[Cabbagehead]

Jimmy Olsen

You got me! lol but really.

 

[PsychBat!]

I'm getting the feeling you're arguing with me just to argue.

uuuhhhhhh

You said it, not me.

Lex doesn't need a lot of motivation to hate Superman because he's never been shown not to.

Where? In the comics? This isn't the comics though. This is a movie where we're seeing Lex for the first time.

There are plenty of natural reasons to have xenophobia. What you're asking for is the equivalent of asking what the motivation for putting in a female protagonist instead of a male one, or a redhead instead of a blond/brunette is. Why? Because sometimes that's just what people are.

Why are YOU saying xenophobia as the motivation for Lex's scheme as if it's fact. You have nothing to back it up and are just telling me to take your word for it.

Fighting against the Avengers when he was given every chance not to is patently wrong, and it betrays the character that he's built up in the past half dozen movies.

Ah no it does not. In Winter Soldier, he is readily against the minority report type of bullshit that SHIELD tries to implement early on in the movie. It shows that he has no qualms against fighting the government when the government tries to restrict personal freedom in exchange for security, be it for regular civilians or super heroes.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Can someone explain how supes is coming back from the dead while in a coffin and no access to yellow sun power?

In the comics, he was only mostly dead, and was instead in a kryptonian healing coma, a state of near death where the body slowly repairs that was not worth mentioning in the canon until this time.

They may elect to go for another explanation in the film whenever they get around to resurrecting him.

 

[Cabbagehead]

Can someone explain how supes is coming back from the dead while in a coffin and no access to yellow sun power?

I have no idea really. Maybe the spear missed i guess. I mean i could understand if he was placed in the fortress. But not even that's a factor.

In the comics, he was only mostly dead, and was instead in a kryptonian healing coma, a state of near death where the body slowly repairs that was not worth mentioning in the canon until this time.

They may elect to go for another explanation in the film whenever they get around to resurrecting him.

Always thought that was shoty writing even back then.

 

[benjipwns]

In the comics, he was only mostly dead, and was instead in a kryptonian healing coma, a state of near death where the body slowly repairs that was not worth mentioning in the canon until this time.

They may elect to go for another explanation in the film whenever they get around to resurrecting him.

He was put in a thing in the Fortress that gave him concentrated doses of sunlight too. By the Eradicator IIRC, which is why he subsequently went crazy and thought he was Superman.

 

[- J - D -]

He stores the converted sunlight as sugars/glucose which can then be later released when needed for bodily repair.

Or something.

 

[Alienous]

Bruce should have checked if his forebears were cowboys also. Then he would have had an excuse to make some kryptonite bullets instead of a kryptonite spear.

Oh, and BvS is shit.

 

[Cabbagehead]

Bruce should have checking if his forebears were cowboys also. Then he would have had an excuse to make some kryptonite bullets instead of a kryptonite spear.

Oh, and BvS is shit.

How BVS should have ended. Uh

 

[SoulUnison]

That's the thing with you're example you can make a strong argument for why TDKR is a better film or at least a more engaging comic book movie. An still love The Avengers on pure enjoyment alone with great character moments and set piece's.

Either way both ate great movies, in this case BVS is not a great movie let alone a decent one. It's literally a mindless comic book flick that's high on its own farts.

Literally.

It's literally mindless despite being a movie and not, you know, a sentient being.
And it's literally "high on its own farts."

Sorry, I don't even care about the movie, I just sort of tune out opinions once they resort to needless hyperbole and a lack of what words mean.

 

[BudokaiMR2]

It's just an ongoing joke. For some reason, despite being called forgettable on a daily basis, Thor 2 gets brought up constantly in every BvS thread. Based on what I've seen, it's almost impossible to praise BvS without criticizing Thor 2.

"I loved BvS. Much better than most of the MCU movies like that garbage Thor 2."
Etc.

Props to TheDanger for not invoking the another.gif, but alas, the Thor 2 option was added to the poll anyway. As it is written, so shall it be done.

Wait, I thought Iron Man 3 was the movie that kept popping up in BvS threads?

 

[Cabbagehead]

Literally.

It's literally mindless despite being a movie and not, you know, a sentient being.
And it's literally "high on its own fart."

Okay.

But it was a movie high on its own farts. Hyperbole not included.

 

[benjipwns]

Bruce should have checked if his forebears were cowboys also.

Does it count if he was a cowboy who saved his forebears from another of his forebears?

Of course...he doesn't use guns then either.

Spoiler

/GrantMorrison

 

[Siegcram]

Wait, I thought Iron Man 3 was the movie that kept popping up in BvS threads?

Thor 2 is the true Alpha and Omega of cbm threads. And their polls, specifically.

 

[neorej]

He stores the converted sunlight as sugars/glucose which can then be later released when needed for bodily repair.

Or something.

Solar panels that catch the sunrays and redirect them into the coffin through optic fibers and lenses for extra intensity.

 

[ghostwritingduck]

I've grown up as a DC fan and think the majority of MCU movies are OK, but kind of boring. Civil War was the better film all the way through.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

I've grown up as a DC fan and think the majority of MCU movies are OK, but kind of boring. Civil War was the better film all the way through.

Thats kind of me as well, although I find all the MCU films entertaining if forgettable disgusts and saddens me how much WB is fucking up DC in their scramble to catch up with Marvel.

And lol at OP for obvious tag fishing.

 

[Siegcram]

Literally.

It's literally mindless despite being a movie and not, you know, a sentient being.
And it's literally "high on its own farts."

Sorry, I don't even care about the movie, I just sort of tune out opinions once they resort to needless hyperbole and a lack of what words mean.

Did you miss the memo?
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/22/acc...terally_now_also_means_figuratively_newscred/

 

[jmood88]

We really need to take a stand and stop comparing these two movies. It's not beneficial for anyone.

There's nothing wrong with comparing them but I've never gotten why people need to announce to the world that they have a different opinion. There are more than enough threads for either movie to discuss how you feel about them.

 

[Einchy]

Did you miss the memo?
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/22/acc...terally_now_also_means_figuratively_newscred/

I love when people get their panties in a bunch when people "misuse" the word literally but ignore the fact that can language evolve.

[edit]

Unless they're consistent with their hatred of words evolving and have a mini rant each time they see these words misused, too.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/w...ally-different?utm_term=.njEAxEKQe#.bfK5VnMP4

 

[jon bones]

The gulf between them is massive:

BvS is a heavily flawed movie with 20 minutes of solidly entertaining action in there somewhere.

Civil War has dethroned The Dark Knight and is now the new gold standard for comic book movies.

 

[Cabbagehead]

Did you miss the memo?
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/22/acc...terally_now_also_means_figuratively_newscred/

Had a feeling I saw that some where didn't know it was real.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

You say you don't read comics, but "lost it" when a certain character appeared...I have life long comic book friends who had to told who that character was as they didn't recognise them.
Hmmm

 

[LiquidSolid]

Suicide Squad will save us.

Spoiler

And we'll look back at how laughed at Leto-Joker like we did Ledger-Joker.

Spoiler

lol

I sure hope so. Same goes with Doctor Strange.

He has xenophobia, yet he goes out of his way to resurrect an alien? Lex building a power-armor with Kryptonian alloy would make more sense.

Lex Luthor a hypocrite?! That's totally out of character! BvS has plenty of flaws but I find this criticism a bit of a reach.

Though I thought the Ultimate Edition was meant to reveal that Darkseid was manipulating him via a mother box anyway.

 

[CaviarMeths]

Did you miss the memo?
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/22/acc...terally_now_also_means_figuratively_newscred/

Literally
adv.

1. Really
2. Not really

 

[benjipwns]

Civil War has dethroned The Dark Knight and is now the new gold standard for comic book movies

This doesn't say Batman Returns.

 

[Drensch]

Wait you thought some one in BVS was in danger? when you know for a fact that neither batman or superman were going to die. Especially with JL on the horizon.

At the very least the conflict is not over in Civil War and character's were tested.

I thought Martha had a good chance of going, and they "killed" supes.

I thought Rhodey was dead, but nope all OK. Well Antman, Hawkeye, and Falcon are trapped, nope. Well I guess we'll have to see if Tony and cap's conflict gets resolved, nope "we're all good" letter.

I liked both movies. But there's nothing to go from in civil war. Everybody is OK, out of jail, on good terms.

In BvS I felt like there was more interesting things left unresolved. And tried more, civil war seemed safe and by the numbers, whichi totally understand from Marvel's view. Cap 2 was more risky and interesting to me.

Both movies could have cut scenes, neither was perfect. Civil war had more constant pacing. But I certainly enjoyed BvS more.

 

[black070]

I'm getting the feeling you're arguing with me just to argue. It's okay that we like different things.


Lex doesn't need a lot of motivation to hate Superman because he's never been shown not to. There are plenty of natural reasons to have xenophobia. What you're asking for is the equivalent of asking what the motivation for putting in a female protagonist instead of a male one, or a redhead instead of a blond/brunette is. Why? Because sometimes that's just what people are.

But Captain America is supposed to be a hero. He's supposed to be the person who does what's right no matter the personal cost. Fighting against the Avengers when he was given every chance not to is patently wrong, and it betrays the character that he's built up in the past half dozen movies. That's why he needs motivation where Lex may not.

So what was Lex's motivation to create Doomsday ? Or are we all rightfully acting like that abortion of a third act didn't happen.

Also, it seems you didn't understand the conflict in the movie, nor do you seem to remember Steve's development from the previous movies, which is ironic since your complaint seems to be that the movie betrays his character.

 

[Cabbagehead]

I sure hope so. Same goes with Doctor Strange.



Lex Luthor a hypocrite?! That's totally out of character! BvS has plenty of flaws but I find this criticism a bit of a reach.

Though I thought the Ultimate Edition was meant to reveal that Darkseid was manipulating him via a mother box anyway.

Lex jr being hypothetical is a different matter (He's the son, not the man). Its not even treated in that way. He's just does stuff out of character despite his actions. Plus if we excuse every villain with that scapegoat. Then when is that a character trait or bad writing.


Anyways it was a mistake to get rid of that scene in the movie and they could have gotten of rid of some fluff in return. But like I said it would contradict his presented movie motives. Though they were thin as it was.

 

[Glass Rebel]

I thought Martha had a good chance of going, and they "killed" supes.

I thought Rhodey was dead, but nope all OK. Well Antman, Hawkeye, and Falcon are trapped, nope. Well I guess we'll have to see if Tony and cap's conflict gets resolved, nope "we're all good" letter.

I liked both movies. But there's nothing to go from in civil war. Everybody is OK, out of jail, on good terms.

And everybody knows that, just like in real life, when you manage to escape from jail you're pardoned and your record erased.

 

[neorej]

I sure hope so. Same goes with Doctor Strange.



Lex Luthor a hypocrite?! That's totally out of character! BvS has plenty of flaws but I find this criticism a bit of a reach.

Though I thought the Ultimate Edition was meant to reveal that Darkseid was manipulating him via a mother box anyway.

I don't think he acted out of xenophobia, he acted because he wanted Superman and Batman to face off because reasons. Or maybe because Kent and Wayne didn't seem to get along at the party. Did he know their hero-identities BTW?

 

[jon bones]

Are we really praising Eisinberg's cut-rate Ledger?

 

[benjipwns]

One thing I liked about BvS was when the ship was going all crazy as Lex was making Doomsday or whatever, so what does the media and a whole bunch of other people do? Immediately go stand outside it. Because the last time alien ships did weird shit in Metropolis nothing went wrong.

Also, the media constantly reporting how they don't know what's going on but will continue talking and speculating about events continuously anyway. Most realistic part of the movie.

I don't think he acted out of xenophobia, he acted because he wanted Superman and Batman to face off because reasons. Or maybe because Kent and Wayne didn't seem to get along at the party. Did he know their hero-identities BTW?

Yeah, or at least like he was 99% sure. He knew enough to kidnap Clark's mother. And send all that crap to Wayne.

I like the motivation being that Kent and Wayne ruined his party.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

I liked Batman v Superman but Civil War's on another level.

 

[brandonh83]

Absolutely not. I think things about this movie were hyped on a really fucking stupid level like the airport sequence which for me did not completely deliver on what people made me expect, but from a directing, writing, storytelling standpoint Civil War is better in absolutely every way. Much better film.